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Video of 1 Pill 0 death Solo Vanaduke - No Vog, No D.A, No HP trinket, No Fire-resist, No Argent Peacemaker -

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Fri, 07/01/2011 - 19:04
sawa0122
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0 death, 15 mins, with just 1 pill and 2 remedy.
I have only 1 UV which is a med fire resist on my Skolver cap.
But my mad bomber suit has negative fire resist stat, so they cancel out and gives a neutral.

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http://youtu.be/NRRKbjaqLM4
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IGN: Rits
Guild: Delicious Bacon

Item:
- Vita Pod +15
- Remedy x 2
- Pill x 1
- Ice Vial x 1
- Sleep Vial x 3

Gears:
- Cold Iron Vanquisher (Lv 10)
- Shivermist Buster (Lv 10)
- Nitronome (Lv 10)
- Blitz Needle (Lv 10)
- Skolver cap (UV - Fire resist med) (Lv 10)
- Mad bomber Suit (Lv 10)
- Crest of Almire (Lv 10)

Fri, 07/01/2011 - 19:10
#1
Njthug's picture
Njthug
Impressive Congratz =)

Impressive Congratz =)

Fri, 07/01/2011 - 19:27
#2
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Betrael
Awesome!

Awesome!

Fri, 07/01/2011 - 19:33
#3
Malicus
That's really good.

That's really good. ...though I notice that "no spawn exploit" isn't one of the things you included. I'd like to see videos of people killing Vanaduke WITHOUT preventing the 5th stage spawns. Though I suppose that's kind of insane...

Fri, 07/01/2011 - 19:36
#4
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Richy
Nice job. At least you aren't

Nice job. At least you aren't one of the butthurts who goes no Argent Peacemaker? You stupid or something?!?!?! Overrated as it is.

Fri, 07/01/2011 - 19:45
#5
Pupu
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Eh

Congrats, not really impressed though, once you know the duke, it's not hard.
On a somewhat related note, what soft did you use for video capture? Fraps has been failing me lately.

Fri, 07/01/2011 - 20:30
#6
Captain-Teemo
Awesome vid!!open up a

Awesome vid!!

You really open up a clinic on aggro control.

I feel like trying vana again, I haven't been able to beat him yet XD

Fri, 07/01/2011 - 20:26
#7
Metaphysic
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It would be impressive to

It would be impressive to kill it without abusing the pathing bug that gets him stuck against objects, or with the 5th stage adds actually spawning . As it is it's nothing special.

Fri, 07/01/2011 - 21:04
#8
sawa0122
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@Metaphysic if vanaduke would

@Metaphysic
if vanaduke would stop abusing his pathing bug with the lava tiles then i'd think about it. otherwise right now is not a matter of skill but a matter of luck, even a success wuoldn't be impressive, "oh wow look at that luck".

but do let me know if you find a footage of anyone do it as you described.

Fri, 07/01/2011 - 22:59
#9
adrian783
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whats the pathing bug with

whats the pathing bug with lava tiles?

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 02:14
#10
Loki
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Vanaduke is far too glitchy,

Vanaduke is far too glitchy, it's a joke.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 02:16
#11
sawa0122
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@adrian783 the graphics and

@adrian783
the graphics and animation may set you up a death trap with the lavas; may trap you up or even spawn at your foot. the longer the battle the higher the chance you'll give up the run for that cause.

i think some of you are missing the point, i'm not here to impress, i'm here to explain how things can be done without what the majority suggest necessary to have.
for those who's claiming the video is just common sense, well, sounds ignorant to me. you dont see the majority's misery and struggle.
for those who's claiming the video is a cheap shot owe everyone a video proof of how things are supposed to be done, if there exist one. and do it with economy class gears - without Vog Set, without bundle of UVs, without AP, without DA, without HP trinkets.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 03:37
#12
kbe2k11
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Was sorta impressed until I

Wanted to be impressed until I see ya getting him stuck between the water globes and while it's a smart strategy it's also very cheap and I hope OOO sees this video and moves the globes further apart so you can't sit outside his range or just remove those broken pillars so you cannot hide behind them.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 04:32
#13
Copperwire
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lol

@Most of You - They should remove the water globes except during the mask phases and make it impossible to avoid the slag guard spawns and remove Shivermist from the game. It would also make it more fun if they increased the count on possible lava spawns so the whole room can be just lava after a while. Also, having terrain to hide behind is just cheap - they should remove all terrain and make the room much smaller so dodging is impossible. I also think its too easy to avoid his fire attack. It should be bigger, so you really have to have a fire res shield or you have no chance, cause the game would be more fun if you really did have to use only one possible set of gear. And that gear should cost more for no logical reason. It would also be more fun if you had to guess which squares had lava in them. They could make all the floor the color of lava. Maybe they should have an update where the AP is changed so it just shoots a stream of pure CE as well.

No, seriously. Please post a video of you being more impressive.

@OP - Nice Video. I prefer the Blitz Needle myself.

You know, you guys give OOO very little credit. Ever think that most of the "cheap" tricks in Vana are there on purpose? Maybe so that instead of a thousand posts about how "Vana is so hard so they can steal our CE!" we just get to listen to players who figured it out whine about how much more noble it would be if they had to pay for more rezzes before getting their next to useless Fang.

Unless I missed the point, the OP was trying to get across the idea that beating Vana is more a matter of technique then gear. Me, I think the gear makes it possible to learn the fight well enough to not need the gear; the learning curve is pretty steep without the fire res.

Internets, you never cease to make me laugh. Thank you.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 04:52
#14
Metaphysic
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About the only relevant stat

About the only relevant stat that the OP is missing is fire resist; vog/DA/hp trinkets/AP have never been needed for the fight and I don't think anybody knowledgeable would claim otherwise. Swords in general are useless for p3/5 (removing vog/DA), argent peacemaker is just another gun that can be replaced with anything (removing AP) and even 2 tri-heart pendants would allow you to take just one more hit before dying.

Now, I freely admit that I abuse the same bugs when I kill him. It's just not worth the hassle to kill the fight as intended. When you let the slag guards spawn and don't bug him out, the fight is chaotic as hell. I've done a kill like that once just to see if it was possible but it takes twice as long, requires a lot more concentration/skill and a little luck, and probably 95% of the player base couldn't even dream of doing it.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 06:40
#15
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Shue-Donnym
Ah.

1 pill? Wow. You are a master of survival. Truly, sir, you are a hardy boy. Geddit? Heh.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 06:54
#16
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Fallout
D= saw how easy you made it

D= saw how easy you made it look, so i went to solo vanaduke myself (never tried before). got to the first level after emberlight; noticed it was fiend and entered anyway: began to freeze lagg in the first room died 3 times and rage quit.
i think i might move to america just so i actually have a chance at dodging already ended animations.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 07:23
#17
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Eeks
>i think i might move to

>i think i might move to america just so i actually have a chance at dodging already ended animations.

Hah. I 3-bar but have relatively low latency. The devilite thing seems like a bug in the animation rather than lag. You actually get hit before the projectile travels to you so even if you shield you'll take damage as far as I can tell. It only happens with the devilite throws since I can dodge kat ghost bullets fine.

You'll be sorely disappointed when you go through all the trouble of moving to America and find that you still get hit by devilites. :p

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 09:27
#18
kakelgis
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My opinion here is the same

My opinion here is the same as Pupu's - Nice job, but it's not all that hard, and the way you did it is a bit... too easy.

Honestly, as long as you have a good connection with no latency, are on solo, block the spawns and know what to do, Vanaduke is just pretty darn easy.

Gear never really matters - Even if you use something as appropriate, defense-wise, as Volcanic Plate, you'll still be getting hit for craptons of damage, you'll still get set on fire, your shield will still likely explode to Vanaduke's mace.

Shivermist also makes the whole thing pretty damn easy.

And Blitz Needle is actually really underrated - It deals much better DPS than Argent. The mobility lost isn't even an issue (to be honest it makes it easier since you can memorize the rhythm, while for Argent you just shoot like a madman at all times, without actual rhythm) as long as you know what time to shoot or move.

Pretty silly that you trapped all the zombies, too! That's really too difficult and not necessary. (and to show off you'd have to do this with the Slag Guards anyway, but they're still way too broken, I guess)

...You also trapped him by the water pillar by stage 3, and attempted the same several times at 5. That's not impressive at all. You say the "pathing bug" with lava is really annoying and ends up being just plain luck-based; But I'm pretty darn sure I'm not a very lucky person and I fair off fine against that. Of course, I do get hit sometimes by random lava, but in general, it's not all that difficult to dodge if you know how to maneuver well.

Honestly, in your case, I would only really be impressed by this if you:
-Used no elemental resist gear
-No fire resist gear
-No pills at all
-Did not use the AI exploit of locking Vanaduke in the water pillars
-Did not use Shivermist
-Used Swiftstrike Buckler or any other shield that would just explode against anything in the battle

Because that's pretty much what would be "pro", from my observations. With a ping of 300ms, I manage to kill Vanaduke with Vog Cub, Swiftstrike, two health pills, Blitz Needle and the no spawn exploit. I don't really get hit by anything but his lava orbs, since with 300ms ping and a Swiftstrike it's not really that easy to dodge them at stage 5.

With a Grey Owlite or similar shield it gets pretty damn easy, though.

Without the latency issues I have, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be that hard to run a "perfect" run.

And finally:
i think some of you are missing the point, i'm not here to impress, i'm here to explain how things can be done without what the majority suggest necessary to have.

If you were here just to show that stuff could have been done without the "mainstream" crap, then you would either stick to a single thread for your videos, or you just wouldn't be posting that many videos at all. Even if you don't realize it, you ARE trying to show off as a badass.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 10:12
#19
Dirt
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Do people really think that,

Do people really think that, after all the time he's been in the game, OOO will just go and make extreme overhauls to his fight? It's been tested to death, the preview is over. The game has already been tweaked.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 10:43
#20
Loki
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@Dirt

That type of mentality is laughable here, especially since the monster balance update was implemented.

You don't know what you're talking about if you honestly think no change at all could be made to already existing content. This is an MMO, not a console video game.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 10:54
#21
Metaphysic
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If they actually fixed all

If they actually fixed all the various bugs you can exploit on Vanaduke then 95% of the players would never be able to kill it ever again. I doubt they will change the fight; all people are pointing out is that the OP is attempting to brag about something that isn't particularly impressive or difficult.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 10:56
#22
sawa0122
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@kalegis the lava tiles dont

@kalegis
the lava tiles dont spawn until a 2 seconds the debris hit the ground, not to mention the dust blurs the places, then by the time you can confirm you have a spot to walk through, he can swing the next attack, may break your shield or bump you into the lava tile. by theory, your argument doesn't stand.

of all the options, full fire resist helps the fight the most, cuz its the fire burn that kills the most hp. you have vog, i don't, most people can't afford yet.

and how do you know your ping anyways? how do you know i dont have ping issue?

and with all the talks you still owe everyone a video proof. prove that you can do it the pro way you described, or at least the easy way can be done too by many others, as if FoV in haven is as common as ipods in the real life.

@Metaphysics
you too, evidence.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 11:14
#23
kakelgis
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the lava tiles dont spawn

the lava tiles dont spawn until a 2 seconds the debris hit the ground, not to mention the dust blurs the places, then by the time you can confirm you have a spot to walk through, he can swing the next attack, may break your shield or bump you into the lava tile. by theory, your argument doesn't stand.

I dunno, I think you just need to pay a bit more attention and stay a bit farther away from the lava tiles. It's really not that hard to notice where lava spawns; The only issue I usually have in this case is with it spawning directly on my face, even if I'm just standing there. And that doesn't really happen often enough to be significant. The only real issue with this is magical lava spawning inside walls, rather than on my face.

And in general, if you're playing well and cleaning up most lava, there will always be somewhere to run off to. You shouldn't ever need to shield against his mace.

of all the options, full fire resist helps the fight the most, cuz its the fire burn that kills the most hp. you have vog, i don't, most people can't afford yet.

Did you even read my post? I said I don't even really get hit that much, only really by the lava orbs. Even if I do get hit and set on fire, it's not that hard to run off to a water pillar and douse off the fire on yourself, or use a remedy. You'd have to be pretty slow to take significant damage from fire in the time it takes to do that.

and how do you know your ping anyways? how do you know i dont have ping issue?

Your connection bars. You seem to have 3 or 4 bars, and considering I NEVER get that much, it's pretty obvious your connection is better than mine. Saying my ping is ~300ms is just a wild guess - However, on other games that do allow you to check your ping, that is usually my ping. It's probably a bit different in SK, but I still get significant latency to ruin my timing and dodging.

and with all the talks you still owe everyone a video proof. prove that you can do it the pro way you described, or at least the easy way can be done too by many others, as if FoV in haven is as common as ipods in the real life.

@Metaphysics
you too, evidence.

And you claim you aren't showing off.

I can't take video proof myself, because my computer is downright terrible. SK in itself already lags tons at certain levels, recording would make playing impossible for me.

Besides, I have never said that I'm able to do the pro way I described. (even more with the latency I get) I only said that is the only way you'd actually impress me on this. My actual best solos (hell, even teams. While I have done several "badass no-death no-pill" runs, I haven't attempted using inappropriate gear or anything like that, other than Swiftstrike) don't really get close to what I said. This "prove you can do better" argument is always really silly.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 11:35
#24
JCPedroza
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Impressive video. There are

Impressive video. There are really talented people out there.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 11:35
#25
sawa0122
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@kakelgis mmkay, fair enough,

@kakelgis
mmkay, fair enough, you win, here's 50 internets.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 14:51
#26
viper901
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@Kakelgis Every single time I

@Kakelgis
Every single time I find an interesting thread that is fun to read and you jump in with your opinions that nobody cares a rats booty about it just gets lame as heck. Way to ruin the atmosphere as well as get in 15 puff-up points for your peacock feathers. Why don't you and your buddy whatever-his-name-is that's always posting with you just quit. Your threads are lame and annoying. You contribute almost nothing to the conversations you are in. You always try to drag the topic back around to "old school ruled" or how much OOO is screwing stuff up. Or how everybody sucks compared to us blah blah blah.

NOBODY. CARES. ABOUT. YOUR. 5. STANDARD. POSTING. BULLET. POINTS. STOP. RUINING. NICE. THREADS.

Until OOO implements an ignore-poster ability so that I can have all you freakers on ignore an just read eek5, fallout, copperwire, and other people who actually, you know, play a game to have fun and watch other people on youtube who are having fun playing it! AUUGHH! (going to bed, good night)

P.S. - Loved the video Sawa, had the same EXACT reaction as Fallout, and had the same result (except I didn't res three times I just sighed and clicked "leave"). Next time I'll party till the terminal and then go solo for the fortress, or party for the fortress (yaya heat!) and go solo for the boss.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 15:21
#27
kakelgis
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@viper901

I think you're mistaking me for someone else, dude. I haven't even posted much at all lately.

What buddy? I seriously do not recall having any "wingman" to back me up.

My threads are lame and annoying? What threads? I don't recall having posted any thread in the last month. And I haven't even posted more than 10 total threads... out of which, there was only one about ranting post-release. (or maybe two, my memory is terrible)

Drag the topic to "how old school ruled"? Contribute almost nothing? "How everybody sucks"?

...what?

NOBODY. CARES. ABOUT. YOUR. 5. STANDARD. POSTING. BULLET. POINTS.

...what???

STOP. RUINING. NICE. THREADS.

Just a note here. Nice threads don't just get ruined by a single person going antsy or trolling. (which seems to be your opinion on me) Those are pretty easy to ignore, after all, they're just being silly or trolling.
This thread is nice, sure. It was a nice video, the exploits could be said to be nice strategies. But after all, it all seems like a big attempt to show-off to me. Which I don't really enjoy, specially with all the exploits used and whatever.

Again, I say: You're probably mistaking me for some other ranting idiot that goes around the forums. There's a lot out there, though, you gotta learn to deal with them.

But hey, sorry if I ruined this for you or for anyone! But I said it in my first post - Nice video, the OP is skillful, and it was a good run. But it was not worthy of showing off with, considering how he did it.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 17:42
#28
Sick
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^^

I love how threads like these blow up. Great gameplay as always Rits.

I've been working on this: Bomb-only

Main weapon is the 4* Sun Shards. Quite tedious if anyone wants to attempt. I'll have part 2 up in a sec.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 17:52
#29
Pupu
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New challenge:

New challenge:
Ancient armor
Ancient helm
Ancient shield
FoV only
No pills
No trinkets
No exploits
Final destination

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 17:55
#30
Sick
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@Pupu

Only if I get to play as Meta-Knight ^^

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 17:55
#31
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Eeks
Sick: That does look

Sick: That does look tedious. It's almost hard to watch lmao

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 19:11
#32
Matuse
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Dealing with the mask phase

Dealing with the mask phase with a shard bomb made me die a little inside.

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 23:43
#33
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Odenmaru
Oooooh...

Oooooh...do you think you could be so kind as to tell me what the name of the 4 songs that played during the video are? c:

Sat, 07/02/2011 - 23:49
#34
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Thoranhippo
Hi Rits, thanks for the

Hi Rits, thanks for the video. Yesterday I made my 2 first attempts of Vanaduke solo (I had never reached it before, even in group). I reached 4th and 5th part, but didn't managed to kill it. Though I'm sure with your tricks I will be able to starting from the 3rd time, your strategy is really great!

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 00:11
#35
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Shoebox
you people and your unwarranted egotism

The hardest part about vanaduke is accepting you're not the only person you can beat him, apparently.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 01:38
#36
stock
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Rits you're horrible at this

Rits you're horrible at this game. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 02:53
#37
sawa0122
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@Sickdammit sick! me and

@Sick
dammit sick! me and eeks were just talking about the bomb only attempt the other day DX GG brah!

@Stock
hmph! i go cry to papa eeks! : <

@Odenmaru
- Howling Soul by Rekka Katakiri
- Modern Strange Cowboy by GRANRODEO
- Principle by Riryka
- God Knows... by Masaaki Endoh

@All those appreciations
thanks and hope you find the video helpful, know what can be done by anyone without the most desirable gears, in order to stop the elitists waving crest and FoV at your face and say mean things when they can only abuse "exploits".

@All the rest
thanks for the bump.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 06:17
#38
SnNoodlez
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@kakelgis - Why do you talk

@kakelgis - Why do you talk as though Rits needs to impress you? You gotta realize something, from our point of view all you've done is talk as if you're better, while making excuses on why you can't prove it. Anybody can say they can do something, but it has no credibility. Actions speaks louder then words. Not gonna turn this into an argument cause its pointless, let your action speak or don't speak at all.
"But it was not worthy of showing off with" Are you serious? "WORTHY"??? Who in the world are you to decide what video can be posted or not. SHOWING OFF??? not everyone cares about their EGO like you.

@rits Nice vid man, Now do one with Slag Guards. :P

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 06:39
#39
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Thoranhippo
Rits has done an extremely

Rits has done an extremely nice feat. So he/she's got all the rights to boast, show off, though that was clearly not among his/her first intentions when he/she posted this thread. Kudos to Rits!

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 07:24
#40
Thoranhippo's picture
Thoranhippo
One thing; I tried again

One thing; I tried again today, I failed at 5th part of Vanaduke again. I don't understand, how to prevent him from summoning those monsters with spears? They make it impossible for me to attack it.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 10:38
#41
kakelgis
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@SnNoodlez

Because this seems to be his objective. He makes a lot of videos, apparently with the objective of showing that "skill matters, gear does not". But I always notice that he ends up making new threads for some of his videos, instead of sticking to a single thread or youtube itself. If his objective wasn't showing off, he wouldn't really attempt to "advertise" his videos all that much. Or rather, he wouldn't even bother making that many videos.

I dunno, for me, it's common sense. Sorry if you don't think the same way.

And as I said, my only issue is that he simply abused exploits for this video. I dunno, if he's attempting to show gear does not matter, he should have done a normal run. I admit I exaggerated a bit by "demanding him to impress me", but that was mostly only because I believe he is just attempting to show-off. If he's not, a simple normal run would suffice. But simply abusing exploits like that doesn't even get such a "good message" to the newbies that believe more in gear than skill, or whatever.

But enough silly arguing, I guess. That's just my opinion.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 11:36
#42
SnNoodlez
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"its common sense. sorry if

"its common sense. sorry if you dont think the same way" How egotistic are you to think that YOUR opinion is "common sense". How ignorant can one person be, to think that HIS way of THINKING is "Common Sense". I see nothing wrong with people "sharing" their accomplishments, or successfully doing something they considered challenging and posting a video of it. Not exactly sure what you consider a "normal" run.

You consider his videos to be showing off, however a lot of us consider it helpful, entertaining and fun to watch. You gotta consider that majority of players in this game CANNOT kill vanaduke in a group, some can't even imagine soloing him. I believe theres only a small percentage of players that can actually solo Vanaduke WITHOUT dying.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 13:35
#43
viper901
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@kakelgis Just wanted to pop

@kakelgis
Just wanted to pop in and apologize for my previous post. You have clearly explained your reasoning in the most recent one and, while I may not agree with it, it certainly doesn't deserve the ire I gave it. Oh the folly of late night posting. I took your advice and searched up your other threads. There were many more helpful ones than there were 'the vile few' that I was referencing. So again you were correct on that account and have certainly contributed more help and advice to new players and forum goers than I have. Thanks and sorry.

@Sick
sick.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 13:40
#44
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Algol-Sixty
This video got me thinking...

This video got me thinking... Can someone point me to a video of killing vanaduke where they also have to deal with slag guards? I haven't found a single one on youtube, but I haven't looked at all of them.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 13:43
#45
Sunless's picture
Sunless
Nofunallowed.jpg

Nofunallowed.jpg

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 13:47
#46
Odenmaru's picture
Odenmaru
Thanks!

Thanks for telling me the name of the songs, I really like them!

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 17:00
#47
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Mafiaso
nice video and for the all

nice video and for the all the haters comments, u jelly?

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 18:22
#48
Pupu
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Hm

Eh, I'll try to convince Poul to make a video with slags later if you guys really want. The basic idea is to kill one and leave one permanently frozen and undisturbed. Or just kill them both fast if your party can ever manage to play bullfighter instead of derp around them.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 19:53
#49
sawa0122
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that would be nice if your

that would be nice if your group can be generous to spend time and effort taking the rough path and show how it can be done.
but if there's any debate in this thread, the subject in question is concerning soloing.

to me its a matter of luck and risk probability over longer battle duration. the longer you fool around with the mess the more chances you receive unfair damages. hence until those bugs against you are fixed, i'd recommend those who need the tokens, or people who wonders how others got the tokens, learn the bugs against vanaduke.

Sun, 07/03/2011 - 19:55
#50
sawa0122
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@ Thoran dont kill zombies,

@ Thoran
dont kill zombies, they're your friends

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