Seriously... I've sold monster bones for 400 cr, blue shards for 300 cr and iron gears for 500 cr, just a week ago. And bought CE for 3,450 cr.
And now.. oh my god. How did this happen?
.. also I hope there isn't another topic like this... ._.
Prices for mats went down A LOT in the last week. And CE prices increased. Why?
Mon, 06/27/2011 - 14:45
Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:00
#2
Supply & Demand
As people need less CE there are less people who purchase with RL money. But with more people who are able to transverse the clockworks they get more materials and want to sell them off faster since they dont need them as they have the gear they need/want. Thus they sell for cheaper and material prices go down.
Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:01
#3
You must be part of the steam
You must be part of the steam rush. This happen a month ago too. With less and less new players, need for mats and CE is decreasing. I see the CE prices going back upto 7k as they were before the steam rush.
Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:08
#4
Until they do some other
Until they do some other crazy event, which reverts the prices.
Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:16
#5
Simple Supply and Demand
Simple Supply and Demand:
The demand for materials is lessening as the new players are learning where they can collect them in the Clockworks. They are also realizing how much CE they are going to need for crafting, so they are less willing to exchange it for crowns. When people hold onto their CE, there is less of it being offered for sale, so the price goes up as the supply deminishes.
Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:19
#6
It's similar to how drug
It's similar to how drug addicts behave. People are jonessing for CE and so are selling whatever they can as quickly as they can, then the CE sellers are responding the rabid demand by raising CE prices. This doesn't seem at all like how a healthy economy should behave.
Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:29
#7
Natural prices...
The natural prices of 1-4* materials is dirt cheap. They simply fountain vastly more often than they are used, they're as common as dirt, and about as valuable. They'll always retain -some- value because players won't put them on the auction house at all if they don't, and mass crafters can craft more the cheaper 1-2* materials are, so the very low end materials will simply get used up more and push prices back up whenever they drop. 3-4* materials are not so fortunate.
CE prices have a natural price just under what a player can earn with that CE. There's almost no use for crowns except buying dirt-cheap materials ... tokens can be used to acquire the expensive materials, after all. Crowns are temporarily useful for buying things on the auction house, but only 10% of those spent crowns are sunk. The rest are likely to be turned back into CE by the seller on the other end of the transaction, because outside of the auction house, CE is the cost for -everything-. (neglecting the tiny cost in crowns in recipes and crafting.)
The demand for CE is not limited by game balance, but by the point at which players stop trying to play the game with crown-bought CE (which divides them into camps of quitting, running on mist only, and becoming paying players.) The amount of crowns earned in 10 average levels is a pretty firm ceiling because that's where players start to feel that they are 'losing money' every time they run on crown-bought CE.
Search the forums for 'why do I need your crowns?' and you should find a thread started by a cash paying player who explains exactly why she never sold any of her thousands of CE. Really very little incentive to do so if you have any kind of patience at all, and almost no incentive after you're in T3 and 5* gear.
Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:36
#8
.. also I hope there isn't
.. also I hope there isn't another topic like this... ._.
You funny guy! I kill you last.
Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:49
#9
Oh, yeah...
The search engine in these forums does suck horribly, -but- still, CE price threads have got to be the most common sort of thread there is.
The quotes matter, so searching for "CE Price" with quotes gets you more correct hits than searching for CE Price as two separate words.
Lets Raise the price of Ce
... buying useless materials just to give people crowns. CE price is not showing any CE price is not showing any sign of progress (understand isn't lowering, by ...
Forum topic - Njthug - 04/10/2011 - 02:46 - 101 comments - 0 attachments
Energy Prices are Unstable (40,000 CE reward for solution post #98)
... will add to confusion as people calculate the crown per CE price for every auction. Most people currently already ask players nearby ... sales of small amounts of CE. Showing the average CE price for last 24 hr/week/month People mostly bid on energy when they ...
Forum topic - Sinxeno - 06/08/2011 - 04:21 - 246 comments - 0 attachments
5/17/2011 release feedback thread
... you think about all the factors. Time played, Mist Energy, CE Price, The ability to buy CR using CE, selling materials, etc. 300 to 800 ... all this out in my head and how it will affect me. The CE price is the biggest factor in this dance between F2P/P2P vs. Devs. Everyone ...
Forum topic - nick - 06/10/2011 - 21:05 - 478 comments - 0 attachments
CE prices rising again... what do you feel is the right Crown price for 100 CE?
... reserve for CE. Because by the end of this month, The CE price will reach 6k. Then you can resell it for more crowns. The price ... itself. That said, I'd like to see the crowns per CE price stay low, because a lower price is an indicator of a healthy game. ...
Forum topic - FenixStryk - 05/06/2011 - 12:44 - 31 comments - 0 attachments
low down energy prices! who is with me!
... =( IMO one thing that would help make the rapid CE price increases feel less daunting would be a better way of selling ... of Ce once the market hits 5k to 6k per 100 ce. Average Ce price in a month in of this game will be 10k most likely. Lol You ...
Forum topic - Crazzywave - 04/09/2011 - 17:59 - 301 comments - 0 attachments
Analysis of CE Price Increase: It's really not a big deal.
... will also decrease the supply of CE, making it easier for CE price to change rapidly. 3. Market fluctuation > general overreaction ...
Forum topic - energee - 06/08/2011 - 05:31 - 33 comments - 0 attachments
League against the price raises, Boycott market energy
... the AH and so on.. but most are falling in price while the CE price keeps on rising.. This all makes the game frustrating. The answer ... play unfriendly. Sadly I don't have high hopes for the CE price dropping down again to a point where casual play without picking your ...
Forum topic - Thoran - 06/04/2011 - 13:29 - 42 comments - 0 attachments
OOO What you are doing to your poor game???!
... or NOT farming something for profit. perhaps like this the CE price will eternally remain low!? 320+ posts and still no 320+ posts ...
Forum topic - GodofSkype1 - 06/10/2011 - 20:54 - 334 comments - 0 attachments
Regarding the recent update - 4* and 5* binding (Dev response)
... the devs too: Are you going to do something about the CE price for the crafting or not? To the Developers: Are you To the ... to ask just what the devs hoped to accomplish jacking the CE price up when the price to buy (in-game) was going up already from 4k to 5k ...
Forum topic - nick - 05/18/2011 - 18:37 - 277 comments - 0 attachments
Why'd the CE price fall so low? PS. Holy hell is SK lagging!
... or two weeks ago. But I discontinued playing because the CE price was nearly 7K per 100CE. I also left the forums; I didn't want to be apart of SK anymore. I log in today and see that the CE price is not even 4K per 100CE. Never when In the months that I was ...
Forum topic - Zoa - 06/17/2011 - 16:06 - 24 comments - 0 attachments
Mon, 06/27/2011 - 16:49
#10
High CE prices and low
High CE prices and low materials prices.... are normal.
The price conditions at the Steam launch were not normal.
The CE and materials markets are merely approaching equilibrium.
Please make fewer threads complaining about CE prices. ._.
Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:02
#11
Oh sorry, initially I wasn't
Oh sorry, initially I wasn't going to mention CE at all, since the mats worry me more. ._.;
But I thought about it while writing the post and put it too.
Oh god I feel so bad now. :c I'm sorry. ;_;
And.. yeah I can understand... pffft, I wish I had discovered the game before the steam rush. I'm used to the low CE prices and high mats prices..
Mon, 06/27/2011 - 17:12
#12
The higher the CE exchange
The higher the CE exchange rate, the less willing people are to craft, thus driving demand for mats down.
The higher the CE exchange rate, the more will people are to sell mats on the AH to make up the "lost" profit on runs, thus driving the supply of mats up.
Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:07
#13
Welcome to the
Welcome to the post-Steam-shock economy.
Mon, 06/27/2011 - 18:28
#14
'why do i need your crowns?'
Wow, having a thread I started referenced in a well written post; my heart swells with pride. http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/10405 was the thread if anyone cares.
When I wrote it, it seemed like common sentiment that the increase in CE prices was the fault of a select few wealthy players sitting in smoke filled rooms twirling their mustaches while manipulating the price of CE ever higher. Then this game launched on steam and I was too busy collecting CE before the inevitable bubble burst for 'I told you so's.
Seriously, this game still needs crown sinks.
Less paying players?