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THIS. MEANS. WAAAAAAAAAAAAR!

Last month when ce was around 8,2k and I bought 'some' I actually lowered it down to 7900. It stayed there for like 2 days untill ppl bought it up.

(And than all that cash went into Punch's pocket...)

"My point is to let people know there's no reason to panic to buy energy. Someone's been hoarding for a long time, and is now selling all at once while there's a lack of prolonged demand."

Sure seems like someone is unhappy that the two "cliffs" dont allow the market to be worked for short term profit. It is an interesting idea to try and remove demand from the market by making posts on the forums.

There's an interesting note that I must make:
Not everyone in the energy market is there for profit. Some are there to sell energy because bought it with real money and want to use crowns [for recipes, AH bids, UV rolling]. Some are there to buy energy because they need something from the supply depot [orbs/sparks/pet evos].
Your comments have no impact on these people. They should buy/sell at whatever prices they are willing to trade.

nolidor, you edited out your 4mcr the first time but not the second time.
just saying.

Call me skeptical.

You have a history of you using the market for profit, and consistently making a thread whenever the trading gets tough.

Taken from one of your posts from one of those threads:
"I'm a serious energy market investor with over 40k ce, so please no, "Such a noob" retorts. I also trade elsewhere on the AH and estimate my overall wealth to be around 80k ce. That's a little under 6m cr. My incentive for doing this is to trade energy for games on Steam rather than actually play SK anymore since... well... the game's just boring."

You've been making a thread about once a month about how you can't make money on the energy market.

Please stop.

the buy wall is somewhere in the 80xx, forgot exactly.

You don't get it. The buying is that guy. He's nolifing the market page at all buy prices.

If you've been watching the numbers on both sides, you'd know by now the numbers are often faked to look legit as in look like multiple people with a proper pattern. The guy is trying to be 3sneaky5me thinking no one will notice the slow increments over his existing offers and is hiding his walls by slow streaming them in (uses multiple smaller legit looking ones and slowly slaps another 10 or 20 here and there to make it look like nothing changed).

@Gwen some people do indeed have over 1m CE, and having been one in the past I can tell when the CE price goes as high as 8.4k cr per 100, you must sell out your CE. It's not too hard to make 5% profit over that money in a week or two, and that's 50k CE. Realistically though, another wall will come up before you manage to sell out the 1m CE. Still, you can scrap 5-10k CE when CE goes down again on market speculation, and that's a cool effortless profit.
There are (less) players doing this, but in fact still a few. They don't entirely rule the CE market though, they just know the trends well enough to profit when the time is right.

Quick example to illustrate:
- I generally find ways to sell my crowns for roughly 7950cr per 100ce (average). On good days selling 2m cr (> 25k CE) takes about 2 minutes.
- I usually sell my CE 8300-8400cr per 100, which gets me fee deduced between 8140 and 8240cr (approximate)
- I made a 200-300cr per 100 CE margin. It's marginal on a single transaction. It's still marginal 10 transactions. It's quite marginal on 100 transactions (20-30k cr is roughly 250-350 CE, meh). However on 1000 transactions, we're entering the thousands CE profit. That's pretty good.

Just a quick disclaimer: I don't do that, it's a cheap way to make profit. But some people do, and they're making good money. It's sad to say that there's no possible fix for that, limiting the amount of transactions on a per account basis wouldn't be too hard to overcome (#multipleaccounts), ALTHOUGH I have to say OOO did have a way around people attempting to get more mist with more accounts, and they could consider putting similar restrictions applied to CE market.

Really do NOT underestimate the potential of this market, it's actually the most profitable you could think of right now. A little work on communication may help going towards a fix, if you're feeling convinced by the above, consider sharing it.

Otherwise well, "You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and you believe whatever you want to believe." - Morpheus, 1999

EDIT: for relevance's sake, I need to explain how the OP is both right and wrong on the effects on this method.
First of all, doing this doesn't actually jack up the CE price. Over the week, the CE price follows trends. Quick reference to those trends, quoting our dear SpiralSpy: "energy prices are higher on weekends and rise/fall sharply on Wednesdays (when people expect updates to the game).".
This wee quote lacks proof but feel free to check the accuracy of the statement over the next few weeks, you'll see that it holds up quite well.

What jacks up the price of energy is the lack of supply. Now there are a few things that alter supply:
- less CE is being bought from OOO. This is a consequence for instance of the lack of players, or players losing interest in the game's features and P2P offers. Let me stress out that prices rose very sharply ever since Promotion boxes do not come with CE purchase, and I personally believe this is the work of SEGA pressuring OOO to release more cosmetics and drive a harsher policy on players reward (let us remember that OOO has been bought by SEGA, and although it's been well sugar-coated in the announcements, SEGA needs to push for profit, not player's experience, like OOO did)
- More $ is being spent on promotion boxes and less on energy. I think it's fair to say that there is a pool of real life money being spent at regular intervals by an amount of players. When part of this pool's money is used on boxes rather than energy, the energy supply depletes and the prices go up, it makes a lot of sense (srsly). If you have time to waste and accurate data sitting somewhere, try and look for a correlation between the frequency of box promotions and the price of energy since boxes stopped being shipped with CE purchases.
- Energy being hoarded and never released into the market. As I explained above, in order to make OK profits exploiting the market, you will need a great deal of energy. Here's a couple personal estimates I'm making on the spot to illustrate how CE manipulation doesn't majorly affect the CE price: I think about 3m CE is being hoarded to carry out market manipulations, and I think the total pool amongst players is (roughly) 30m CE, i.e. 10% only is being hoarded, and that's marginal.

Some fun facts/background I wanna throw in because I know stuffs (yeh) and I'd like you to believe so:

Funny thing about market manipulation is from what I've seen, it is actually completely agnostic from the actual CE rate. The spikes in CE prices remain similar throughout the weeks and monthes (and years!), and the usual rule of thumb for market manipulation is to make 200-300cr profit per CE transaction (CE transaction = selling crowns for CE when the offers are low, around Wednesday, then selling the CE for crowns when the CE price is high, during the weekends).

Maybe I used to do it, maybe I didn't. I know players who do or did it, I know players that used to do it and left, because being rich in Spiral Knights is just so boring at times.

Last of all, I've been around for a while. Not on forums especially though, but I do a readthrough some stuffs every now and then, and also try to make some bucks for my wares in Bazaar. I've scored some good sales, I've stocked well up on goods. I'm a big merch, retired but getting back to business after a few monthes being too busy IRL.

tl;dr/conclusions:
- Market manipulation accounts for very little in the rise of energy prices
- Market manipulation can be very profitable
- There are people manipulating the market indeed, they usually use pools ranging .5 to 1.5m CE
- Selling crowns is very fast, selling CE is slightly slower (from personal experience)
- Who really is to blame for CE price rising?

less of a chance of nolifers hogging it.

What about the person who brags on trade chat and in front of AH almost every day that buys 60 pages worth of them?

If someone sets up a price wall for CE sale, most people aren't going to post offers above his price given the time it would require to have said wall deteriorate. You can wait for people to undercut you and put up "fake" undercuts yourself to further incite people to post below your wall, then retract your offers and buy CE at a lower price, which can be used to in turn create bigger walls.

Did I get it, or no? I mean it takes into account the lower pricing/bigger quantity from wall to wall, but I'm really nothing more than a haggler.