Case - Dead or Alive Questionmark
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 12:54
As a veteran with around 2000 hours in this game, i feel responsible to bring up to OOO and SEGA ( who ruined the game itself ) this:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/99900/reviews/?browsefilter=toprated
I gave up on this game around one year ago. Reason? Y'all know. Almost no updates and every 2 weeks a brand new reskined box with useless scrap.
How much you think you can milk the cow, OOO?
Let's be realistic. This game is DEAD as it can be. With only 500-700 players daily, most of them newbs becose 90% of veterans are all gone.
What's up with you devs trying to keep it alive? It's pure non-sense.
The arcade section of the game is...literally the same as it was back in beta, god damn it. MORE THAN 4 YEARS AGO. Do you even realize how much time is that, OOO?
Back then when mist energy was a thing it was a little bit annoying. Being able to play one hour per day was not a good start but i still gave it a shot.
For the first...let's say 2 years it was fun-ish. But then when you decided to disable the ME it was great, endless adventure, so good, right?
No. Why? With one hand you gave us that and with the other you took the fun away by bringing up the forge system.
Tell me OOO, do you know that it takes around one month to level up a 5* gear?
Of course you do. I mean, how could that pass the Q/A. Apparently it did.
The PvP is broken, the PvE is boring, the missions are repetitve as hell, the story is just not there, the sprites are ridiculously underpowered.
How can a lvl 100 dragon, the offensive pet, not be able to kill one enemy, stationary enemy, in end game? HOW?
I lvl'ed all 3 up to 100 becose i had a scrap tone of minerals.
They are useless, but in some way cute. I give you that.
I'm here to remind people to not spend any more money in this steaming pile of scrap.
[No personal attacks please]
I'm here to remind that most of the players are there to get that ugly TF2 hat.
I'm here to remind you that grinding one level that takes 40-50mins all day long is not fun.
I'm here becose of you. I'm your conscience.
I'm here to oblige OOO shut down the game. It deserves respect for what it was a few years ago. Now? It's like a bucket. If you want to have "fun", you pay. Fun meaning not spend one month to lvl a piece of gear.
We are who we are and that define us.
We are A.
We do not.
We do not.
EX.US
--A
Edit: Filtered the language and removed the personal attacks.
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 13:44
#2
Posting in multiple forums is just spam. Don't do that.
With one hand you gave us that and with the other you took the fun away by bringing up the forge system.
Personally I enjoy farming through the arcade to find fire crystals. If it's boring, maybe you should try different levels instead of continuously doing something like DaN. Maybe it's less efficient, but it's more fun and less repetitive.
Tell me OOO, do you know that it takes around one month to level up a 5* gear?
You are not here to become the most powerful. You're here to have fun. If leveling up equipment isn't fun, don't make that your main goal. If there's nothing else to do, and nothing is fun anymore here, just move on to another game.
The PvP is broken, the PvE is boring, the missions are repetitve as hell, the story is just not there, the sprites are ridiculously underpowered.
I can't comment on PvP.
PvE might be less boring if you try mixing up the levels you play. Or, if it's still boring, move on to another game.
I actually agree on the missions, most should be redone to be better and different - Like the new Vanguard missions, those are unique and fun. (Unless you start doing nothing but farming DaN. Then DaN starts to become boring.)
The story... I disagree on that, though it could use improvements in some places.
I also do agree on the sprites.
I'm here to remind you that grinding one level that takes 40-50mins all day long is not fun.
Which is why you shouldn't, and instead play levels other than Vana, DaN, or whatever other thing you're repeating. Play a run in the arcade (on a gate that doesn't include Vana). Do some Vanguard missions you don't do often, maybe BitR or Crimson Chaos.
If you want to have "fun", you pay. Fun meaning not spend one month to lvl a piece of gear.
I'm just repeating the exact same points over and over here. You're NOT here to max all your gear. You're here to have fun. Mix up your levels, even if it gives less Fire Crystals. Maybe change your control layout. No matter what you do, you're still tired and not having any fun? Nobody's forcing you to play! Go find something else to play that you actually still find enjoyment in.
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 14:54
#3
How could you reasonably
How could you reasonably expect any game, ever to supply you through content only over 2000 hours of original play time?
Grow up, bozo.
The game is still excellent for any newcomers; as for veterans, and I can call myself one being that I've played since April 2011 with over 6000 hours of active time, we're not forced to stay; I like to take breaks of a few months every year, and I certainly don't expect OOO to release new content frequently. Those who enjoy the game for its people and mechanics will always find reasons to come back regularly; those who don't have moved on, and that's perfectly fine too. You need to move on.
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 15:33
#4
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"How could you reasonably expect any game, ever to supply you through content only over 2000 hours of original play time?"
It is kinda funny, how pretty much all of the bad reviews have over 4k hrs played. I'd like to note that many internet users express symptoms of grandiose delusions (particularly those related to Truman Syndrome).
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 16:09
#5
Woah man you totally blew my mind! I've been so foolish! You've totally altered my perception of reality and of the world as I know it! I can't believe I've wasted 2500+ hours of my time having fun when actually I wasn't having fun!
In all seriousness, what are you expecting to get out of this thread? OOO has seen hundreds of these threads and their effects have been... minimal. So if you're smart as I think you think you are, then you should of noticed this before. If you meant this to be a wake-up call for the people of this forums... well... we've also seen hundreds of these threads before. As you pointed out, there aren't that many people left. If someone could have been swayed by this sort of rhetoric, they would have already left. Those who haven't left will just respond like... well... scroll up.
If you're looking for sheer cathartic ranting, then I recommend shouting. If you must type your opinions, try here.
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 16:42
#6
Copy and paste
How can a lvl 100 dragon, the offensive pet, not be able to kill one enemy, stationary enemy, in end game? HOW?
For a person who played 2000 hours, knowing OOO and their talent at balancing (*coughs* RSS), what did you really expect? I already predicted this when sprites were first announced, they are simply the icing on the cake, the sweet sugar that melts on your mouth in mere seconds and that was it.
I'm here to remind people to not spend any more money in this steaming pile of sH!t.
SK is a good game, OOO is a neglectful company, know the difference. Spend money only if OOO gives a crap about SK.
I'm here becose of you. I'm your conscience.
You are not, you are simply the devil on my left shoulder. Oh look, Fangel is on the other side, hi there Fangel!
@Skeptic
I'd like to note that many internet users express symptoms of grandiose delusions (particularly those related to Truman Syndrome).
You are an internet user too, you know? No point in 'pot calling the kettle black'.
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 16:57
#7
It should be forbidden to say
It should be forbidden to say "pot calling the kettle black" in any forums.
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 19:13
#8
Inb4 thread gets locked
I am
Inb4 thread gets locked
I am honestly not sure if any game exists that can supply over 5k hours of entertainment. Skyrim? Minecraft? Tetris? No clue
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 19:39
#9
as someone who has played sk nonstop from 2013 i respectfully request a cessation of your voiced grievances as they are irrelevant, repetitive, unwanted, arrogant, and vaguely malicious.
In other words: shut.
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 21:33
#10
I'm a Wizard
This guy must be a troll. Posting in multiple sections.
What's gonna happen once you are maxed? You quit? You do LD?
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 21:52
#11
As a veteran with around 2000 hours in this game
That's cute. Real cute buddy.
I don't play this game much anymore, I've appeared online for about 2 hours maximum in the past two days just to sell things and I have to say that no one is entitled to how this or any game is developed. If they want to throw prize boxes every two weeks then that's their choice. They don't have to fill your entitlement because you played "2000 hours" of this game.
The other thing to note: We do not know for a fact that Sega has anything to do with Three Rings' current state of Spiral Knights. We can only guess and speculate as we do not know the inner works. You could say for a fact that Eurydice actually works for Sega and works on Sonic Games! And no one could say otherwise because there's no way for sure if it's right or wrong.
I was a lot like you back in the day: I wanted content and Spiral Knights was the only thing I played. But the more I researched into game development and looking into becoming one myself, I respect the entirety of the Three Rings' staff for what they have accomplished with such a small team and hoping to see their work in the future.
If you don't like the game, don't play it like I did. The game is fun, it still holds charms and bonds that I made but as all games go and anything else in the world: It'll die. Could be today, tomorrow, or 15 years from now.
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 23:02
#12
It only makes sense, for players to come on and say these things when the developers haven't been employed on SK for some time which in turn leads to the idea of 'lets just let the game die while making phone games, they don't like it'.
What gets us what we want, i.e. more Spiral Knights, is the opposite reaction- gee whiz, that Spiral Knights sure is incredible. Best go buy us some prize boxes to support those devs. MMMM HMMM. All those devs out there, designing that update that's right around the corner.
Then, when all of the phone games fail or take off since they did manage to buy an actual phone game producer this time, they'll stand back and say wow, those Spiral Knights sure are going strong and after so much neglect.. And then maybe they'll hire someone. Maybe even one of us, to continue on making the Spiral Knights. It's a long shot to be sure, but boycotting them certainly hasn't been working and cursing at them is only going to get your post censored- a small PR disaster that could have been prevented by yourself.
@Posts
Quit beating up the OP, you guys do this every time and you need to be better than that regardless of whether it's something you'll be banned or hassled for by the GM or the forum guidelines post. Just because you're right doesn't mean you're not wrong; I've learned that the hard way too many times.
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 23:11
#13
If you want the game to shut down then just leave it alone. You seem convinced it's dead already anyway, what's this post for? I'm as jaded as you are, but it's still good for playing casually and chatting to friends. I have 0 expectations left for the future of SK's development. Despite all the complaining so many people logged thousands of hours in SK... That should speak some volume alone.
Fri, 01/01/2016 - 23:13
#14
Sat, 01/02/2016 - 00:29
#15
Looks like we found the new Wodanct "I left but I'm going to post once every few months just to keep reminding people that I left".
Sat, 01/02/2016 - 03:49
#16
@Traevelliath
You're right but also very wrong. The OP has no idea what they're doing- they made a repetitive topic, posted it in every sub forum and used foul language in all of it- they couldn't have gotten a bigger flame war + warning/censor if they submitted a support ticket asking for it.
Ignoring these topics forces the idea that this is how people see SK- as a dead game, but posting hate comments just makes the community look bad on the whole. Assuming that you haven't been hurt to the point that these are the things you're striving to accomplish, a better technique would be to calmly discuss the issue with the OP, give them credit, and stay positive. Why stay positive? The humans love that for what reason I'll never know.
Sat, 01/02/2016 - 11:47
#17
Iunno
When people come onto the forums and literally spam it, you can expect said forums to bite back. Saying "omg game is dead all of your are morons if you keep playing it" isn't going to bide well with a playerbase, especially the ones who go above and beyond the game to be active on its forums. Many people simply lurk these parts, never posting, despite it being easy to jump into the conversation. Know how many random PMs I get about people recognizing me from the forums? Quite a few - and I'm just as human as those sending me the messages but they feel like they know me.
Thing is, people who have explicitly stated all that OP has in that manner likely aren't going to "calmly discuss the issue". You'll notice that threads started that ask "is the game dead/dying?", or state "the game is dying and i don't want it to" are often met with the same arguments every time, but are rarely hostile. When the OP is hostile you can expect the rest of the thread to confront them for that. When the OP is calm but concerned, you'll see more neutralized discussion. Such is how threads roll.
Sat, 01/02/2016 - 13:34
#18
@Six-From-Syrup
While I like the idea of having a calmer and more positive discussion on this topic, it's a discussion we've already had dozens of times before with people who brought up the idea in a calmer fashion. These sort of posts don't add any insights on an already dead horse. At best they just prompt either a defense we've seen before, a discussion we've already discussed, or a discussion about people discussing a discussion we've already discussed.
Admittedly, I don't think the SK community is one that responds to a rage post with calm discussion. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a community respond like that. It's perfectly natural to defend something you like, even if that thing has flaws.
Sat, 01/02/2016 - 15:03
#19
This thread could have been
This thread could have been made with less flames, but nobody can deny it has some truth to it. Though most is just speculation. Honestly surprised the devs haven't censored it yet.
Sat, 01/02/2016 - 16:04
#20
OP hasn't replied once within 24 hours.
No reason for me to take this post even half-seriously (e.g. asking OP if they had tried using the Drakon with a Cutter).
Sat, 01/02/2016 - 16:48
#21
@OP
Game's dead, buddy.
Just pack up and stay gone. It's sad to see such a unique artstyle be restricted and have its potential squandered.
I hope you don't think you're special.