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Reviving someone else with your energy

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Sat, 10/08/2011 - 10:22
Irn-Bru-God

Ok, first off, I want to propose the suggestion that players have the option to BLOCK others from reviving them through energy. Reviving through health splitting still possible.

Some may understand why already but to clarify, it can actually be worse to do this to someone. As the blunt example, I got a paid for revive by someone and then died twice later on.

As far as the maths goes, he revived me once, and i revived myself twice. He paid the 5 CE fee whereas I paid the 10 and 20CE fees after...
Cost to him, 5 CE, cost to me, 30!
If he had just revived himself instead (he revived me, and not himself) he'd have paid 5CE, I'd only pay the 5 and 10 CE.
Cost to him, 5 CE, cost to me, 15...

I realize that I got the choice at the time to pay for revival and i have no problems under the circumstances above to do so. but it should be MY choice to pay for revival, not someone else's. It's a remarkable dick move to throw a revive someone else's way when your party's dead so that when you recover, their costs are up and yours are unaffected.

The bit that bites me really is that explain it to them, because the game omits the information about bumping their costs up. As such they think they are doing you a favor and when you get pissed off, they wonder what for.

Sat, 10/08/2011 - 11:05
#1
Antistone's picture
Antistone
Ungrateful

Yes, you are probably worse off if they pay to revive you than if they pay to revive themselves and then rescue you. But that's like complaining that someone gave you a free 5 energy when they could have given you 20. You're still better off than if they had left you dead and you were forced to revive yourself.

In my experience, this usually means that the other person has revived themselves twice before you joined, and they're reviving you because it's a lot cheaper than reviving themselves yet again.

Now, maybe there's some problem with griefers maliciously spending energy to revive someone who died when the rest of the party is already up and in good health, in the hopes of inconveniencing them later. In which case, you should definitely submit a complaint about that player. But I've never seen anything like that.

If I were leading a party that had been wiped and I tried to revive you with energy, and you REFUSED to keep your revive costs down, that would not make me rescue you instead, it would make me kick you from the group while you were still dead. Then you could ponder the question of whether my revive offer was in your best interests or not.

Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:34
#2
Irn-Bru-God
Urgh, yep.. same reaction

Urgh, yep.. same reaction "you're ungrateful." Ok, it may have been badly worded, but i never said I was ungrateful for it. I understand that the players think they are doing you a favor and that is the mark of a good community in a game. Thank all the holy shizz in religious texts for that.

However, what you may see as a need to revive someone, may be a situation that doesn't warrant it in the other's player's view. My problem is that the other player has NO say in the matter if teammate chooses to revive. BANG, it's done and you can't return it. If the situation didn't require it, then it's wasted AND the player has heightened costs through no fault of his/her own. Personally, I see that situation happen more often.

You've seen the "revive team" button right? 9/10 times you could get by tough spots without having to put all 4 players up (hell in a number of cases 4 players mess up kiting such that it's worse then when there's only 1-2 players on field). Wasted energy, bumped costs.

Ok, maybe a block isn't the correct way, or if it is, you can have the option to block the blockers coming into the party. Or a party(leader?) made decision to let it happen.

Sat, 10/08/2011 - 12:46
#3
Nicoya-Kitty's picture
Nicoya-Kitty
I've heard that if you get

I've heard that if you get energy revived, you can still get health-split revived if you stay on the ground.

Sat, 10/08/2011 - 13:27
#4
Kwizzy's picture
Kwizzy
I have a lot less fun when

I have a lot less fun when people hit revive on me or "revive all" the moment they die. It's almost always wasted energy - most people will revive themselves if they want to/need to be revived. And yup, drives the energy cost up for you if you ever want to at a later time... I always hit the up arrow on an elevator after that happens or am ready to hit "Return to Haven" immediately if I die again. Or even worse, the people who refuse to give up and keep reviving everyone... like at the end of an arena when there's just the one fight left, or those gunpuppy rooms :( This is the main reason I never do Jelly King in pugs & often "go solo" if someone opens a hard DR.

Talk to people before reviving if everyone's dead plz. Would love a confirmation prompt on that or something, returning the reviver's energy if you say no. Usually only one person has to, and it's better to pick the guy who might be able to rescue everyone else instead of whoever's cost is cheaper.

Good memories of times I was yelled at for not being able to rescue someone after they spend "all their energy" throwing a revive on me that I didn't want, in an impossible situation.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 05:54
#5
No-Thanks
Zelda

bump this ****ing [bullcrap] up

if im reved with energy i will have the decency to spend 7/8 of my hp to revive my party, even if they all die real quick
same for revive all button, in case i decide to wait it out untill my party is done dying

this suggestion will make things alot easier for the most stupid persons with limited amount of energy

u can go through all possible scenarios, in the end this will contribute the most to both party scenarios and abandoning partys for solo scenarios

im mostly interested in this because of
-the immense stupidity/stubbornness of persons
-shadow lair key donators leaving me a feeling of guilt/debt towards them, making it impossible for me to abandon them the normal way and abuse their free invite

inappropriately, ONCE AGAIN, id like to criticise the need for expensive keys in order to enter the shadow lairs

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/612714389982196688/DD6AA4B5352B9D01581...
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/612714389982202724/9E17A3741DB42C03FB2...

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 13:25
#6
Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
I'm actualy siding with

I'm actualy siding with no-thanks. I've been revived with while I was the only one dead, and people had the health to heal me. Now if what nicoya said is true, anf you can still get health split if you stay down from a energy revive, I don't really care about refusing revives. I don't think you can get split like that though, becuase then it wouldn't make sense for the game to take your energy before the person gets up. If you could get health split, most likely it would take the energy as they get up.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 15:22
#7
Severage's picture
Severage
@Orangeo:

I'm almost 100% positive that if someone split-revived you and CE revived you while you were still on the ground, and you click to revive with split-revive, it says something like "That is no longer necessary, [Player Name] revived you!".

~Sev

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:14
#8
Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
Wow, that seems kinda cheap.

Wow, that seems kinda cheap. "That is no loner necessary, someone has already spent money!". More often than not I take OOO's side, but not letting people revive players who are already energy-revived is just mean. I can understand not letting people refuse it, though people should get their energy back by having someone split revived.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:27
#9
Neodasus's picture
Neodasus
You can already do this way

You can already do this

way to go, guy.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:40
#10
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer
.....

A 'decline energy revive button'.

I dunno about the 'split-rev after been paid for' thing, because I've never been able to try it, but if that doesn't work, then +1.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:54
#11
Orangeo's picture
Orangeo
You can already do this? Do

You can already do this? Do what? That makes no sense, way to go Neodasus.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:59
#12
Antistone's picture
Antistone
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Severage, your description doesn't make sense. There is no "revive self with split-revive" button. As soon as you are revived (by ANY means), the revive buttons disappear and you can right-click to stand up.

I would guess what you're actually remembering is that you tried to revive someone (maybe yourself) with energy, but someone else beat you to it (possibly because you were lagged), and so it wouldn't let you spend energy. Which strikes me as entirely appropriate.

If you try to split-revive someone else who has already been split-revived, the revive icon doesn't appear, and you just end up attacking instead. I would assume the same thing happens if you try to split-revive someone who was already revived by energy, but you know, I don't think it has ever come up.

I suppose I don't have any major objection to refunding an energy revive if someone attempts to sacrifice-revive you between when the energy is paid and when you actually stand up, though I would have a slight concern that players would refuse to get up even when it is genuinely in the party's best interest because they're holding out for a sacrifice-revive.

I realize that sacrifice-revives are often a better plan for the party, strategically speaking, but any kind of revive is still pure charity, and coping with your allies playing less-than-perfectly is a part of playing any co-op game. You don't get do-overs when an ally knocks an enemy into you or traps you by freezing enemies in your way, even if it kills you and forces you to spend extra energy or fail the level. If you fail to complete the gate because an ally used an energy-revive when a sacrifice-revive would have been better, that's just another case of "the group, as a whole, didn't play well enough". I don't see what's so special about this specific instance of that problem.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 20:19
#13
Severage's picture
Severage
@Antistone:

"I would guess what you're actually remembering is that you tried to revive someone (maybe yourself) with energy, but someone else beat you to it (possibly because you were lagged), and so it wouldn't let you spend energy. Which strikes me as entirely appropriate."

So... I'm going to be honest with you here, I posted that and went downstairs to do some homework...in the midst of said homework, my mind wandered off as usual and I thought about that post. Then I suddenly remembered that *I* tried to revive myself with ME, not someone else. I was going to post a fix to that but it looks like you beat me to it lol.

~Sev

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 22:10
#14
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor
+1

I really hate it when someone revives me with energy while they're already up, and then 10 minutes later when were all dead just goes 'derp' and is out of energy. Do this.

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