Hmm. I did just check the CE prices and they are much higher (~6.8K/100CE) than they have been in a while. (~6.1K/100CE)

One thing I can think of is that the recent CE sale for 3.5K CE for $7.50 decreased the supply of CE today because people are holding out to buy CE when it is on an sale in the future.

EDIT:
Can someone confirm the truth about this rumour? This sounds unlikely and I don't think everyone should just assume this rumour is true. I mean.. UNLIMITED Cr sounds a little silly. You would sooner see massively priced items on the AH being bought out than a slight rise in CE prices.

Remember folks, CE prices were ~8K/100CE before the steam integration, so it's not inconceivable the market would push the price back up now.

Just because it's unlimited doesn't mean it's fast. It could simply be like a bug where a monster continually spawns allowing the player to kill it over and over to get 10 crowns every 30 seconds or something. It would probably take too much time or energy (the player's physical energy) to do something as simple and boring as that to receive at least a thousand crowns.

Ideal outcome: OOO steps in and resets the CE price like I heard they did oh so long ago.

OOO has never intervened in the CE market. Anyone who tells tales of OOO changing things like that is not correct. Feel free to debate the effect of game changes on the market though.

I saw this thread, logged on to check it out myself, and laughed heartily.

It was sitting at a nice 6100 roughly this afternoon before I went go play Sonic Generations. Now it's around 7000 per 100 CE. And OOO is doing what's amounting to be a "silent patch" at the same time, since there's yet to be in-game mail for what it's about, or a patch log posted like they've done for nearly the last two months consistently. That is, unless there was a glitch that they didn't want publicized out of some worry of further exploitation. If anyone remembers the crafting glitch from this summer, then you'll know what I'm talking about.

Long story short, patch'll fix the glitch, prices'll go back to normal. How fast that'll take is dependent entirely on whether or not those who actively participate in this glitch get banned or not. If they do, yay instant fix and an indirect manipulation of market prices thanks to OOO's actions. If not, then yeah it'll be a few days before they sink back to "normal".

if there is some sort of Crowns glitch, then i hope whoever tried to exploit it gets a permaban hammered on them, just like people who took adv. of the glitch where CE wouldn't go down this summer.

Too many of us have played too hard for too long, doing everything the right way for some to cheat the system by exploiting an unforseen glitch.
just my opinoin.

My innate curiosity makes me want to investigate this glitch, just for scholastic purposes. @Rete (or anyone) is the Crafting Glitch the glitch where CE was not used to craft and left normal CE standing? I know a friend who did that glitch once, unintentionally. However, this so-called 'glitch' seems to be a mixture of CE-market supply/demand instability... and perhaps not a glitch?

20 minutes to reboot.

On another note, do you think there will be a Surge weekend? I've heard that theory...

My friend caught a glimpse of a bid around 6700 at x478 quantities in the buying side. We've seen quantities like that before, but one free market proponent claims that those are just blips or i.e. extremities that will smooth out in the long run like I've interpreted before. Some people have said they are trying to earn crowns through the buying low and selling high method before just like say perhaps arbitrage. If I can catch a video right now I would. Even though it's down by 6500 as of this post, I see large quantities of people buying at the seller's top 5 asking price real fast. It's an ongoing seller's market. Okay, I guess the gap of buying price between 6500 and selling price 6800 has shrunk between 6600 to 6700 now. Sellers seem to be lowering lower, but they are not taking anything lower than 6500.

I believe it started peaking about 4:45-5 PM PST, about one and a half hours ago. I know because I went in for an FSC run and got my rear-hind kicked by the CE prices.

i heard there was some glitch where CE was not being consumed no matter what you did, idk, i was at work when this supposedly happened. So some "industrious" (read cheaters, lol) players purchased a ton of weapon slots, crafted a ton, perhaps sent CE to their alts, or mailed it to themselves, whatever, basically just exploited the pb&j out of the glitch. I know of a few "heavyweights" who got banned from this.--by heavyweights i mean top end players with lots of CE , UVs and Moneys before the glitch. i won't name them b/c naming and shaming is wrong, even for someone who is no longer around.

I think that this glitch (if there is one) should be treated the same way. They should get banned for intentionally exploiting an obviously unintentional glitch. IMO, they should dig a little deeper and fully punish the abusers (again, if this is really the case). I wn't elaborate on fully punishing them, b/c i don't want to give any one any crazy ideas.

I realize any violaters (if there is a glitch) will be pissed at me for saying this, but i don't really care. When (if it happened, lol) you chose to intentionally abuse the game for your own profit at the cost of us non-cheaters, you deserve to be banned, regardless of how much time and effort you have invested in the game.

but rommil? how is it at the cost of noncheaters?
Because CE prices jumped to 68-6900 crowns. Because items i wanted to buy on AH got bought out (like 15 of them. things i had my eye on for 36 hours now), stuff like that. thats how.

Ranzoh, what you just described totally sounds like what the guys did who caused the financial crisis.

If there were going to be a power surge weekend, it would've been announced by now. I don't think it's that.

Power hour.

Stealth patch was to keep people from trying to find out the exploit themselves and abuse it.

Well you reported it so chances are they'll just remove the crowns you earned from that arena. Better than getting banned but still a shame.

If you're lucky, maybe one of the techs'll just let you keep the crowns for being honest and reporting it? Never know.

OOO steps in and resets the CE price like I heard they did oh so long ago...

...in a magical world that never existed in this realm.

You're suggesting that exploiting a glitch once you've discovered it should just be a "reset button" instead of an outright ban? There's a simple concept you have to understand. It's not as if the bans that were handed out previously were unmerited. From what I've heard from multiple people around the time it happened, only those who were abusing buying items from Boost and mass producing 2* weapons for free essentially were banned, because at that point it's clear that you: A) knew about the glitch, B) chose not to report the glitch, and C) chose to willingly take advantage of the glitch, thus exploited it in a way to obtain goods that you should otherwise not have at all.

Yes, OOO may have been a primary factor in the glitch being available, but when you're morally obligated (and bound by the ToS at that) to report any issues or exploits within the game and you choose not to, then turn around and abuse the glitch to the point that they have to patch the servers twice in order to remedy the problem, then you also acknowledge and accept any of the risks that come with breaking the rules. In this case, it's best to set an example rather than slap them on the wrist.

"I think it's a little harsh to blame the developers for this."

First of all the whole game developers are human thing is kind of to a point. I mean really look at all the bugs and updates that threw people out of the clockworks messing up their money (especially since top depths of the tier are ridiculously non-benefitting and thats probably what one did that is in the clockworks before the reboot) / look at all of the bugs period.

And is it not harsh to out-right ban people? im not saying do nothing to the exploiters im saying give them starter gear nothing else so they can still play the game yeah there is a huge punishment but not as harsh due to it being OOO's fault that the bug existed in the first place.

Relate this to (IRL) someone going 100 mph on the road and if the person they ram into was going 1 mph backwards, the person going 1 mph backwards takes total blame. To yourself, this sounds totally ridiculous. Nobody should take total blame, just like in this bug's case (of course this is an opinion). If OOO passes out bans like they did when there was that one CE bug (which I heard) then its sort of like the thing i said on the road. You know yourself it was the other's true fault. While, when you look at the bug, really it was not entirely the exploiters fault nor OOO's fault that s/he exploited without reporting.

With all this to sum it up, I'm not saying OOO shouldn't do anything to exploiters. I say they should not ban them from their game because they themselves made a mistake. (My suggestion of punishment is take every last thing they have away, give them a proto set. They get to choose if they still play or not.)

I feel like you need to find a dictionary and look up the differences between "exploitation" and "mistake". A "mistake" would be OOO coding this erroneously to happen, or even a knight just stumbling upon this error and then not playing further to prevent any kind of trouble from happening or further glitching the system. It's those who choose to ignore the idea of self-restraint that get banned, and for good reason. I don't want to be a part of a community that supports the behavior of actively finding and exploiting glitches and walking away to do it again later. I'd rather be a part of a community that has two ounces of common sense and basic understanding of what makes a game fair vs. what makes it unfair. Again, as you said, it's your opinion, but I've got to say that it's probably one of the most pants-on-head silly opinions that I've seen on here yet.

Let's put it in terms that you can understand, since you tried to use an analogy that largely didn't make any sense in comparison. Think of OOO has the parents, and the users here as children. Children love rewards, right? Well, the crowns that OOO gives are symbolic of rewards. Now, in this analogy, let's say that instead these crowns are tantamount to cookies, because children love cookies. I'll make a chart in case someone got lost here:

OOO = parents
Users = children
Crowns = cookies

Now, the parents give their children cookies as a reward for doing something in much the same way that OOO gives us crowns for diving in the depths. But these parents are considered "good parents" because they've instilled the concept of not taking what you haven't earned, just like the ToS states not to exploit known or unknown glitches to acquire something you otherwise would not have. Now then, let's assume that the parents for some reason left the cookie jar out on the counter, and you're just tall enough to be able to reach it, pull it down, and get as many cookies as you want. By the time parents get back, it's too late! You've already eaten a ton of cookies and now the parents have to deal with you in some fashion.

With the children knowing and "understanding" the basic concept of earning your cookies, are you still going to sit here and try and tell me the parents only have the option of taking away the cookies the children love so much? I mean that's not actually a punishment because they're getting away with what they've already done with no repercussions essentially. Since they still get to play around the house much like the knights who exploit this glitch or others like it, yet they will still be able to run around Haven and play the game. On the other hand, you can always ground the child, which is a parallel to a "ban". Not only are they physically separated from the cookies at this point, but it provides a heavy reinforcer that what they did was indeed "wrong". Taking away their cookies doesn't teach them anything except that they shouldn't get caught.

tl;dr - Bans from OOO are more than justified in any case regarding exploiting a glitch, OOO coding the glitch plays no part in the user's actions since the user is not forced to exploit anything. They choose to do it, they choose to accept the risks that follow, and ultimately they choose to ignore the rules set forth. So they also choose to accept any punishment that comes their way as a result of that choice. I really don't see how this is a flawed concept by any means.

I got a temp 2 day ban, and a warning.
Most likely my crowns will be wiped and I lose 4k of my genuine crowns.
Nothing much, but was hoping to play on the weekends.
Oh well. Hope a mod actually replies.
Next time I walk into a room where my crowns gets haywire, I'm getting permabanned. Oh joy!

Again yeah it's mainly my opinion.

"A "mistake" would be OOO coding this erroneously to happen, or even a knight just stumbling upon this error and then not playing further to prevent any kind of trouble from happening or further glitching the system."

So then what exactly was this bug on OOO's part. I was calling this bug a mistake, when i said "they themselves" I meant OOO not the exploiter. I shouldn't have used pronouns is what it sounds like.

"I don't want to be a part of a community that supports the behavior of actively finding and exploiting glitches and walking away to do it again later."

Well what happens is they lose everything they have except for starter proto set and if they would exploit it or some other bug yet again, they would then be banned. I do not understand at all why you think this would benefit a player to the point that they would actively search for glitches. I can see why you think that its more about not getting caught, but really this lets some learn their lesson instead of not getting any other chance at the expense of some players tampering with the rules that are bound to get caught (please remember again that this is still mainly opinion...)

"Let's put it in terms that you can understand, since you tried to use an analogy that largely didn't make any sense in comparison."

Yes mine was bad I don't get it myself. I just threw whatever i was thinking up. I'll try again:
OOO = going 1 mph backwards /// accidentally has this bug
Exploiter = recklessly going 100 mph into OOO going 1 mph backwards. /// takes advantage of bug.

Sounds like Exploiter should take full blame, but OOO was not looking and going backwards in the first place (I should not have used 1 mph to compare, sort of low). Wierd this sounds exactly opposite from what I was saying but its stating how OOO accidentally had the bug in the first palce / in your case, the parents had the cookie jar out yet we look at the kid / exploiter to take full blame right away.

Soooo because of this, my opinion is that there should be one warning. A "you can still play my game but you have to start over" type of warning. Not a complete ban.

Ok this is what I am talking about.

We rush into pointing fingers. It's auto-matically Alpha's fault right? He was involved in a glitch. In this case funnily he wasn't even an exploiter. just some poor knight venturing into an arena, caught off-guard by OOO's bug (not his bug... this is where I am getting the partially OOO's fault in.)

Anyways off topic, OOO rushes into punishment regardless of Alpha even giving them a bug report then logging off right after

This isn't entirely on topic of what I think is wrong but woot woot once again OOO gets to show off how much they truly care about their playerbase.

Yes Alpha, I agree hopefully OOO doesn't let another bug through that you accidentally run into. It sucks to give them the bug report and let them know they need a stealth patch and get punished :/

"I say they should not ban them from their game because they themselves made a mistake."

I think they should. well, they shouldn't ban someone like you who got 120k crowns for a mistake on their end. But the poeple who stayed in the arena and wracked up millions and millions of crowns, (or came back over and over, i don't know how the mechanics of this worked), well, those people intentionally set out to violate the system in the exact way that the terms-of-service states you cannot do.

To take it one step further, i'd argue they made a contract of sorts that says: if you find out i did this, i forgo my rights to play this game. if you don't find out i did this, i just made millions and millions and millions of unearned crowns. (thats 1000s of dollars worth of CE, real life money, just to put it into perspective. Perhaps a felony offense!!!). It was a calculated gamble they took. And hopefully, a bad one.

well....rawr came off his stance a little as i read through the thread some more. So my posts aren't entirely on point anymore. But i'll leave them up b/c they have socially redeeming values :)