U kno wat I played this game for 3 months and i never spend money on this game. Ok so if ur blaming that u spend money on this game is ur problem because their are many ways to make easy money. And really no1 cares if u leave or not so stop trolling this forums

If you are quitting SK completely then you can give me all your crowns and ce to fuel my addiction. xD

Joking aside, it does seem like a huge money grab, but hey I'm fine with it. I haven't paid one cent to this game and I'm still fully decked out in 5* gear

and do vana runs and the whole nine yards. It kinda is like a casino though, but just because you are in a casino does not mean you have to throw away

all your money.

I entirely agree on your last statement: "And the last thing that made up my mind was account security. The longer you stay in a mmo the harder it gets to

quit. 000 notes in their policy account security is the problem of it's customers and they can't guarantee to reimburse lost items/chars. That's not good

enough for me."

Kurapika

or how about you stop trolling this thread with your terrible broken english darktuga.

anyways, sorry to hear you're leaving laverna :( if your polaris needs a good home, id be happy to adopt it :o

cya

Laverna don't quit! who will pull "lavernas" now if not you? if you won't change your mind, I'm here if you want to gift a friend anything,
~Guun

PS: I honestly would be saddened if you quit it was always fun watching yo buyout auctions and put up bounties, alas I wish you good luck and good health if this is my last chance to do so,

Halifix.. Did you create a new account to say that?

I think if you are addicted, the right thing for you to do is quit.

While randomized, I don't consider the lockboxes entirely a lottery because it doesn't have the lowest lows. i.e. you don't get crap from them. Yeah, there's a chance at getting a rarer item, but for now no one can really say how much more those items will sell for or if you'd want to keep a rare item. If the lockboxes had the chance of dropping what that prizewheel gave us for using a key on it, then I think it'd be a lottery. Right now it's just random and you always get an accessory (all of which currently sell for a lot).

I'm sure Punch is responsible for a good number of UVs, but not for me. I craft quite often and I have so many UVs in my inventory waiting to be sold.

So if YOU have an addiction, then it's a good idea to leave. Addiction is unhealthy no matter what it is. But if you aren't addicted and are just under the impression the game is all about gambling and addiction, I think that's way off. It has some attractive elements and some folks may take it too far, but I don't think it's as gambling based as it could be.

Laverna already gave away everything.

Stop begging. :P

Why not just call it Spiral Casino or Lottery Knights?

Argh, why did you give OOO this idea? Now they will definitely make a casino in SK!

Sorry we loose a nice person here.

But you are indeed right, by not adding new real content to earn things by skills and instead more ways to buy things with money this game is slowly turning into a big show off richer people/adults bragging among poorer people/kids here for the free to play.

But in the end what could you expect from a company that most of their ideas are borrowed from nintendo (zelda) and valve (team fortress)...

Personally I'm waiting for either firefall, torchlight 2 or diablo 3 to be out to quit and distribute all my items/ce to the friends I had to fun to play with like you probably already did.

I see your point about a F2P game costing a lot of money, but I have yet to spend a dime. And I have a lot of game time and 5* equipment and all. I have yet to spend a dime. It can be done.

The only thing for quit this game for me its the lag.. becouse some times is just unplayable but i blame my bad connection.

With the long grinds for 5* I dont think it would be more "fun", but playing 4* might be, today I had a lot of fun screwing up a beast arena turret spawn, my teammate fell and me, not wanting to spend on revives, had to play this awesome bullet hell, with an alpha wolver on my tail for several minutes -the shield and armor were shadow because I was heating them, no idea how I pulled it off despite lagging out a lot of times (luckily had pills). That's the fun of playing a game, like many others that are pay to play.

The game has a lot of content (weapon wise at least), but it is locked by how much money you spend because realistically you won't be getting all that f2p, and if you do you were either extremely lucky or spent something even more important, time. Then at some point you realize how much it costs in dollars to unbind a 5 star item, it is outrageous, then start thinking about all the other traps that were put around you and wonder why are you here, and if you don't then you should.

Myself I have spent more than I would have wanted, but that money is already on their bank and I got the items I wanted so I'm just playing until I get bored of the game itself, which wont be until I get the grind minerals achievement at least (which is stupid I know, but that's my problem :P). Now there are two reasons to base a game so much on gambling, one way to look at it is greed to get money from addicts as much as they drop before they realize what was going on, and two because having this unobtainable thing (item with almost nil chances of appearing) provides a way to extend the life of a game beyond the point where you had already finished (in this case defeated vanaduke and got all skill achievements), proven by oh so many games that have done the same thing and worked. Now both are bad on their own way but meh, I hope their business is doing just okay that they can't be more lax or they'd start losing money.

It makes me really upset they implement something awful as this in a kids game. Simply because they know it works.

Most children don't have credit cards or Paypal accounts. I doubt many parents are willing to splurge endlessly just to keep their kids entertained, and any who do aren't responsible parents. Will it end up badly for the family? Yes. Does that mean everyone who actually handles their money sensibly should suffer because some idiot pushover for a parent spent their kid's college savings on Spiral Knights?

That said, if you think that you're spending way too much time and money on Spiral Knights, I applaud you for quitting. Hurrah for taking responsibility for your own actions!

Sayonara.

Thanks for the max shadow p/c though >:D

Lav don't go :(

well i'm on the other end of the stick haha, yes i paid some money to buy ce (and give my set a boost) now how ever i enjoy the game just grinding clockworks to finish the job (an endless job maybe at that) i may find the urge to buy some more energy someday (to help the devs how ever small the contebution it may be)

maybe one day i will use punch's service to put an UV on something, but for now i'm going to look for a high shock uv wolver (and if there are more usefull uv's the better but don't realy care) for now i'm more then content doing my runs every day with my friends and see each other evolving and trying out new ideas.

devs putting in this extra content doesn't change anything for me (all but more money gain from doing runs. if i find a box it would just end up in the AH for somebody who DOES want to try his luck to get a nice item)

now i know lot's of people are going to think what the hell is he talking about an other game for? well i'm going to talk about TF2 wich i kinda think is the same deal as SK. you gain stuff by playing and enjoying the game, what you do with the aquired loot is totaly up to you.

in SK find a box you can uncrate it or you sell it for crown wich you then use to buy things you want.
in TF2 you find random weapons and boxes:

weapons, eighter you hold on to them to use (or if your like me just to have every single piece just for the fun of having it) you can also trade them for items you DO want, or craft them into scrap (and repeat the buy thing if you want) or craft yourself a nifty hat (or buy a hat eighter one it's all the same for me)

however there is truth in your words, isn't this how the world turns? people earn money by exploiting weaknesses? but aren't we doing the same thing in a way? whe are "using" something a bunch of people worked hard on (and still working hard on it) and how many still complaign? did the devs ever forced you to buy anything with real money? nope...

but all in all you did make a fair point unlike the boycot topic wich imho needs more cheese to go with the whine, he complains about FREE updates... again i'm always botherd about this...
i bought TF2 in the orange box the same week it released (i initialy bought it for EP2) so you can say i payed about 20€ for TF2 and ive been playing ever since, did i ever feel quiting the game and never touch it again? sure as hell! why? because some weapons where just plain anoying (and still are E.G. demoknights -> still stand with this i don't like how they changed it's roll in the team from teamplayer to selfish prick. and airblasting, airblast is fine yes but not if you can spam the living crap out of it) but enough about that. back to the point haha even in TF2 people kept complaining about how valve turned the game into a hat simulator... i think they where just jelly because they don't have hats. eighter way i dont friggin care! valve did a good job implanting the hats (yes even the 3 sets... it's not THAT big of an extra you'll get because combining it with other stuff could be far better) so i ask all you people this:
why do you always complain about free content? free in the sence you do NOT have to pay for a DLC, the devs put this in the game but it doesn't change ANYTHING about the gameplay... so yeah i dunno but i still can't see why you want to quit the game just because of cosmetic items wich you are FREE to choose what you want to do with them (ignoring it and don't QQ is one of them)

and please except my apologie for the wall-o-txt/rant i know i can't stop people from raging about these trivial matters but in the same time i won't stop comenting on how stupid most of these people make themselves look

I've spent on this game, but it's way less than WoW and still less than Guild Wars "1" (when it came out) and Diablo 3 (when it comes out)...

I think I've read the arguments about time. To make best use of it, maybe an initial infusion of $$$ speeds you up through the "unprofitable areas" and gets you to where it's worth playing in crowns terms. Basically $$$ will let you bypass the parts where a weak-willed player would start to beg.

I don't know how if you're still reading this but I just had some thoughts on this.

I mean, you sort of imply that it's underhanded of them to 'trick' people to gamble away more than they realize. But to be honest, every other game company is doing the same sort of thing in some regard. They might not be making them gamble for useless pixels, as you put it, but they're offering them expansions and little extra bits of the game for minimal amounts that add up.

And when every other gaming company involves the same sort of profit strategy, basically preying on our desire to feel like we've succeeded at something that doesn't really amount to anything, then new companies are in a sink or swim type situation. The vast majority of the player base is the type that wants instant gratification for their efforts, be it in the form of weapons, maps, abilities, accessories, and the majority is the profit margin for the most part.

Now to talk more about the idea of "worthless" pixels. There needs to be some agreement between professional life (the one in which you earn money through a job, effort, and hard work) and personal life (the one in which you 'may' spend a percentage of your remaining money after bills on). Yes you may call it 'useless' pixels but couldn't the same be said of unhealthy things that provide temporary satisfaction? Drinking, smoking, other drugs; there are a lot of things that people do that really, if you were going completely for the long term, people wouldn't do. They simply don't make sense in a strictly logical mindset of caring for yourself. But people do it because they feel that it gives them a 'release' from their professional life. It's different, it feels better, and without it we fear we might become too work-centric perhaps. Perhaps we fear we'll become too stressed or fear that some medical issue will arise from the psychological abuse of always living in a professional mindset.

Maybe some people can. But I don't want to try and see if I can, to be honest. And anything you do to offer a 'release' to professional life will often require monetary investment, or at least time investment.

I mirror the concerns that if you believe the game is causing you to become worse than you want, than you expect, then definitely stop. The only thing you can really trust is how you feel. Though I believe you've already come to this realization and is thus why you've stopped.

Anyway, kudos.

gambling

SK eliminates a large portion of randomness for the average player. And that's a good thing. Anyone is basically guaranteed a 5* armor eventually without having to cop out and buy an overpriced rare drop from other players. Remember killing the same monster type over and over again until it dropped what you need? Running that instance for the X'th time for that elusive rare item that may even be stolen from you by ninjas...

Any gambling system in SK so far, bet it UV's or accessories, is for the people who want have money to burn (whether in real-life or in-game). UV's and accessories are both just elite status symbols, even if one is functional and the other cosmetic. Make people burn their money for a possible reward. Destroys currency.

Personally I don't remember what destroys a lot of gold in WoW besides the AH and skills training (Riding being the best example). Gold becomes fairly useless in that game anyway eventually because endgame (Raid) gear is from a drop that's bind on pickup.

I think the irony here with the beggar calling is that most people have not seen the size of my arsenal.

Also halifix is not me, we haunt #spiral-knights with the rest of the cool kids though.

Sometimes i buy $10 energy.

Sometimes.

Laverna, you made me go digging to find the address for something I read a few months ago. It's a good time for me to reread it anyway, so thank you.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3085/behavioral_game_design.php?pa...

The die-rolling mechanisms are a huge part of the behavioural programming, so that may be part of why I can't seem to get sucked in. I'm much more averse to gambling than most people, even to the extent it's unhealthy; I cannot even use the Auction House much due to the uncertainty introduced by the slim possibility of losing the listing fee. The only energy sinks I find myself interested in are crafting and diving to play with my toys because I have a guaranteed minimum reward that I feel is worth the cost to me. I will actually probably sell off a weapon if it rolls a UV, and buy a clean one due to another tic of mine; I'd rather have a more accurate impression of how the weapon works than whatever effectiveness bonus the UV confers. Now, if there were a way to work toward a desired UV or set of two or three without any uncertainty I would probably be into that, even if its cost were higher than the average spent for the same result by gambling, but that would actually cause most other players to spend less CE in the end because I am not typical of the heaviest-paying customers.

Behavioural programming is exploitation of the meek, but our whole "civilisation" revolves around ethically isomorphic behaviours a lot more than most are willing to admit. I've gone to casinos purely for the subsidised restaurants, which I'm not exactly proud to admit, and I've also bought (and still buy) products and services that support lots of unethical things whether through ignorance, ennui, or necessity. Our sociopolitical climate is such that some of the most victimised by that same manipulation will come out of the woodwork and give us merry hell when and where we try to discuss these things, (beautifully insidious!) and internet access makes it incredibly trivial to find places for that discussion if we give a damn, and I am grateful for the First Amendment, so I will not bring that here unless explicitly permitted by Three Rings- which is highly unlikely.

The industry has figured out that it provides a really good and reliable revenue stream in proportion to the development cost, so our boycotts aren't going to do anything unless we can get the teeming masses onboard. Look at the comments section of any random youtube video for an idea of how likely I think that is to happen. Our political climate is so deadlocked by fanatical party-polarisation that change for the better isn't likely to come from there either. My choice is to watch and learn what I can, since I don't have any brilliant ideas for a more reliably profitable business model yet. Punishment is a very poor substitute for reward in terms of reliable change when it comes to the sort of people who have a knack for finding their way to positions of influence, and I emphasise the latter over the former also as a matter of principle anyway.

I don't know whether it's Three Rings, Sega, or both who dictate this business model and am even more averse to punishing one for being bulwarked by the other than I am to financially rewarding both indiscriminately, so I still plan to buy some CE or something when my personal financial situation stops being yucky. I doubt we're ever likely to know the truth of the matter, because there are ways to forbid revealing such information, and I know how it feels to be bound by legal obligations to withhold information so I would have a hard time bringing myself to directly harm some one in that position.

Ok some stuff from this thread may be right, but it's the whole industry aiming this way,not just SK.
The only options are to live with it, or stop playing new games at all.

"However this free2play slowly turned into paying excessive amounts of money to just become better than the rest and stand out of the crowd"

That's human greed, evryone suffers from that.

Dude this game is free... You can elect to spend money if you are impatient, but you do not have to in order to play the game or even to get CE. ... However, a good 99% of the CE/CR I have spent in this game was generated in game not by credit card.

Wrong.

Every 100 CE used in this game is bought. Think of Spiral Knights as a fun arcade machine someone dumps quarters into. But some of them, they give you those quarters to play for them! And the person you're talking to was one of them. The biggest reason people buy crowns... gambling - or paying for items someone else gambled for. People like him are the ones making this game "free". Imagine what CE prices would be like if almost no one wanted to sell it for crowns!

Back on topic - I'm really glad other people are taking your post seriously. I was worried when I first saw it that it'd get drowned with childish posts & drama. If you haven't yet, get the contact info of everyone who you liked ingame & understood your issues - those are friends you'll want to keep! :) as long as they don't try to drag you back here or to another game you'd have problems with... Feel free to add me (link) on your Steam friends list if you want someone to talk to. That invitation's also open to anyone else reading this who might feel the same way as you did.

Thanks much for helping this nub with her armour choices when you caught her sneak inspecting you Haven. You could've been a snob but you spent time imparting some wisdom on someone who didn't want to go with the cookie cutter vog/skolver setups & I appreciate that.

Didn't really know you personally.. so can't really say I'll miss ya.. but I know I ain't be the only one missing sneak inspects on you just to see some real drool worthy equips & unique combinations.

=)