They should make the Winfinity that shoots explosions.

Naw, but it does need an upgrade.

I agree about the need for a five star version. I haven't even bothered with it simply because it won't be a viable end-game weapon (Admittedly neither are the Wild Hunting Blade or Dread Venom Striker, I just want a trophy weapon of the WHB after I have all my useful endgame stuff built).

Perhaps maybe three lines. A Normal, A split Normal/Shadow, and a split Normal/Elemental line since we also have no fast Elemental swords either.

Possibly have a small chance of stun with the Shadow variants, and a small chance of shock with the Elemental variants (It DOES use an internal motor mechanism, so Shock could be a natural discharge of the motor, and the Shadow could have a more unstable and vibrating mechanism that causes jarring and heavy vibrations on hit or some-such).

I have up to the arc razor recipie but I only sell them. Suprisingly high auction price.
They probabaly will make 5* crystal bombs and spurs, but let's keep asking just to make sure...

nice artwork

Arcmillion...

We need good, honest names. Winmillion just doesn't appeal to me, even if the sword itself does. for 5*, why not something more epic? I'm halfway through with Hurricane, my idea for the 5* normal blade. There's Gale Force above. Any other epic names people got?

way more than just a million. Sillier that winfinity.

I think that the 5* sword should be called "Fintactical" or something like that. The colour is light blue and light green and it's attack is a 6-hit combo. Charged attack is 3 projectiles aiming at the enemy (kinda just like the Divine Avenger, but more weak and fast). Level 5+ CTR: low. Level 10 CTR: medium. Materials to build: 20 blue shards, 10 scrap metal, 6 gel core, 2 silver coil, 1 sun silver. Hope you get my idea! :D

Really like the names popping up here. Anyways, finished me artwork for the normal version. Reposting the Gale Force just for easy reference.

Hurricane

Normal blade, continuing the tradition of Winmillion.

Gale Force

The shadow version. I honestly believe Spur should have a shadow version because of the severe lack of shadow weapons in general, and the fact that the spur looks great in black. The reason I made it with orange highlights instead of purple is because I'm sick of shadow weapons that don't look good with vog set and I believe that shadow weapons deserve some sort of status effect outside of curse. How about burn for this one?

Will attempt to make an elemental version if popular demand is high enough. However, running out of good color schemes, as blue/silver and orange/black were my two favorite ones.

I made this topic a long time ago. People bashed the Spur series and hated it. I am glad that your bringing this topic up again! 3-Rings seriously should upgrade the Winmillion to 5*!

...should be interesting.

Sorry for the delay...had to redo the color scheme twice after it kept looking bad. Can't say the finished version doesn't look bad, but at least it has some character. So, my complete art concept set is as follows:

Normal - Hurricane

Shadow - Gale Force

Elemental - Overdrive

Enjoy!

@Kon_Ron: Interesting names. I get the puns, but I chose to go a more direct route for my names. I look forward to your images. And as for why damage has to be normal + elemental and the like, I don't know. I chose the pure route for my suggestions. I think having the blades doing one type of damage and the disc doing another type would be just plain confusing, and would decrease the utility of the blade. Having status applied with normal hits would be unbalanced, since such a fast blade could become a status spammer in its own right, meaning that damage output itself would have to be decreased, making people unhappy about using it for damage purposes. Finally, having two statuses on one blade would be just as confusing as having two types of damage, and many statuses, such as shock and freeze, don't synergize well, leaving few options for such a combination.

Wait, so you're saying we should trash the winmillion, boost arc razor to 4 star, have two new 4* blades, and have different charges for the different paths?

I agree to the different charges for each path, though not specifically the charges you outline. However, I feel it would be better to keep the current line, with Winmillion being 4*, and just add two alternate color blades to match the Winmillion for the other damage types. No point in completely revamping a system when it ain't broke. Just add on to it and go from there.

I do agree that charge attacks need to be more unique. Having a single tiny projectile that does 50% damage, after all that charging, cuts no ice with me. I like the tornado ideas going around, but I think holding targets in place, in exchange for a long charge attack, isn't very useful. Why not make the charge attack very short, and have just one massive tornado (or hurricane!)-like projectile that shoots outwards and deals damage while applying the status effect. Three tornadoes is a bit much, and striking the tornado to keep it up would be a waste of time for any melee user, when they could be busy attacking instead.

I also disagree to the tiny chance of shock at the end of a combo. I'd trade that tiny chance any day for another tick of damage per hit or a higher chance of status on the charge attack. To balance out my conception of having shock on the elemental blade and burn on the shadow blade, we could have stun on the ordinary blade at a higher chance than the status effects on the brandish line. Keep in mind the brandish line does 2-3 explosions at 5*, and even with say, 200% damage on the charge attack instead of the horrible 50%, the damage won't be close, so a high or very high chance of inducing status would be the Spur way of coping. It would also help to supplement the fact that the Spur line, from Winmillion onwards, shoots projectiles.

Sorry for trashing your ideas malfa, but just was on a roll today :/ They're good inspiration though.

I like the way it makes enemys dodge... kind of defines it as a weapon. My vision for a 5* winmillion upgrade is something of a blue blade that shoots out multiple projectiles on the swing, that go further, with a charge up that does a huge projectile that goes further and damages multiple times.

Overall the entire series needs their charge to be powered up considerably, as its completely unviable to use. I'd also hope that the projectiles could be made to go further.

Speaking as a player whose first piece of 4* equipment was a Winmillion, and is still my primary weapon today...

If you're using the charge attack on a Spur et al, you're doing it wrong. Every weapon is suited to a specific play style, and the style encouraged by Spurs (and particularly by the Winmillion) is going forward really fast. If I'm in a group of four other swordsmen and we all start to combo the same poor Devilite, I'll be smacking it out of reach of even the Cutter and Flourish guys by the time my combo's done. Even better, the attack sequence is fast enough with the stagger on the third hit that once I catch them, they probably aren't going to be doing anything ever again if I keep the assault up.

It's a fantastic ambush weapon for unaware enemies, particularly turrets, and it's great for separating yourself and your chosen foe from the fray so you can whomp on it in peace... none of which, I think, can be accomplished by any sort of charge attack, given that you lose control of your character's direction while you're executing it. Not every weapon needs to follow the run-charge-release-repeat formula.

Now, if they did want to make the charge awesome, I would probably make the final projectile pull enemies into it, like a mini Graviton bomb. That way, I can set up my next combo (which is what I want to be doing with my Winmillion anyway) and guarantee a hit on my opponent. It's not something I would be correct in using all the time (just like using a Catalyzer charge isn't correct all the time... sometimes you just need more attacks), but it would shine in the right situation. Hell, if it lasted long enough, you might actually get a hit in on those dodgy Wolvers and Devilites!

If we apply this principle to the projectiles of a theoretical 5* blade, we also suddenly have a weapon that's REALLY good at what it already does: hitting hard in one direction. With a little pull, though, we're now probably comboing off against multiple enemies, which is an increase in damage output even if the damage for the strike itself is relatively low (think bombs). I think this takes the weapon in a direction that makes sense for its current pattern of use, as well as one that's as-yet unexplored by any other sword.

@Cogspin: Seems I was wrong in me analysis of the spur charge attack. I thought that making the charge attack more damaging would be good enough, as the ranged charge would be merely a decent ranged lead for damage before the hack and slashing starts. Though now, malfa's idea of a tornado-like projectile pulling in and holding enemies while dealing light damage sounds better.

The one misgiving I have about it is that it would slow down the pace of the fighting style, as the pulling effect would take some time to set up and confines you to attacking those monsters drawn in by the pull, lest you waste your charge attack. This means that you'll be working on a tight spot while all around, wolvers and gunpuppies will be probing you for weak points. And given the thrust forward with each slash, you'll be moving in and out of the clump of enemies too much, as compared to the standard pull and whack method that combining graviton with a sword usually does.

So, if there's going to be a pull, I'd say it would have to be a fast pull, immediately drawing monsters in, and the projectile shouldn't go a little distance and stop, but rather pull monsters in along its entire path and damaging them, leaving a line of monsters to tear through when it winks out, rather than a large clump in a certain area that you have to focus on. This lets you keep your direction and momentum, allowing you to travel around and stay a step ahead of enemies while working on damage maximization. It turns the charge attack into a good lead for arenas and crowded rooms.

And Stompadon, while I like the idea of the normal version having projectiles while the shadow version doesn't, it would make fighting styles too variable among similar strains of the same weapon, and getting rid of the defining characteristic of upper levels of the Spur line would make the shadow version too similar in playing style to Acheron, when diversity is what sets the Spur line apart. I'd also disagree with the homing projectiles. We don't want to make this sword into a gun, and the homing ability would negate the auto-dodge of enemies and make the spur quite literally a projectile spammer, even with the 1/3 damage. I'd rather have full damage on me projectiles and no homing, than weak damage and homing, which tries to solve two things at once but solves neither effectively.

My only reason for wanting to increase the usability of the Winmillion projectiles is that they seem to be nothing but a liability. If they don't hit the target you do less damage than a Levi per hit and you can't really use them as a ranged attack because every swing propels you forwards.

The idea with a shadow version is that is has a sort of 'negative projectile' that rapidly closes the distance between you and your target and prevents gremlins (the ideal targets for a shadow Winmillion) from fleeing when on low health. The idea is still to make the sword primarily about being hyper aggressive with the 3 hit combo, while the Acheron keeps its use as a flexible sword for either rushing the enemy or kiting them with its charge and the Gran Faust keeps its role as the heavy hitter.

All just food for thought though. A high damage sword that pulls monsters into its attacks could easily end up pretty overpowered.

At any rate, this sword is just far too awesome to not have a 5* version, in whatever form it comes.

can i haz it being matte black pls? thx.

@Stompadon: I agree that if the projectiles miss, you're essentially killing your DPS, greatly reducing the usefulness of the 5* Spur. But having them homing, in essence a guaranteed hit, would also be overpowering them, since having them in the mix would give the spur quite a bit more power than the Levi. I think it would be best to have regular hits, taking into account speed of swings and range of each swing, to have slightly less DPS, meaning a fair amount less damage per hit, and having the projectiles doing the same amount, non-homing, but travelling faster, which seems to be the solution to powering up gun bullets as well. Fast projectiles, but no guarantee of hitting, would make the Spur viable both with and without the projectiles. Might as well keep the shadow form the same way, as having the pull effect on a regular hit would indeed be pretty overpowered, and would be stealing the show from fellow swordsmen trying to land their hits.

@malfa: Having charge attacks last that long would indeed be way OP. I was thinking no more than 2-3 seconds the most, and dealing out all the damage needed within that timeframe. And by DoT, do you mean repeated attacks by the charge attack, or a single attack that leaves the target damaged over time? Because if it's the latter, it would tend to be a status effect to do that, while if the former, it would require serious balancing issues. I do like the decomposition effect, but it'll be a tad bit hard to pull off when the easier solution would be to make the charge attack stronger and last shorter. In a fast-paced game, long-lasting charge attacks will not be the preferred means of attacking.

@Streus: pull-in vs knockback has been going on for quite a while. I think the pull-in had some interest from the fact that it builds off a tactic that has previously required two weapons to use effectively. We have a good number of knockback weapons, with the new troika 5* line adding on to that, and having a sword that can pull in would be nice for a change, which no sword can currently do and the Spur could technically pull off with its whirlwind theme. Since we always have the normal attacks to knock away with, given the thrust forward and the wide slashes, there's no harm in having a charge attack that sets you up for another hearty 3-hit combo or a 2-hit + shield.

No offense, but the name sounds suspiciously similar to my Gale Force ^_^ Not trying to imply anything, since names can be anything around here. It's a nice concept art, builds off the blue theming fairly well, and I like the wind designs at the base of the blade. Also, pretty nice handle wrappings, something I didn't bother to do for my designs, but worked out pretty well for you. What program did you use, or did you hand-draw it? In any case, a nice, solid artwork effort.

In the above post, I reckon

Basic attack: 3
Charge attack: 4
Disc: 5 - giving a shock status effect

this way it becomes effectively an explosion sword. The discs should be normal in the basic attack, and the clouds in the charge attack (The clouds act like bombs, with a small AoE (about the same size of the brandish's explosion) - anything within them gets 100% chance of shock, The sword itself has a minor chance of dealing shock damage, and the whole sword deals elemental damage

They can have a reason not to have five star upgrade for spur *cough* Andrew Peng *cough*