I hate them. Don't you hate them, too? They are just a waste of time, but more importantly, Energy. They don't pay out jack squat! And just to tease you, the other option - Graveyard - is awesome as all heck both when it comes to fun and Heat/Crowns reward!
EDIT: And those damn lizards that eat all THREE of your Health Capsules but only returns ONE when you kill them... Damn 'em all to hell.
Sure, I guess they're a free ticket down one depth lower but that's about it. The "Treasure" part of the name is a joke though. You usually get the same amount of loot boxes on normal levels only they are spread out. The Crowns scattered around are just worth 1 each so they're nothing to talk about.
Graveyards may be tough levels, but then they also have a reward to match.
i love the vaults, i love them all... if only OOO Three Rings Give us More i would be more happy! ejjejjejeje GIVE US MORE VAULTS!!!
I agree, Treasure Vaults are very lame. Less crowns, almost no heat, no fun battles. It's even worse when theres only 1 or 2 people, because then you get a lot less crystal than you could get with 4. Besides, there's almost always one person to chicken out whenever they see a "?" on the gate. Graveyards are great (if you have the right weapon).
I almost always prefer to get Graveyard over Treasure Vault, but lately Treasure Vault has been dropping a number of tokens (Forge/Grim/Primal Spark).
I haven't noticed the Kleptolisks stealing more than 1 pickup at a time. I'll have to keep a closer eye on them!
The Klepto-majig-lizards steal a random slot on your pickup bar. If you have three Health Capsules in that unfortunate slot they all vanish and when you kill the little bugger he only poops out one in return.
Once, i was adventuring in teir 2. Having solo'ed a shock arena, i stepped on the elevator, with only 3 bars of health. I entered a treasure vault and read the sign in front.
"Enjoy the sun!" "Relax!" "You've earned it!"
Then i felt all warm and fuzzy inside and hugged myself.
I still feel that way when i'm low on health.
The treasure vaults give tokens a lot. And if you care about what items you have, drop them before you hit the party button, then come back and get them when your ready to get on the lift.
You had just soloed a shock arena, then stepped on the elevator with only 3 bars of health. Either you don't know that there is treasure and heal pads down the west passage after arena rooms, you were rather intoxicated in some way, or you are making the story up.
I have to agree typically not a huge amount of crowns or heat. Honestly they are only good if your in Tier 1 as that is the only time the crown or heat is worth it.
Now I have had hit the Treasure Vault and been loaded up with Tokens (primal, grim, etc...) which is a bonus. Only once have I seen an actual item drop which was a wolver cap. Regardless taking in account the beating you may get versus the amount of booty. I'd prefer to take my chances slashing my way through enemies for more loot.
i dunno, treasure vaults are ok, you get alot of tokens~ but as for geckos stealing your stuff, sounds like a personal problem to me~
I like grave yards too.I get a lot of tokens from treasure vault though.graveyards give you a ton of heat and crowns which is better than a treasure vault if you don't need tokens that much
I hate both treasure vaults and graveyards. Graveyards bring way too much risk that you'll be with a bad group and they'll all die, leaving you to solo four phantoms. Treasure vaults are just boring. You can try to mitigate the graveyard risk by running to the end first and then fighting back, but then some people get upset if you end the level as a way to narrowly avoid a group wipe.
Remember guys.... Riskers get more profit.it's a common saying.it's like the gold rush during the eighteen hundreds in America.people goes to alaska and mine there for gold.risks:killed by another guy to steal your gold that you mined or freezing to death.or you return home with no gold.the people who risked and won gets huge profits.
I hear ya', bro. Bloody treasure vaults gross me out more than anything. One time though I lucked out and stumbled into a plasma vault. The stuff fetched a modest price on the market and I felt like a contributory member of my community after distributing it.
You can try to mitigate the graveyard risk by running to the end first and then fighting back, but then some people get upset if you end the level as a way to narrowly avoid a group wipe.
That only works if everyone is in on the plan. Fact is, if you're going to fight it out, you need everyone to fight it out. You get one phantom per player that enters the GY, and unfortunately they don't leave if a player does. Honestly, either strategy works, but only if everyone is using the same strategy.
There's two perfectly legitimate ways to clear a Graveyard level. Plan A is full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes. Run for the elevator, ignore the enemies, hurdle the dead, etc.
Plan B is to stick together and fight it out. Room by room and inch by inch if need be. Which is not as hard as it sounds, if you're prepared to do so.
The key words there are "stick together". If 3 guys are fighting the zombies and phantoms, and one guy is trying to be a hero and wheeling out, all that's going to happen is that the 3 guys are going to get 4 phantoms while fending off the whole mess of zombies that the runner woke up. Then they're most likely going to die horribly, which leaves 4 phantoms to hunt down and kill the runner. End result = no-one gets out.
You need to figure out which plan your group is using, preferably before you even step on the elevator and not after you've already arrived in the graveyard.
I dislike treasure vaults. yeah, you get more tokens, but that isn't enough to make them worthwhile (not with current mat prices anyway). For graveyards, shivermists are where it is at. I rarely PUG T3, but even bad PUGs in T2 can be done with shivermists. Freeze the phantoms, run around behind the phantoms and whack with a charged sword, freeze again, repeat until you are through the GY. Then go revive the idiots who insist on whacking the phantoms from the front and/or fighting them outside the shivermist area.
I thought treasure vaults were iffy until I got a Cold Iron Carver to drop from one of the chests. Made ~650 CE off of it.
Tier 3 chests have a chance to drop 4 and 5 star weapons, so I don't mind when I get them anymore.
I wouldn't mind them so much if they would put some danger rooms in them so you have the option of fighting for even more reward.
Don't have a pic, but one time in a vault I got 5 forge tokens, 3 grim sparks, and 4 primal sparks. I also got a ton of CR (Same or more as graveyard and oddly wasnt soloing and there were tons of the biggest crystals. I think someone in the party also got a virulisk mask. T3 vaults ftw.
a stratum 6 treasure vault has a pay out of 5-6k
If it is, I need to get to T3 pronto. Enough time-wasting with Krogmo's Colosseum.
I hate treasure vaults. Whenever I am on T3 everyone is saying please vault and I seem to be the only one saying please graveyard. At least you get heat and decent crowns there.
Doubt it. I've been to a treasure vault in Depth 28 and the best i got were some silver coins. I don't think i even made 1k of profit there.
My friend got a Levi blade from one.anyone got something close to it?
I agree that the Treasure Vault should either provide more crowns or be renamed.
If the name of the level was, say, something like "Sunny Meadow", then noone would expect to get lots of crowns from it.
But the name "Treasure Vault" makes people think they will get nice payment.
Also, it'd be probably better if there were several "layouts" for the Treasure Vault level. They are kind of boring when they look the exact same way every time.
yeah, treasure vaults should just be renamed to something like "relaxing medows" or something that implies no challenge, and real treasure vaults should be much more difficult to get into and actually look like a treasure vault (golden floors, stacks of *unobtainable* crowns, lots of sparkly piles of gold etc.) maybe if you got an impossible arena (no heart generators after fights) then your next floor would be a treasure vault.
I think the treasure vault should be three mist because you get little coins...
I think the treasure vault should be three mist because you get little coins...
I'd expect a Treasure Vault to be a map filled with so many treasure boxes that you have to fight your way through them right off the elevator. Maybe even boxes stacked on top of each other, so you can't even see very far either.
Yeah. Most I got was an Iron Buckler. Dam. All you people are getting good stuff. I need better gear...All I see are people with really good stuff...no fair...I've been to the vault at least 3 times in the past week. Less than 1K from each...
I'm disappointed with all those who don't appreciate the treasure vault. The only thing it really lacks is heat.
When you add up all the crowns and value of the average amount of tokens you pull from those boxes, you definitely come out significantly ahead of the 10 CE cost. Always gotta remember only to buy the right mats though; just check AH when you're unsure. At this point, Grims and Forges are equivalent to 250-300cr each while Primals are 200cr.
(On a side note for checking the AH prices to make sure I was still accurate in the tokens are still worth a good amount, I never though I'd see the day when Sun Silver isn't the top mat value for Forges, never mind having 2 rivals.)
Sorry, go there and look for treasure vault if you really don't like them....
Cedekane, did you really just ignore my post and complain about them in the Suggestions Forum topic about Treasure Vaults?
actually there is another option on how to do a graveyard with 3-4 people and it works EVERY time as long as everyone listens to the instructions.
Here's the plan.
Everyone starts out together killing the zombies one by one until the phantoms start appearing. That's when you have one person stay back and KITE/ solo the phantoms away from everyone else.
The key to getting the phantoms to focus on one person and seperate from the rest of the group is that no ONE else is to attack the phantoms. only the person that will be solo'ing the phantoms are to attack them. This can easily be done with the shivermist, you can easily get away from the phantoms by dodging them and killing them one by one. Yes it's hard and takes practice. I have done it many times and I've done it in a stratum 6 graveyard.
I've been using this technique since beta. Everyone goes ahead and goes grave to grave fighting the phantoms.
In a group of two it's easier for both people to just go grave to grave then fight the phantoms in an area you've already cleared. People that have figured out graveyards shouldn't be sprinting through them unless they don't have the time for it, but once you got a technique and a party who listens then it's fairly easy. You can't slow down to much with the phantoms. I use an avenger for knock back and because they are weak to it, and I freeze them as well.
The only times I've died is when the party doesn't listen to me when I say... DO NOT ATTACK THE PHANTOMS.
I know it sounds silly to say that but if you have a designated person to attack the phantoms then the phantoms will stick with that person and the rest of the party can go unbothered through the rest of the graveyard.
When the party gets through with the graveyard they say clear and that's your signal to run to the gate. which can be tricky since if you run to far in front of the phantoms they either appear at the gate or way ahead of you the best way to do it is run then stop run then stop. That keeps the phantoms with you for as long as possible. You get on the gate... SUCCESS! lol.
That's my technique and it works with no deaths as long as everyone listens to the instructions, which most people don't at first until they realize how helpful that actually is.
it's sad that you all try to get as much profit as possible and not just relax and play the game
@Volebamus
It seems I'm being invited back to take a larger part in a conversation about this...not my intention...first off, you have me at a disadvantage, do you speak for OOO? Real question, I'm fairly new to the community.
I'll apologize again. This wasn't the intended forum, and was edited/deleted as soon as I recognized the error. I do respect your opinion, I'll address the part of my statement at which I assume you label as "complaining", which is that "Treasure Vaults" are not worth the energy you spent on them. You make a very good point about taking tokens into account. Let's say you get 5 tokens and trade them in for something like a bushy tail, easy 600 cr, already makes up for the energy costs. Your absolutely right. So now that that is out of the way, I'll ask is "Treasure Vault" balanced? Running an end level T2 arena I can normally get 1000-2000 in just crowns. This is before I take into account tokens/loot/heat. "Treasure Vault" can compete in the time taken to complete the level, but absolutely not in the energy spent/crowns gained. Fun factor/challenge is subjective to opinion, but here too I think it pales in comparison.
So if you represent OOO, I'll thank you for your hard work to a fun game. I hope you can keep an objective eye to what was only a suggestion, but I would also ask that you please keep your frustration in check and treat me with the same respect as I were the first person that posted this, unless given reason otherwise. If you are another user of Spiral Knights, I'll tip my hat to you and agree to disagree. My post stands as a suggestion...not a complaint.
-Ced
@MicoTR
No offense, but if the objective were about relaxing, I'd be playing "The Sims". Profit is king.
I love the treasure vaults. It's like getting the coin rooms in the old Mario games. T think that's the point; instead of getting the 'dreaded" graveyard, you get a pseudo-relaxing jaunt through a basically safe zone, Kleptos aside.
The trick to the Graveyards isn't teamwork, it's bombs. Fire bombs, shiver bombs, electro bombs. Status DoTs. You don't even have to have the 5* ones; there's enough bottlenecks in a graveyard map to have the group run thru a room with
someone dropping bombs, and everyone waits in the hallway with guns drawn or swords chagred. By the time they get to you, they'll be 1 hit away from exploding. I'm also suggesting letting ice bombs run their course while you explore. They cause a decent amount of damage on thaw, you know.
Phantoms? well...that's the one problem, really. If you learn to fight mecha-knights, you can fight a phantom. In T3, they're easier than mecha-knights, as they only have Gran Vogafaustafangs. Not mines, contact shock, or status-effect Leviathans.
99 times out of 100 I'll take a grave yard even if i end up doing it solo in t3 (which is pretty easy...)
but for that 1 time I'll take a vault, especially since finding a 4 star graviton bomb which I latter sold for 145k ^_^
Cedekane, to mention I'm nowhere near involved with OOO directly. Those who work for the company have a label under their usernames that state the position they have. Normal players have no labels at all.
Complaining wasn't the right word for you supposedly, but it sure is for many people in this and the suggestions topic. The problem is that the majority of complainers argue that the treasure vaults don't even cover CE costs, when in fact they more than do so since the average payout in tokens is roughly 3-5, in addition to the crowns actually dropped there.
Your mentioning of balanced isn't really applicable, especially comparing T-Vaults to arenas, which many players (remember those not frequenting forums are less likely to know the common strategies to do them easily) aren't able to do all 3 rooms and result in half the payout. Relative to most levels in clockworks (aside from Arenas, Jelly/Duke levels, and Danger-roomed floors) the T-Vault does rank high in relative Crown-worth though, especially when looking at how much time you actually invest going through them.
I die in vaults more often then I do in graveyards.
[Huggles].
what people need to do in graveyard is simple (when all you have are swordsmen)...
stick together.
any zombie dies in less than a second, a round of phantoms in three to five...
thwacking and breaking bones
I find Treasure Vaults have a higher incidence of tokens than the average level, but are not very profitable overall. I once got 5 tokens (3 primal, 1 grim, and 1 forge spark) in 1 Treasure Vault, no energy gates. As for the Kleptolisks, at least you can't die unless you do something very poorly.
My strat for graveyards is to run through everything, wake everything up, then set the world on fire. If phantoms come, stun and kill them. Phantoms are rather easy with their low health nowadays. I pretty much always bring either Stagger Storm and Ash of Agni, if not both.
i love graveyards. very good cr farming. but somethimes im with some people who just run through the entire place. i'm left to clean up the mess while they reap the rewards. tier 1 graveyards are fail for me. i can 1hitko them. well, ive actually never tried. but ive done haunted passage ways, and i 1hitko everythign in those. im tier 2 btw.
treasure vaults are boringish. it seems like theres a lot of stuff, but i usually only get about 200 cr. they should at least make most of the coins silver. youd get a decent amout that way. about 500 cr.
you know what I hate? Not getting either.
OOH! IS IT GRAVEYARD? IS IT TREASURE VAULT?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH GODOMOT FRONK IT'S A GODOM CLOCKWORK TUNNELS.
I actually like vaults. They're kind of relaxing compared to most levels, and tier 3 graveyards are just painful if you're with a full group of randoms, usually.
What I DON'T like are the vaults full of energy gates.