Spiral Knights - Shadow Lair Weapons

Shadow Lair Weapons

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Sun, 05/22/2016 - 13:41

Travikibot

An idea I got from Monster Hunter Cross/MHGen, where there are some endgame variants of normal bosses that have separate equipment, be that armor or weapons.

So, say you have the 4* Snarble Barb, instead of going for BtB, consider going for the new Shadow Lair variant, with lower attack but added poison.

Or possibly SL Shields, so instead of going for CoA, upgrade your Blackened Crest into the Shadow Lair variant, with much much lower defense but has an attack boost.

It would give some more meaning to going on SLs, especially if there were multiple weapons per lair, like if the Snarbolax SL had a Poison Bomb, a new gun, and a poison sword, or if say, Darkfire Vana had a new shield with low stats but an attack boost, a hammer with super high normal and some added shadow, or a new revolver gun, with high normal and some shadow. Roarmulus twins could get some new fire weapons, and JK could get some new freeze ones.

If they're given some good stats it'll give reason to not just use HoH and occasionally Basil for weapons, and SLs could be ran for more than just some crowns and radiants.

You could even have them require new materials if you wanted, or make the new ones only drop on elite difficulty.

SK is pretty deprived of endgame content at the moment, this would make some of it slightly less stale and hold players over until new bosses/levels are added.

Sun, 05/22/2016 - 15:01

Nizada

Responding and stuff

Sun, 05/22/2016 - 20:05

Squiddum

Ice jelly mail could replace sleep and stun resistance with ice immunity

Mon, 05/23/2016 - 02:15

Fangel

Err

Ice Queen mail literally replaces sleep resistance with freeze resistances, granting immunity to minor freeze.

But additional shadow lair equipment would be nice. As it stands we only have armor, and of the armor sets only 2 of them are even vaguely useful.

I'd recommend them augmenting gear you can get from the boss as it is. As such, darkfire vanaduke would give an almirian shield with curse resist and something else on it, maybe sword attack speed increase: medium, or sword charge time reduction: medium. Ice Queen could give a freeze pierce antigua. Red Roarmy could give something like a fire elemental catalyzer. Snarby could probably get a poison barbed blade and a poison thorn shield (sword damage low, poison resist).

More end-game gear is always nice!

Mon, 05/23/2016 - 04:03

Vohtarak-Forum

in short

Good idea

Mon, 05/23/2016 - 07:57

Rhons

Travikibot, Excellent Idea!

You have already started us off with an idea that fortunately most of us so far agree is useful and meaningful to SK and its community. I for one never bothered with Shadow Lairs solely because there was little reward for a large count in cost. Getting new gear would undoubtedly be beneficial for us all.

Could you yourself suggest some of the content we could be receiving from Shadow Lairs? Since you started this thread, maybe further elaborate and win praise from us all?

@ Fangel

Fire Elemental Catalyzer is beautiful. Yes, yes, yes! Freezing Pierce Carbine? Yes, yes, yes! Imagine the trolling I could do in Lockdown!!

Perhaps Darkfire Vanaduck could give us that Curse Tundrus we had suggested years ago, slight chance of Minor Curse.

Mon, 05/23/2016 - 08:02

Neueragon

you know about all the promo-only gear? add reskins of them and make them craftable in SLs. mixmaster and orbitgun could be made from pulsars, the fire EV from a regular one and so on. same for the three (I think) shields.

Mon, 05/23/2016 - 08:03

Rhons

@Neueragon

We have an Orbitgun? I haven't seen one yet and the Wiki does not have an image of it.

Is it like the Mixmaster, given context from your response?

Mon, 05/23/2016 - 08:04

Defeat

yasssss + 1 million. More

yasssss + 1 million. More reasons to do shadowlair!! ( p.s. devs while ur at it add shadow lair boss statues ;3 )

Mon, 05/23/2016 - 08:14

Neueragon

what, you havent seen the celestial orbitgun yet? its a mixmaster with fire instead of shock, from the latest equinox prize box.

Mon, 05/23/2016 - 11:21

#10

Vohtarak-Forum

coming back here

+1 to promo items, its still an incentive to pay but not impossible if someone doesnt want to spend money for them

Mon, 05/23/2016 - 12:16

#11

Travikibot

@Rhons

Sorry for late reply, went to bed shortly after posting this.

Also, keep in mind that with any added boss guns you could craft them into their normal counterpart as well, so for example, there would be a 5* Snarb gun and a 5* Shadow Lair variant of said gun.

As another feature, each SL line would have its own charge attack that imbues you with the spirit of said boss.

So for a complete weapon/shield list we could obtain from Shadow Lairs:

Rabid Snarbolax: Poison Snarble Barb, as stated earlier, it would have reduced piercing but a moderate chance of poison. A new handgun that shoots 3 Snarbolax spines out of it with a 3 shot combo, with poison as well. A new version of DBB, with again, added poison. Possibly a new Shield with either a CTR or a new effect that increases the affects of statuses, or just poison. The Sword and Gun's charge attacks wouldn't be attacks at all, rather they would be buffs. When you charge them, they will give you an ASI boost for 10 seconds. As an another bonus, when your shield bar runs out you will receive a buff as well. For this shield, it would give you a very small attack boost for 10 seconds.

Ice Queen: The sword would have very high amounts of normal with a chance of freeze, the same combo as the Troika/Sealed Sword lines, only slightly faster. The gun would be the equivalent of a freeze blaster, with a 3 shot combo, only it knocks you back a little further with each shot. The shield would just be the normal Royal Jelly shield but with a different color scheme, and a health boost.

The charge would give you defense up for 15 seconds and the shield running out would give you 3 more pips of health for 10 seconds.

RRT: The sword would be the same model as a combuster, but with a darker color scheme and scratches/marks all over it, and an ashen aura surrounding it. Part of the blade would be chipped off as well. It would have a slightly modified combo though, with the 2nd hit doing the most damage out of the 3. It would have lower normal but higher elemental, and obviously it would have a moderate chance of fire. The gun would be a fire shotgun essentially, shooting out 6 very low damage, spread-out pellets at a time, with a 2 shot clip. It would have large amounts of elemental and a moderate chance of fire. The bomb would be a Nitronome but with a moderate chance of fire and elemental instead of normal. The shield would be made from the scraps of constructs, have very high elemental defense, and would give a small MSI boost.

When charged, you will get a small CTR boost, and when the shield runs out you get a large MSI boost.

DFV: One sword would be a Shadow Fang of Vog, have a small chance of curse, and the same attack speed as combuster/leviblade. Large Shadow but low normal. The second sword would be a hammer, with a modified 3 hit combo, the 3rd hit being an AOE slam. The gun would be a curse magnus, with 3 shots with lower damage instead of 2 high damage shots. The 3rd shot would launch you backwards in a similar fashion to the magnus charge. The bomb would be a Carnavon head and when detonating, will do small blast damage but summon 3 carnavons that will fight for you.
The shield would be a CoA infused with Shadow, and would give a small CTR boost.

When charged, the weapons will give you a very large attack boost for 5 seconds, and when the shield runs out you get a small asi boost.

And, because I'm bored I'll just throw in weapons for a shadow lair variant of a dungeon I made up a while ago.

Thunderous Bone Dragon: The sword is a striker-type sword, with a moderate chance of Shock. High normal, low elemental. The gun would be an Antiqua styled gun, with normal damage and a chance of shock. The bomb would be an AoE shock blast. High normal, low elemental. The shield would have mixed piercing and shadow defense, with a curse resist bonus.

When charged the weapons give a large MSI boost for 15 seconds and the shield gives a low ASI boost when broken.

Any feedback would be appreciated I guess idk

Mon, 05/23/2016 - 12:44

#12

Neueragon

dont make gear TOO special. try making things that can be summed up in a sentence. and the boost idea, I dont know. too out of place.

Mon, 06/06/2016 - 19:14

#13

Monsterbrine

Changes to Snarby weapons (<strong>NEW</strong>)

Snarble Barb:
1* Snarble Barb
2* Twisted Snarble Barb
3* Thorn Blade
4* Dark Thorn Blade/Venomous Thorn Blade
5* Barbarous Thorn Blade/Miasma Thorn Blade
Spine Cone:
1* Spine Cone
2* Twisted Spine Cone
3* Briar Barrage
4* Dark Briar Barrage/Infected Briar Barrage
5* Barbarous Briar Barrage/Bone Briar Barrage
Snarble Shot:
1* Snarble Shot
2* Twisted Snarble Shot
3* Thorn Needle/Thorn Barrage
4* (Dark/Venomous) Thorn Needle/(Dark/Infected) Thorn Barrage
5* (Barbarous/Miasma) Thorn Needle/(Barbarous/Bubonic) Thorn Barrage

Mon, 05/30/2016 - 10:51

#14

Monsterbrine

Here comes Almire.

Blackened Crest:
4* Blackened Crest
5* Crest Of Almire/Further Blackened Crest
Fang Of Vog:
4* Fang Of Vog Cub
5* Fang Of Vog/Darkfire Fang Of Vog
Blackened Crossbow:
4* Blackened Crossbow
5* Crossbow Of Almire/Further Blackened Crossbow

Mon, 05/30/2016 - 11:44

#15

Travikibot

@Monsterbrine

Thanks for the Weapon/Shield names, more creative than anything I could have thought of.

Tue, 05/31/2016 - 14:36

#16

Fangel

Spine Cone:
1* Spine Cone
2* Twisted Spine Cone
3* Briar Barrage
4* Dark Briar Barrage/Infected Briar Barrage
5* Barbarous Briar Barrage/Bone Briar Barrage

Mixing up names a bit there. The 4* Spine Cone is called a Spike Shower. The 5* is a Dark Briar Barrage. It's why you see people abbreviating the 5* as DBB rather than BBB.

Sat, 06/04/2016 - 13:47

#17

Monsterbrine

This thread is about changing the system of how boss weapons are.
GET.
USED.
TO.
IT.
FANGEL.

Sun, 06/05/2016 - 10:33

#18

Nizada

@Monsterbrine

U mad bro?

Mon, 06/06/2016 - 10:19

#19

Fangel

what

I was correcting a name mix-up.

I'm also 100% sure this thread isn't "about changing the system of how boss weapons are". It is about adding more gear to the shadow lair's alchemy machine. Are you in the wrong thread?

Mon, 06/06/2016 - 19:12

#20

Monsterbrine

IT!

Edited by the Game Master

Mon, 06/06/2016 - 19:17

#21

Monsterbrine

@Fangel, continued

YOU!
RUINED!
MY!
POST!
[Ignoring Fangel to death.]

Mon, 06/06/2016 - 21:25

#22

Fangel

Apparently me mentioning the current names is the end of the world.

The only way I can be vanquished will be with all caps and each word on its own line!

But for real, I would stick to the current system and add onto it. Changing up crafting lines can cause a lot of issues. Adding onto them however is plenty fine. As such, if you wanted names for the bombs, something like this might work better:

2* - Spine Cone
3* - Twisted Spine Cone
4* - Spike Shower
5* - Dark Briar Barrage OR Rabid Bristle Bomb

We have the workings for how shadow lair items should be set up. We should follow in their footsteps, as most people probably don't want to go through multiple shadow lairs for a single item.

Tue, 06/07/2016 - 03:49

#23

Vohtarak-Forum

agreeing with fangel here

Every shadow lair item only branches at 5*, making it much more bearable compared to the cost of a key, its a good system to stick to

Tue, 06/07/2016 - 08:22

#24

Monsterbrine

WELL!

AT!
LEAST!
A!
CHANGE!
FOR!
EXAMPLE!
THE!
SNARBOLAX!
THEMED!
WEAPONS!
2* Spine Cone, Snarble Barb, Snarble Shot, Snarble Bazooka
3* Twisted versions of 2* Snarby Weapons
4* DBB (HERE COMES THE CHANGE), Dark Thorn Blade, Dark Thorn Needle, Dark Thorn Barrage
5A* Barbarous Briar Barrage, BtB, Barbarous Thorn Needle, Barbarous Thorn Needle, Barbarous Thorn Barrage
5B* Miasmic versions of 5A* Snarby Weapons
(Note that I followed in the BtB's footsteps. BtB is what I am aiming for. No MtB for me!)

Tue, 06/07/2016 - 08:29

#25

Monsterbrine

@EVERYONE ON CRADLE/EARTH, CONTINUED

Barbarous Thorn Blade is the inspiration for Snarby 5A* weapons with my edit.
[IGNORING!]
[FANGEL!]
[FOR!]
[THE!]
[REST!]
[OF!]
[ALL!]
[ETERNITY!]

Tue, 06/07/2016 - 09:20

#26

Vohtarak-Forum

Your still not making sense
are you now suggesting a 5* branch, but a name change for others?
we really dont need any names to be changed, keep the suggestion relevant and maybe take a bit less space by using the spacebar instead of the enter key

Tue, 06/07/2016 - 11:10

#27

Monsterbrine

Team Rocket, blast off at the speed of light!

YOU!
ARE!
GOING!
TO!
BE!
VANQUISHED!
THE!
SAME!
WAY!
I!
VANQUISH!
FANGEL!
[IGNORING!]
[VOHTARAK-FORUM!]
[TO!]
[EXTINCTION!]

Tue, 06/07/2016 - 11:42

#28

Vohtarak-Forum

you are ridiculous

Your ideas are either nonsensical or derailing, and now youre just taking personal offense from actual feedback

Tue, 06/07/2016 - 11:47

#29

Monsterbrine

BtB rules!

Barbarous Thorn Blade is a plentiful example of good 5A* work. It was starvefront, if anything I would even spit in the direction of, you shoved at MY IDEA.

Tue, 06/07/2016 - 11:50

#30

Monsterbrine

Think.

Think of my idea not as a googol* Spur-line item, but as a good rework of the Sleep status.

Tue, 06/07/2016 - 13:16

#31

Vohtarak-Forum

I did not

I gave a logical reason to not completely change how shadow lair items worked, and your renaming was off-topic to the original post, you are the one saying that you're going to ignore anyone who doesnt agree with you completely, and you're blaming everyone else for "ruining" your posts just because theyre giving feedback, you know, the thing that forums are designed for

Tue, 06/07/2016 - 13:57

#32

Monsterbrine

There goes googol* Winmillions again.

Think of me giving a good rework of the Sleep status, in a thread talking about status changes, while you are viewing in a non-you account. Now imagine if you saw Vohtarak-Forum attacking THAT. That is an analogy to a way to help yourself to not give negative feedback if you don't have any good ones about something like using Barbarous Thorn Blade as inspiration for a change to ANYTHING Snarbolax.

Tue, 06/07/2016 - 15:27

#33

Fangel

If it was a good sleep rework then we would bring up any potential flaws in the suggestion, and talk them over like adults, and figure out any technicalities as to why certain things wouldn't work, what we do like, etc.

It's usually about the content of the post, not the poster. People make troll suggestions that get somewhere, others make great suggestions that go nowhere. Such is life.

Tue, 06/07/2016 - 16:40

#34

Nizada

@Monsterbrine

Did you think raging and spamming all over the chat would accualy get you somewhere? ... o.O

Wed, 06/08/2016 - 08:38

#35

Monsterbrine

Read the definition of spam again.

Spam-1: Fake ham.
Spam-2: Posting or saying the SAME THING OVER AND OVER, blocking out ANY OTHER POST OR SOUND POSSIBILITIES!

Wed, 06/08/2016 - 08:46

#36

Monsterbrine

Here goes.

Snarble Barb to Twisted Snarble Barb to Dark Thorn Blade to Barbarous Thorn Blade OR Miasmic Thorn Blade.
Bristle Barrier to Twisted Targe to Dark Thorn Shield to Barbarous Thorn Shield OR Miasmic Thorn Shield.
That is pretty much all you want when we can change a couple of names around to allow this to happen. Why are you against BtB and BtS?
[EDIT] I just realized this is a double-post. Hooray!

Wed, 06/08/2016 - 09:19

#37

Vohtarak-Forum

um, we're not

You suggested exactly what we have been saying right there, what you were doing before was breaking the regular shadow lair craft patterns and changing names

Wed, 06/08/2016 - 19:49

#38

Monsterbrine

When

will you realize that a name change for 4* and 5A* Spine Cones could work out? No double posting for me this time! And how would adding weapons break the SL system of crafting? Shadow Lair crafting is using a 4* item and some materials in a certain alchemy machine to get a 5* SL item.

Wed, 06/08/2016 - 22:16

#39

Fangel

2*-4* should remain as it is. Whatever name you want to give a 5* branch you can give it.

Gunner update didn't rename autogun to "repeater". Almirian crusaider armor didn't rename mighty cobalt to "pure cobalt". As such, following in the patterns of previous sets, the predecessor (in this case, spike shower, dark thorn blade, dark thorn shield) should not be changed. The new item can have whatever name is deemed good for it.

Shadow lair crafting consists of taking a 4* piece of gear and crafting it to 5* in the sanctuary alchemy machine. This requires a 1,800 entrance fee.

Now imagine if you had to pay 3,600 energy to make one piece of gear. Earlier you wanted to make 4* items be shadow lair themed. A) that doesn't make sense since 4* items don't use 5* materials and shadow lair materials are 5*, and B) requires a larger money investment to make gear that may or may not even be useful, and C) requires heating up gear after going through a shadow lair twice.
You could argue you make the 4* not in a shadow lair, but at that point what's the point of making the 5* version when the 4* version is just as good and doesn't require a huge cash investment?

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