I recently got a sealed sword after some Jelly King farming, and I am wondering which one is better: Gran Faust or Divine Avenger? I want my arsenal to be as diverse as possible. I already have the Leviathan Blade, Umbra Driver, and Vile striker (working on upgrade). So what weapon will give me the most diversity in usefulness given the weapons I already have?
Divine Avenger or Gran Faust?
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 14:34
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 15:25
#2
GF is the only weapon that
GF is the only weapon that causes curse.
That's my answer.
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 16:03
#3
Faust and sealed sword can
Faust and sealed sword can curse as well.
Still I normaly advice people to go with DA, its charge attack is very strong and has no risk to yourself, meaning you can use it nigh constantly if thats your thing. GF charge attack, though also very strong, is risky.
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 16:45
#4
clarifications, opinion
Frostythepyro, Sealed Sword cannot curse. Yes, Faust can curse, but when a player such as Batabii says "GF is the only weapon that causes curse", he is implicitly including Faust.
Princeberton, GF's ability to curse is very cool but not really very useful. First, the sword doesn't curse very often. Second, curse helps against certain big monsters (Royal Jelly, lichen colonies), but smaller enemies die so quickly from sword damage that the curse doesn't even have a chance to do them in. Third, on charge attacks you have to worry about cursing yourself.
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 16:55
#5
he was jokingly right
Sealed can curse with it's random charge, just a 1/10000 chance.
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 17:10
#6
oh, thanks Jaunces
Sorry, Frostythepyro. I guess you were technically correct that Sealed Sword can curse. Princeberton, this has no practical effect on your decision, however.
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 17:21
#7
when sealed sword creates a
when sealed sword creates a red cross thingy with its charge attack it can curse, of course the chance of procing with any of the sealed swords status on charge is not great, but its there, I actualy got a hilarous freeze proc in pvp the other day.
Also mentioning the faust is important, I have seen it adviced to keep the Faust at 4* instead of upgraded to Grand Faust, because it allows for a safe charge attack, and due to the way weapons scale per stratum the damage difference is fairly small except for the 6th stratum (second half of T3) where 4* weapons start losing damager per depth and 5* keep gaining it.
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 17:35
#8
I like the DA because it has
I like the DA because it has a charge I actually use, and is useful to spam during those robo waves in arenas. I like my Acheron better than my Faust, but whatever floats your boat.
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 20:04
#9
Why not get both?
Both are incredible if you know how to use them.To start with I would get the one that reflects your playstyle.
Divine Avenger:
Pro's:
Normal/Elemental Damage
Exceptionally good charge attack.
Can be used more often,it it extremely powerful in ICF stratum,and is neutral in JK stratum,and is extremely useful in FSC.
Replaces a gun in many situations
Con's:
Beasts are incredibly annoying
Divine Avenger IS slower than Gran Faust (after using heavy swords for awhile,you can see it).
Low damage to Gremlin Menders
Gran Faust:
Pro's
Normal/Shadow Damage
Faster than Divine Avenger
It is the DESTROYER OF WORLDS in the JK stratum,During the jelly king encounter,all royal mini's are ONE SHOTTABLE.
Extremely effective on Gremlin Menders
Con's:
Charge attack is powerful,but it can curse you.Unless you are running four weapon slots,you are completely useless when cursed untill it wears off.(Citation Needed).
Only useful in JK stratum,unless there is another jelly stratum.
Low damage on fiends,and undead.
The real question is:Why Sealed sword series than Brandish
Pro's of Sealed sword series:
Knock back:these weapons give you some breathing room in tight situations.
High Burst damage:Gran Faust can single combo Gremlin Menders in T2 when solo or grouped with 2,or perhaps 3 people.Same is said when using Divine Avenger VS Gun Puppies.
Weapon attack is very fluid,and is easily predictable where your second hit will land.These weapons have some nice steering control when knocking back on monster and then hitting the monster behind you.You also get about and extra .5-1 second inerval for the second strike,making it easier to accurately hit anything coming after you.(With a slight Bias)
Con's of the Sealed sword series:
Even with it's high burst damage,they do not have the highest dps sword wise,which is owned by the brandish series.
Slightly longer charge time.
Mistakes can be quite fatal,if you miss,you are bound to get hit from the side.(Absolutely Devistating in Lockdown,which is how you get killed).
The charges on heavy swords are not AoE's,which can be a lifesaver if for an instance you are using a Leviathan Blade.
So that is my take on it,use the information as you wish.
That was a mouthful.
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 20:48
#10
*hurls brick of text*
Get a
*hurls brick of text*
Get a DA. It's useful in more scenarios and compliments your current arsenal better compared to GF.
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 20:58
#11
I've used both Faust and DA
I've used both Faust and DA and I see no difference in the speed.
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 21:14
#12
@Flists
I don't know if it is just me,but I have seen a slight difference with the two swords.It is a very,very slight speed difference.So I did some stopwatch tests,the numbers are extremely small.
I'll do a stopwatch test If you want me to,I would be averaging out around 10 numbers I get with each sword while I spam the attack button.With no attack speed increases.
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 21:20
#13
That sounds like a pain to
That sounds like a pain to do. I'm not saying you're totally wrong, I'm just saying I've never noticed any difference, and if there is a difference imo it's negligible. If you really want to test it that'd be cool, though.
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 21:34
#14
Tests are in
Gran Faust:
Trial 1:1.38 seconds
Trial 2:1.39 seconds
Trial 3:1.35 seconds
Trial 4:1.27 seconds
Trial 5:1.30 seconds
Trial 6:1.27 seconds
Trial 7:1.31 seconds
Trial 8:1.29 seconds
Trial 9:1.23 seconds
Trial 10:1.33 seconds
Average = 1.312 seconds
Divine Avenger:
Trial 1:1.33 seconds
Trial 2:1.37 seconds
Trial 3:1.43 seconds
Trial 4:1.33 seconds
Trial 5:1.37 seconds
Trial 6:1.35 seconds
Trial 7:1.30 seconds
Trial 8:1.31 seconds
Trial 9:1.37 seconds
Trial 10:1.44 seconds
Average = 1.36 seconds
Like I said;very,very,very slight.Negligible?Perhaps.
I am running on a pretty good system.It might be different for other people with near crap for computers.If I could get my hands on a lagtastic computer I would do the test on that computer as well.*looks back at the computer behind me*
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 22:01
#15
Meanwhile in Lair of Lag
Alright,laggy computer tests are in.
Just to tell you how laggy this computer is.on graphics quality low,you cannot"Spam"the attack button because you will end up charging your weapon instead after the first strike.Also note I am unable to solo Snarby in proto gear on this computer because he lags me so incredibly bad.
Weapon speed test:Lagtastic computer
Gran Faust
Trial 1:1.36 seconds
Trial 2:1.44 seconds
Trial 3:1.40 seconds
Trial 4:1.32 seconds
Trial 5:1.49 seconds
Trial 6:1.40 seconds
Trial 7:1.45 seconds
Trial 8:1.45 seconds
Trial 9:1.43 seconds
Trial 10:1.37 seconds
Average = 1.411 seconds
Divine Avenger
Trial 1:1.46 seconds
Trial 2:1.59 seconds
Trial 3:1.55 seconds
Trial 4:1.57 seconds
Trial 5:1.52 seconds
Trial 6:1.57 seconds
Trial 7:1.40 seconds
Trial 8:1.46 seconds
Trial 9:1.43 seconds
Trial 10:1.57 seconds
Average = 1.512 seconds
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 22:23
#16
@Ekita For the first set of
@Ekita For the first set of numbers you posted, the 95% CI based on the t-test is between 0.09 and 0.002, which is close enough to zero for me to say that OOO probably didn't make them different speeds.
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 22:41
#17
@Nicoya-Kitty
I agree that it isn't supposed have a max ASI difference between the two,but I am just saying that one sword is "Slightly" faster.
It wouldn't bother me so much either if it hadn't been for the weapon speed bar on Gran Faust being almost double that of the Divine Avenger.Which if I can remember was sent in as a bug report on the forums so very long ago,but it hasn't been changed at all.
Sun, 11/13/2011 - 22:55
#18
Possibly last calculation
Decided that adding the averages of the two tests would be a good idea because not everyone has super computers.Nor does everyone have lagtastic computers,but somewhere in between.
Gran Faust:Average of both tests:
1.3615 seconds
Divine Avenger:Average of both tests:
1.436 seconds
So,in conclusion; for now,for the average player,using an average computer.Gran Faust goes 0.0745 seconds faster than the Divine Avenger.If you like percentages,Gran Faust on average swings 7.45% faster than the Divine Avenger.
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 00:37
#19
o.O
I'm just going to go
o.O
I'm just going to go ahead and say the difference is negligible.
Thanks for the tests.
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 02:49
#20
Zelda
i suggest testing with ancient plate set
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 05:36
#21
Ancient Plate?
@No-Thanks:What would be the entire point of using the Ancient plate set?Are you talking about it being easier to record with a decreased attack speed or that the difference between the two weapons would be more visible?
The difference is very small between the two weapons.How negligible it is depends on how you look at it.Seeing as Gran Faust does swing faster than the Divine Avenger,it could be one of those lifesavers in disguise.An example of this would be being swarmed by jellies,and they are all syncronized just to hit you all at the same time.It is the difference that hits all of the jellies back away and not hitting you,and with critical hits,verses getting hit by 6 jellies all at once.
For the OT;Yes The Divine Avenger overall would serve you better considering you already have a shadow weapon,but if your into the habit of grinding Jelly King everyday until you get a fairly stable T-3 group,Gran Faust makes this a little easier.
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 06:42
#22
no difference in speed
I've done stopwatch tests, to see how many combos I could do in a minute, with both DA and GF. There was no difference at all in combos per minute.
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 14:22
#23
Hmm
I can't discern a difference in speeds. Might be better to try doing swings per minute, in any case. That is how swing speed is usually determined. If there is a 7% difference then one sword would consistently swing 3 more times than the other in a minute at 1.4s per basic combo.
To the OP... if you love heavy swords you'll want both. So get a Faust to quickly farm enough tokens for an Avenger. When you finally have both though, Divine Avenger will see more action than Gran Faust just due to the types of creatures and boss strata in the game.
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 15:39
#24
Alright
Testing swings per minute:Combo swings and Single swings.Each with 5 trials
Gran Faust:Combos
trial 1:59 swings,29 combos
trial 2:60 swings,30 combos
trial 3:59 swings,29 combos
trial 4:60 swings,30 combos
trial 5:59 swings,29 combos
Average:59.4 swings,29.4 combos a minute
Single:
trial 1:47 single swings
trial 2:46 single swings
trial 3:47 single swings
trial 4:48 single swings
trial 5:48 single swings
Average:47.2 single swings a minute
Divine Avenger:Combo
Trail 1:58 swings,29 combos
Trial 2:58 swings,29 combos
Trial 3:58 swings,29 combos
Trial 4:59 swings,29 combos
Trial 5:58 swings,29 combos
Average:58.2 swings,29 combos a minute
Single swing
Trial 1:45 swings
Trial 2:46 swings
Trial 3:46 swings
Trial 4:43 swings
Trial 5:45 swings
Average:45 single swings a minute
Combo difference:1.2 swings per second
Single swing difference:2.2 single swings per second
Anyone with the math decimal/fraction/percentage wise?
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 15:51
#25
on the last part, did u
on the last part, did u shield cancel or how did u do that?
Mon, 11/14/2011 - 15:54
#26
@ Irokwe
No shield Canceling
DA and GF are of different damage types, so they are not directly comparable. You want the one that complements your other weapons. Currently your weapons are normal, shadow, and normal. This suggests that you want elemental damage (DA) more urgently than more shadow damage (GF).