5* deconstructor
invincitink fix
overall bomb damage buff (its an explosion a hammer charge should not out damage it)
shadow blast bomb
elemental blast bomb
pierce vortex
pierce and elemental dark retributions

I disagree with the call for symmetry among damage types --- for example, piercing and elemental versions of Dark Retribution. Total symmetry would make the weapons less interesting. Good design often benefits from a mixture of symmetry and asymmetry.

In a perfect world, the asymmetries in the weapons would match the asymmetries in how monsters behave. For example, beasts are not just gremlins who are vulnerable to piercing instead of shadow. They have different AI and clumping behavior. Probably the weapons are already better tuned to the monster behaviors than most players (including me) could achieve.

9* cold snap

Perhaps the complete symmetry between weapons and damage types would be more acceptable if odd types, like shadow nitronome or piercing retribution, were made harder to attain, possibly via event.

You would get both the challenge of dealing with the current asymmetry, and the fun of using the strange hypotheticals.

I would go for an ability that allows bombs to be charged while taking damage.

The bombs do good damage against mobs, and charge fast enough.

Did I just see someone suggesting a 9* cold snap up there?

spam-ish nitronome-like with random damage type each charge, also random radius that affect damage (smaller radius yield more damage).

First off yes, PLEASE remove the shard's invincitinks! So annoying!

Also, bombers really need an elemental DPS bomb. Maybe not like DR or DBB, but definitely something that does better damage than Hazes. And for added fun, give that bomb a 'dark' in it's name, to follow the general trend with DPS bombs lol.

Well just hope there is no new blast bombs cause they suck

No armour suggestions?
i suggest in future recolour, add a demo set version eg. frosty demo helm, hallow demo suit.

Furtermore, more variables in armour (beside the other specialty defence than elemental and normal)
I means, it's just either CTR med per peice, or Damage bonus per peice, make it a bit Funky, like Mad or Merc. Heck even like Kat(but less awful).

Well i hate blast bombs because of the knockback
So maybe have the snarby bomb do elemental or maybe shadow
And that is just as powerful and its teammate friendly:D

Well all the randoms i met spam blast bombs everywhere without caring
So blast bomb suck
You say its good cause you are a bomber youself
And its seems that you have not met recruit spammimg blast bombs
Almond riddle you said a REALLY GOOD BOMBER i repeat a REALLY
GOOD BOMBER that mean you havent yet met the recruit bomber who do
not care about their teammates

Blast Network bombs? I can see it work. Works like a brandish charge, but has a slow charge time and activation, but works in 4 directions. Could be weaker to balance it, or just only pure damage. There could be a + or a X variant.
There could also be Mines, like how all bombs are always planted inside the ground, and there could be a limit to them, before they just poof away.
For armors, I think there should be the Seerus equivalent of a helmet, maybe a Sputterspark pompadour? /shrug

I would like to see a grimalkin bomb
Here is how it should be:
What does it do?
Upon placing it down it would spawn 4 grimalkins that would move away from the bomb (Just like the Blast Network bombs). Then when when one of the grimalkin touches something, whether it be a monster or wall, it then bites and has a low chance of inflicting strong or medium curse. The charge time and walk speed would be similar to vortex bombs, and damage would be mediocre.

How would you get it?
Either from Royal Jelly tokens and it will start out as a metal ball covered in those straps from the Sealed Sword, or you can get it only when the katastrophe event is on, or you can get it from Krogmo with it being a branch of the blast bombs or shard bombs.

maybe make the proto bomb permanent instead of sellable

A list of things I'd like to see in a Bomb update.
-an elemental DPS bomb
-remove invincitinks (applies to tortodrone guns too)
-Irontech and BAB buff (something to make them AT LEAST level with Nitronome)
-Increased status level of Haze Bombs (from minor -> moderate at least)

I have half a mind to write a lovely essay circumscribing the fallacies of modern bombs in comparison to other stuff and therefore how to balance LD (because unbalanced bombs => unbalanced classes), but I'm a busy student who could spend his time elsewhere, not a game that has a radiant drought.

Short* and snappy*, there are some of my points, without the evidence and explanation reasoning for why it would benefit OOO.
- Decrease the range of the radii of the bombs towards a larger radius (make lower star bombs have more range!)
- Improve the damage of all bombs
- Improve all bomb CTR. Anything less than ultra is death in Lockdown
- Add bombs with both large and small "Fuse time"
- Remove the lag whenever you stop charging, its annoying and prevents me from switching to another item.
- Improve movement speed of bombs A LOT,
- Bombs with a slow movement speed should be given extra CTR
- Add "Fuse Time" (FTI) by like one second or something
- !!!Add a new mechanic where during the last 25% to 45% of the "fuse time", a bomb will go off early if an enemy is in it's range. If nothing enters the explosion, then it will go off normally. This helps bombers become more defensive, AND be able to "defend themselves" in LD, especially with bombs with a large Fuse Time. It also helps positional play of bombers
- Oh, and make deconstructor elemental. It should construct specific weapon that does more damage than a chain of mobile Polaris spam
- Why? Bombs need more variation beyond charge, explode. New bombs => new reskins => more promotion ideas and stuff, could promote a "bomber update" => $ for OOO
- !!!Shield cancelling bombs and conserving (some) of the charge!!! When I charge a bomb and need to stop for whatever reason, I want to be able to keep my charge so I don't waste time charging another. (Charge, Shield, Charge some more and place). Of course for balance reasons, the charge will slowly decrease if you don't start charging it for a while. I also could conceive of how one could "share" the charge between bombs and switching bombs, but that might lead to strikers charging bombs and then rushing in to place them (which isn't actually that bad and could potentially be "balanced"). In that case that this is unbalanced, you can't conserve a charge after you switch weapons.

- !!!Give Guardians superarmor (which means you can't interrupt their attack, I'm sick of strikers "outprioritzing" me, "outtanking" me with HP trinkets and stunlocking me [not to mention out-maneuvering me, but that's another debate in itself]).
- Make Guardians' shields heal more than half a heart in T3 LD, like 1.5 hearts per.
- Remove Recon footprints.
- Possibly give striker a MSD low.
- Add bombs! There are SO many possibilities. Like a poison spine cone bomb, or slime explosive blob bombs (see T3 explosive jellies). I can't list all the bomb ideas I want here so: done.
- Etc.

The ones with the !!!'s are the best, most balancing changes that would greatly improve the game's balance (for bombs)

=======================================New Bomb Ideas========================================

1)A throwable bomb - basically grenade, does less damage but can travel short distances.
2)Mines - something like the Deconstructor but only explodes after contact (and possibly vanishes after so many are placed).
3)Explosive sword - there was a sword on monster hunter that made an explosion each time it hit and I thought that would be amusing on here.
4)Rocket Propelled Grenade - some sort of gun that has a really low fire rate but...well...it fires explosives.
5)Homing bomb - a bomb with little legs that moves slowly, but makes hitting enemies just that little bit easier.
6)Sticky bomb - a bomb that latches onto anything that passes, but takes longer to detonate.
7)Chicken bomb - a chicken that randomly runs all over then explodes (probably not an sound idea, but someone found it amusing)
8)Healing vapour dispenser - a bomb that actually does healing instead of hurting.
9)Amplifier - sends out a few shockwaves that may inflict shock status but only in one direction.
10)Cluster bomb - sends out multiple smaller bombs after it's first detonation.
11)instant bomb - doesn't wait for you to let go of it, after it's charged, before it detonates.

***************************************************Holiday Bomb Ideas******************************************************

1)Present mine - like the mine I mentioned before but a festive version.
2)jack in the box bomb - an animated bomb that has a jack-o-lantern pop out just before it explodes.
3)Holy hand grenade - (provided it's not trade marked by the makers of Worms) .
4)Dreidel bomb - a Hebrew spinning top and a festive version of homing bomb I mentioned before.
5)Firework - a small placeable rocket that launches is a set direction after a few seconds.
6)Spinning bomb - a festive version of the Fiery bombs, but it's a Kathryn wheel.
7)Rotten egg - a festive version of the grenade that splats on contact and does poison damage.
8)Groundhog bomb - a normal bomb that explodes multiple times in the same place (Groundhog Day reference)
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That's all I can think of right now, but that's the additional sort of content I want to see from a bomb update other than new skins for bombs that already exist.
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@Almond-Riddle
Great Idea!!!
However it may* not be the best in LD as strikers could just wait for you to detonate your bombs and them come hurling back at you! For balance reasons, I assume that the bombs that you place down are like 3-4* range, which is terrible in LD (in comparison to le guns that stop you)
It could work for some bombs though! (Old shard bombs, new shard bombs, DR, Deconstructor, Bomb Network bombs, etc)
@Archopal
Great Ideas.
You know what could be better? If you could read the threa- I mean:
A Slime Bomb!
Ya know the Explosive Slimes in the Clockworks?
Make this a bomb!
- For the 4-5 star bombs, make the bomb explode into blast jelly (like T3 Explosive Jellies)
- The blast jelly (obviously) explodes during the 3-4 seconds after it is released.
- For the 5* bomb, the blast jelly could latch on to foes like it used to.
My idea incorporates your points 10 and 2
3) Yup, I came to the same conclusion, but that would take away the point of having a "bomber update" if there were no major overhauls. Its not a "swords with a bomb charge" update :P
7) Funny, that was one of my ideas. You play the Legend of Zelda don't you? (I love that game 2 btw).
8) OP, turn it into a stat boosting thing for your allies instead (more damage, spd, etc)

Wow, many of those ideas fall into my own! I guess great minds think alike! :P

@Holy-Nightmare
Ok, then tell me how long a bomb would roll and how it could be a "seriously amazing LD weapon".
The fact is, bombs have poor damage (I use dmg bombs in LD sometimes)
Or don't I'm cool with that. :)
(But constructive criticism aside, cool idea!)

Oh wait here's an idea: A certain bomb(s) could "roll" during the "primed" time (see my post) in the direction that you set it in. That way it could be a much more offensive bomb! I love this idea!

@Thread.
Balance is key. What we need is something that can counter guns (esp. AT valiance/Polaris/Antigua) That alone*** makes bombs unbalanced in PvP

I'm surprised no one mentioned the old Radiant Sun Shards.

Also a bomber shield would be nice. I was talking with some friends about the mechanics of a back shield, like the ones T3 gremlins have. Something that has a DEFENSIVE effect while a bomber is charging their weapon.

Changing the core mechanics of how bombs work.. that is what I'd like to see.

I always thought that bombs would be way better if instead of having to charge them up, they'd instantly be placed in the ground and have a much shorter fuse time (almost instant) , and after that a cooldown starts ticking down to use this bomb again, say 7-8 seconds with slight variations for each bomb type. With this new mechanic, hitting enemies is easier and safer while not having to rely on insane CTR and obnoxious spamming just so you can consider yourself useful, (mainly in LD, monsters are very easy to hit with bombs anyway) making them a bit more party friendly (less effects obstructing your team's vision) and focusing a bit more on their support role rather than a means to mass DPS, you can use your shield or switch to a secondary weapon while waiting for the cooldown to be up again, meaning that shields are not as meaningless to use if you're a pure bomber, the way it works now pure bombers (may they rest in peace) have very little use for their shields, for them it's either fight or run around shielding, can't do both at the same time.

Their damage might have to be buffed up a bit to compensate for an increased downtime (Status increased for hazers) And shard bombs.... well they'd still suck, I have no Idea what could make shard bombs better, if anything this change would make them a bit worser than they are now.

And bombers would now have a bit of a better chance of survival against a gun user or after getting caught off guard by a striker, because the moment you walk into a bomber, you can get your face blasted away by a bomb, get sucked into a vortex or be stopped on your tracks by a freezing mist.

This Idea comes from considering the dangers and flaws of using bombs that require you to be vulnerable 100% of the time while bombing unless you spam your bombs a lot and everywhere, I don't think that bombing was ever supposed to be like this, Bombs should be a very powerful weapon that everything and everyone should run away from in FEAR, not something you have to throw everywhere as much as you can and hope that your enemies get hit 500 times so they can die, it's a frigging BOMB, bombs should be at the very top of the food chain when it comes to damage infliction.

and ofc... NO DAMNED INVINCITINKS

An actual bomb...bomb. One that takes long to prime, but does a heck lot of damage to the surrounding monsters. Last time I checked, being blown up by a grenade, most of the time, results in you dying faster than if you were stabbed by a sword.

@Ode: Here's a really easy way to make Mad Bomber amazing

Reduce the damage boost to low
But increase the CTR to High