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all this will do is cause OOO to shut SK down
gj guys
No, monkeyman. It will do nothing at all. And another no to you for thinking that OOO creates power surge weekends to cause inflation. They have no control over the market and can't predict what it will do, for one thing, and for another, inflation does not matter when it comes to selling CE.
*lower crown prices are better for them, because that means CE sellers would need to buy more CE from OOO in order to get a certain amount of crowns.
*higher crown prices are better for them, because people who get fed up with crown -> CE conversion rate and still want to play will just buy CE from them.
3R doesn't care which way the market goes. You are simply yet another person screaming conspiracy theory when really, you just need to "lern hao 2 economics."
less energy costs for elevators equals more runs through the clockworks, which in turn, means more crowns earned that will be pumped into the economy causing inflation...
*lower crown prices are better for them, because that means CE sellers would need to buy more CE from OOO in order to get a certain amount of crowns.
this statement is so utterly flawed... if 10 levels of the clockworks yields more crowns than selling it on the market why sell it if just out of laziness?
You were saying my statement was flawed (utterly, in fact). The question you follow it up with is meant to illustrate why you think it's flawed. But your "rhetorical" inquiry doesn't counteract my statement at all. CE resellers will always sell CE at some point, even at low crown amounts, because some people are either impatient or lazy or both.
This is getting somewhat off topic, though. On topic: The bottom line is the OOO doesn't care which way the market moves, and they're not going out of their way to artificially manipulate it. And guess what? Even if we were to assume that they DO control the market somehow with their hidden strings and dark malevolent ways, get this: there is absolutely nothing you can do about it at all, making this entire topic even MORE pointless! Amazing, right?! So yeah, while we're on the subject of "flawed statements"...
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less energy costs for elevators equals more runs through the clockworks, which in turn, means more crowns earned that will be pumped into the economy causing inflation...
Maybe, maybe not. Running elevators is never free because it takes time and no one can have more than 24hrs/day.
"lower crown prices are better for them, because that means CE sellers would need to buy more CE from OOO in order to get a certain amount of crowns."
this statement is so utterly flawed... if 10 levels of the clockworks yields more crowns than selling it on the market why sell it if just out of laziness?
Again, time is important. People who buy CE in order to get crowns generally have much less time because they work and earn money. If they feel that they can get to the fun stuff quicker by buying some CE to get stuff they want, there are a lot of people who are quite willing to drop $20 or even $200 on the game. There are a lot of people who earn $20/hr, so one hour of work, earning 7.5kCE, can save almost 50 hours of grinding out crowns at the current exchange rate and 10kcr/hr running gates.
Yes, it is very likely that when the cr<->CE exchange rate doubles, a large percentage of CE buyers will put half as much on the market.
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The bottom line is the OOO doesn't care which way the market moves
I suspect OOO does very much care and would rather have the cr<->CE exchange rate be lower rather than higher. There are always going to be a steady stream of people who get bored with a game and leave. In order to keep the player population constant, they need to make the game fun for new players. New players don't earn 6.5kcr per 100CE and new players are much less likely to get hooked on the game if they are forced to playing on only what the mist provides. More over, the higher the exchange rate, the less people run gates/craft with CE and the more people carefully use mist as much as possible, including using multiple accounts.
Since the release of the game, OOO has added quite a few crown sinks to the game, which makes crowns worth buying with CE. They need to add a lot more though.
These threads are always so sad, watching people flounder about for arguments.
Trying to make points from baseless assumptions and speaking for OOO.
If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk about it.
Simple.
This is partially the point I'm making.
These threads never accomplish anything, and while there are certainly throes of them for newcomers to slog through and educate themselves on the ancient debates about the energy market, no one should make any new threads about it because at the end of the day, nothing is going to change. The market is going to do what the market is going to do. Even if you know who "controls" it (be it the playerbase, for most people, or 3R as the mysterious string-tugging puppetmaster for a select few), the final word is that you personally cannot.
So, in summation, just go with it. Whatever happens, happens, the end.
Yo dawg, I heard you liked threads so we put a thread in your thread so you can post while you post.
That being said, this is a bad thread and you should feel bad for making it.
Does no one really understand that OOO can control the market a lot more than they do? They can control the supply of crowns by altering clockworks rewards, the demand for crowns by altering NPC service costs, and the demand for CE by altering - again - NPC service costs.
The reason they don't exert a lot of control on the market is because it's simply a bad idea to interfere too much in what is supposed to be a player market.
I don't think most people understand the only way to get CE in this game is with real money. As the game gets less new players and other players don't need CE the amount of CE coming into the game gets lower and lower and people use mist to get crowns. The system only works when the game is new and won't work when the influx of CE is low.
Raxxok is right, and frankly OOO doesn't give a decrepit rats rear how high the market price goes, hell if they want anything its higher prices, free-to-play HAH!
Nah OOO wants it so high that you feel forced to pay but of course "the CE Market is in the players hands alone" in other words they don't have to take the complaints as their fault for a cheap game developer move to corn-hole us into forking out cash.
Frankly let the prices rise, and as much as this will sound hateful, let this game die, and frankly let OOO keep going with their facebook fail game model.
You guys should have known, a facebook game last about as long as a fickle 4-year-old likes a certain toy.
so sit back relax and watch the game crash as the dried up market model dwindles into nothing, and OOO begins to beg for new players with ridiculous cash cow events, kinda like power-surge but worse!
just wait boys, in-time we'll see OOO desperation for customers. Because as more of the old player quit cause they are bored, and more of the somewhat newer people reach 5*, the money dries up like a prune, and with the CE market on the same slope it will be but a memory, like farmville, how many people really still play or even remember that game?
Yeah! Down with Three Rings! This economic system has never worked for any game! They are destined to fail!
... What...? What the hell is Puzzle Pirates?
like farmville, how many people really still play or even remember that game?
Yeah, seriously. How many people remember that game that's making millions of dollars with one of the greatest amount of players in any video game ever?
Naruchico, your post is so full of incredibad failure it's making my eyes bleed.
good, makes me feel good to see other in pain, when I just don't care XD
The company can indirectly control CE Prices. With every update, OOO can affect the CE price and increase or decrease the price.
Take these example
Vise - Added a CE sink which increases CE price
Crafting change (5* crafts from 45k crown 300 CE -> 5k crown 800 CE) - Lowered crown sink and increased CE sink for crafting. Increase CE price
Power Surge Weekend - Increase crown gain which increases CE price.
Battle Arena trinkets - They cost CE to make and people want them. Increase CE Price
Punch - Added a crown sink which lowers CE price
Reduce Jelly King's crown - Decrease crown gain which lowers CE price
To all those complainers playing the game for free, you wont bring the prices down unless more people buys CE with real money.
Complaining that is hard for "free" players to buy energy is something yourselves provoked.
In other words, get a job bumps! Why would paying players give 100CE for 4-5k crowns? You mad?
This economic system has never worked for any game! They are destined to fail! ... What...? What the hell is Puzzle Pirates?
Puzzle Pirates is a game with a *MUCH* better designed economy. You can't just slap a cr<->CE exchange on a game and have it work, let alone work as well as it does in YPP. When this game was released there were no where near enough crown sinks and material sinks to even begin to have an economic game balance. Since then, OOO added some important crown sinks, although the crafting changes in the 5/17 release was a huge blunder. OOO still hasn't added any more major mat sinks, prices are only above what vendors pay because the AH is too much of a pain and too risky for the vast majority of players to use much.
Whether the developers recognized their horribly designed economy before, or whether they just learned from the many many threads is hard to say. I suspect they knew it was broken before, but didn't quite realize the depth and all the threads have changed the priorities some.
i really hope OOO has stuff in development that sinks a lot more crowns, and finally has something to sink more mats.
If Punch wasn't such a gamble, we could have had a decent crown sink. As it stands, people have given it a go and found the results often disappointing and so concluded that Punch is a waste of crowns.
I think people would be more likely to spend crowns if they could guarantee the results, so maybe you'd have a sliding scale for effect(low uv cheap, maximum uv very expensive) and a choice of uv. It could become the crown sink that we need.
One question. What exactly are we petitioning for OOO(or even other players) to do?
-If they get rid of CE, then that will make people rage. "I had a hard time getting this far with those CE prices!!! RAGE!!!!"
-OOO is already going to add in more crown sinks, especially with the lockdown feature, so we can't pettion for that so much.
-OOO does not directly control the ce market, as has been stated above, they only indirectly control it, so we can't just petition for them to mess that up.
-If we did 'stop buying ce' that would defeat the purpose of the game- to build an arsenal.
-We COULD petition for some kind of a shop selling mist tanks for 4Kish, but that would undermine the game quite a bit, and would likely drive OOO into debt due to people not buying massive amounts of CE for runs.
-I'd rather OOO not take away power surge weekend. That has always been a fun event for me, and in the end, I make a huge profit off of it, even if the next few weeks leave the ce market a bit dry. So I'm not petitioning that.
-If we aren't petitioning OOO, then who are we petitioning? The OP of the other thread says that 'prices should be lowered', which would be nice, but I'd rather not petition for the people who PAY for the game to lose out more, just so the f2p people can have better stuff.
-People will always be greedy douchebags, so we can't petition those who are "selling CE! 1000 cr for 10!", to just stop and give up their half begging, half scamming ways.
If you can find something real to petition, as in, something that is a solution rather than a problem, I will totally sign it. IGN: Fehzor
They need a way for CE to be made ingame.
I still say anyone who spends over a certain amount on the game should get a ce bar that regens like mist.
I'm starting a protest to stop this petition.
Please sign my petition to end CE petitions.
If this post gets 100,000 likes then CE will be free!
on a related note, please sign my petition to end all wars.
the world told me if i get a billion people then it'll happen
Signed
Three Rings does a poor job of updating the game and still expecting players to pay more money with their updates that increase CE prices. I regret paying money for this game.
Although this petition doesn't have a solution, it should at least address some of Three Ring's fault and how everyone can come together to solve it.
i dont think anyone cares cause its not you usin dollars t obuy ce if your upset actually use money
Protip: If you don't care, then you shouldn't have any reason to post here.
Protip#2: Proper spelling will not make people laugh at mistakes
I face palmed so many times I think my eyes are gonna bleed. There are flaws in the game economics, but its not some massive conspiracy to piss off free players.... if they wanted to do that, they'd just make it subscription and not have to deal with this idiocy. They want a large player base, since its what drives the economy, and drives player activity.
Crown sinks in general don't work if they reliably result in permanent rewards. In order to keep seeping crowns out of the market, they need to be either risky or temporary. Otherwise your back to constantly needing new players who want the items given.
Gosh, the economy is fine just learn how to play an mmo.
"all this will do is cause OOO to shut SK down"
As if. CE being at 5k won't shut spiral knights down whatsoever.
"lower crown prices are better for them, because that means CE sellers would need to buy more CE from OOO in order to get a certain amount of crowns."
Monkeyman has you there, that was a completely silly statement. Basicaly, if I can do ten runs with CE and make more money than by selling it, then why sell it at all?
"Gosh, the economy is fine just learn how to play an mmo."
We can all put up with it, but we might as well try and fix it wise guy. Just learn how to post on the fourms.
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