I love slush and hush puppies, too. But sorry, I could never ever kill a snipe.

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I want a gun based enemies tbh, like a mech knight that use guns or a stranger looking gunslinger.

Yeah, I really like the Slush and Hush Puppy ideas, too. At first I thought the names were silly, but they fit so perfectly. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if you could actually use the name Slush Puppy.

Mimics are also a great idea.

The bat suggestion could be turned into some kind of Silkwing variant.

The only problem I see with making monsters immune to certain weapons or weapon types is that you could land in a situation where you are completely unable to proceed. Nothing should be immune, but maybe very resistant or weak.

A couple of my own ideas to throw out:

Bookat: Initially invisible, but becomes visible when attacking. Becomes invisible again when it dashes.
Some kind of fire Kat. Seems like it's missing.

@magus - hahaha, I think Three Panel Soul has now been linked throughout the forums three times within the last 24 hours.

@Shroom - I like Bookat, too - though mostly because it reminds me of Mario. :p Black Kats are on the wiki, but they've yet to appear in the game. I'd love to see what they do.

Petroleum and Box Jellies already exist, just with a non-pun name.

Although I wouldn't have anything against some Aeroplane Jelly.

The mimic should look like a pile of armor, sitting there for you to pick up. On close inspection, the armor should be reversed.

What about a 4-legged puppy? Maybe a dog construct, called the fun-sized mobile puppy?

(/em wonders if anyone will catch those references...)

About the ideas, great till now...but i loved the mimic idea!!!^^, i knew i was felling something was wring with the world.

-Lesser Mimic: a blue treasure box. surelly, a noob mimic, that still doesn't know how to transform very well, nor have the patience necessary to do so (attacks any player that get's near, drops are the same as normal monsters)
-Mimic: the normal green box that attacks when oppened, that would drop thing better than normal monsters (as semi-rare monsters). It would be a great combination to an action button appart from the attack button, so you necessarelly get hit first by the mimic (or get out of the way quickly), instead of necessarelly making the first strike...unless the mimic is imune to the first strike.
-Greater mimic: A red treasure boxes, that really is proud of it's powers. It turns red because they know that knight will come fight him for their rarer drops, and knows that reds make them looks more slim and gracious (what?)
-Professor mimic: Chalenge room!!! Think about big golden/silver/copper/anything box in the midle of a room, with many blue and some green boxes taking the scene. As soon all player enters, and hits the switch, every chest turns out to be a mimc (no red chests in this room, it would be far to overpower), and the battle should go this way. During the battle, if the boss mimic is alone, it should return to box state (sometimes, not always), stay that way for some time, invunerable, and recover some health, as some blue and (rarelly) green mimics fall from the sky in the field. To ensure that players don't use this to make money in the same room over and over, the spawned mimics should only give hearts and power ups, very rarelly, and health pokeballs should fall only from green ones. The rewards should be a chance of exclusive drop (the theachers helmet, a squared helmet with a clover printed in every face besides the front, that smally upgrades the chances of a rare drop from mimics when this iten is at level 10), and more moeny and heat than usual.

-Jelly master: Boss. A huge round blob with hands, that can create squared jellys to attack as projectiles in the players. The spawned jellys should not drop anything, should only be pink one, with less health (because they where tossed), and could be relfected with a shield, probably doing a little damage in the boss (or making so it becomes vulnerable to a high combo after some reflectings). When low on health, he could wave both his arms and strike them on the floor, making damage waves where the hand lands, and droping some jellys in random directions.
-MF jelly: My first jelly. it should be something like: one hit and you killed it. But this jelly actually stops some projectiles from hitting you (if you put it between you and the projectile), and would do almost, if none, damage.

-Animated weapons: of any kind, the bigger, the stronger. Rapiers, longswords, hatchets, warhammers, proton cannons, anything that fits your mind. Bombs should be the sacrifists...kill them quick, or they will leave this world with your rewards.

-Helpfull monsters: those healing dogs really are something..unexpected (i almost killed my first before realising that the where friendly), and more like they shouold be done. Maybe a cannibal jelly, that only attacks jellys, a goblin mage that receives damage from spikes and othe traps, and is sick of how he is treated, so he decides to help you kill everything, or one of those little cutie birds, that are invunerable to your attacks, and should be used to pass some puzzles.

And...that's all for now

though every kleptolisk and gun puppy would not be able to cause damage, only status, or they would cause a rather insignificant amount of damage, that upgrades athe deeper you are.

also, as a side note: there would be great if we had to fight a sub-boss every time before a middle home lift, and a boss before a city lift (like the passage through haven -> moorcraft: you fight a random sub boss, based on the actual or previous map that you are/where, and a boss right before the city gate, but after the second home lift (so, yes, there would be one more extra level between these). This boss would be based on the city, ass the level too, maybe some kind of kat boss, or zombie boss).

....puppys that shot litle @#$%$&*?...actually, i find it rather funny..it could be like a profanity laser, that have a small chance to curse for some time, with some funny sounds while it is being shot >_<

neve,i say,never,i heard anything about any one of those games (and i`m quite old in videogames and general games)...

Mimics are not pile of armors that turn out to be a monster. If you ever heard about dungeon and dragons, you should know that a mimic is any methamorph that attain the form of any kind of treasure recipient, so they can wait till an unaware adventurer comes, and finish being its meal. Most know enemies of RPG, like jellys and mimics,arederivates from famous monsters from dungeon and dragons.

more or less this: the monsters would only rreceive damage if all of them are attacked in a short period of time between them...aming it almost instant qhen there are 4 players, and slowly when soloing. Soloing would be quite hard till you get the gist of stop attacking the one you just attacked to go attack the other ^^

it looks more like dungeone explorer rpgs...dungeon crawlers are caracterized by realt ime fights, where you can simply evade attacks by going out of the way yourself...Kingdom hearts could be considered a dungeon crawler, if it didn't have to much rpg mechanics as it have now (leveling by killing monsters over and over, grinding, skills clearly divided by level reqs, as you gain then by leveling, and the strenght of the square-enix logo, mother of one of the best rpg series of all time).

as i know, squaresoft where one of the worst game companies at the time, and where at the verge of ending, when they created their last game, just for fun, and decided to call it Seyken Densetsu (final fantasy), as their last project in their life...but discovered that their last game was a big sucess, thus beggining their RPG creation.

Square-enix is the same as ssquaresoft where, with people from enix...two big RPG companies at the time, and created some great games, namelly saying, FF12 (good lore, interesting battle system, good graphics, nice gameplay, secrets enough, flexibilitty on making your character skills, and so on), Dragon quest 8 (good old gameplay with better graphics, lots of secrets, hard secret bosses, the same grinding than the other in the series (this is a bad point), and graphics made by Akira Toryama himself (don't know if i mispelled the second name), creator of dragon ball (to those whodon't know), Kingdom hearts (don't remember if the first was enix too, but i'm sure that the next ones are from S-E, and also, i liked more the 2 than the 1), Dirge of Cerberus and Crisis Core, along with Dissidia and final fantasy crystal chronicles for ds, an final fantasy online free to play that is undergoing beta tests, final fantasy tatics advance A2, and so on and on.

"MODERN IDEAS?" i'm saying to others to take them out, not to implement them! i'm an old player, from the times of the ATARI, and thus i know how games used to be fun to play, with low graphics but interesting gameplays. I'm talking about zelda: link to the past, at most, as a reference to be followed by this game, and not the ocarina of time, that ahead of itself have some things that should not be followed here.

RPG: Role Playing Game: a game where you take the control of one character's life, and make his actions, make his history, act as if you where him, in his world. Pen and paper RPGs are the original RPGs, but, seeing how games now are widelly played by the masses, adding one more genre would be silly, seing that the stand alone RPGs (aka eletronic RPGs) had most of the characteristics of a Pen and Paper RPG: leveling, the control of one character with an history, the player making choises that change the outcome of some events, wide areas to explore, and so on, so adding those games at RPG seemed more correctly. Now comes the online ones, the so called MMOs. Some are labeled as RPGs, because of the same motives as the eletroic ones, and some are wrongly called rpgs by people that don't understand a thig about it.

Dungeon Crawlers are characterized by the fact that you, most of the time, fight your way in dungeons/fields, for loot and fame. You can consider dungeon crawlers as a branch of rpg, where you do control an character, maybe with history (not always), where leveling is not that important, and where your actions don't change the outcome of the events at all (you can say that choosing to go to the trapped door is an change in outcomes for you, but it isn't for the others. you dying means nothing to the others, and that door will still be there...unless the programers thought about an system that disarms the traps when someone trips on it). RPGs are caracterized by the slow paced system (even if you have only fractions of second to think about what to use, you can do it fixed in the same place, because, even if you move, there are chances of hitting and missing), and dungeon crawlers are caracterized by a more fast pace system (even if you have 1 minute to think your strategies, the outcome of an attack hit will be decided by how fast you get out of the way, and not by a random variable).

Just to remove the main idea from the mass of my thoughts: RPGs are characterized by the fact that they focus more on the history, while dungeon crawlers focus more on the fight, gameplay itself (you can't disagree that zelda is a dungeon crawler...mainly the first...as you begin simply nowhere, and star acting, and have low portions of history, and final fantasy don't have a so fast paced action, but focus higly on the history of the game itself).

Finally, just adding to one coment: I'M AN OLD GAMER, FOR SOMEONE SAKE...don't say that i'm putting "modern ideas"...as i will be sure to put only the most interesting ones that can be used widelly in the game itself in the suggestions, and will surelly leave those new failed concepts to the winds. I'm not against new ideas, but i sure know how to pick good new ideas from the mob of new ideas, and leave those faulty one that destroys the gameplay alone, and i will surelly agree with an old functional system if it is implemented (and i notice it).

I will see if i can play some of this nethack...and see what i can say about it...

Adding to the saying of square making some other games: Yes, they where good before, actually too good, but wasn't the entrance of enix that disvirtued it, but the fact that it was affected by the "game capitalism ill", before buying enix and adding it's name to his own, to attract more players. It began to turn an entirelly only for income company, thus producing some frankensteins...that aren't the fault of enix, but fault of everyone there. The last games are characterized by this ill, that affects, sooner or later, every game company, and thus make then fall (but some companies are strong enough to stand ground longer). To tel the thruth, Squaresoft was a capitalist company even since the release of final fantasy 1, when they saw the big money, but they focused in producing contents that tok their players, so they could sell more. The only problem now is that they are targeting the money spenders gamers, so they can have a bigger income, and thus, faulting in history, and making big and long CGs with good graphics so people stay amused with the graphics..strong issue nowsdays (that's why i simply venerated capcom when they released Megaman 9 with those graphics...because they showwed that graphics don't make a game!!!)

Loggin out, waiting for your answer disagreeing with me (and legend of mana and the mana series are RPGs, because they focus more on the history rather than the fighting itself, even if the fight system is more likelly to be used at DCs, because this kind of gameplay don't count enough to characterize a game genre).

you simply told me, not directly, but meant it, that i don't know a simple thing of the area of gameplay that i know the most, and that i like the most.
1. i wrote a lot because i wasn't able to resume things because i needed to put some things completelly to you
2. no, we shouldnt. i would discuss this via pm, if we had this system, but simply adding a topic for this isn't worth, thus, people that don't have a thing about what we are discussing will simply skip my posts, and thus yours, that say about this discussion, mainly because the lenght of what i just wrote.
3. aren't awfull at all, because i simply consider EVERYTHING in a game, from gameplay, to history, and so on, without comparing to the "gold times". FF12 have a good gameplay, and the trainign system for skills was something that i liked, and still llike in most of the final fantasy games. DQ8 is funny at some parts, and required me to think and explore, and to pay attention in the history to advance, and have a lot of extras that i liked. Dirge of cerberus was good not because the history, but i simlpy loved how SE handled the shoting system to an originally RPG game, still letting some things from the rpgs in action. thus, it have nice extra missions, a lot of chalenging parts, and the EX hard mode, where the fact of you oppening your inventory don't stops the gameplay was well thought. Crisis core...well, i simply put it because i loved mostly the history, and because i love FF7. Dissidia is a good fighting game with characters of FF series. i simply liked the way they handled specials, the fast paced battles, and some easy to use commands, and also some ways to customize your character's habilitys. Final fantasy christal chronicles is good because it goes out of the stopped gameplay from other FFs, and goes to a more active gameplay (and beinga able to play partying with your friends is a bonus). final fantasy advance A2, i simply loved it because it was a sequel of the ivalice project (FF12), with a linear history, and because it made me remeber the old days of FF tatics, with new imprvments (of course, with new failures too). i will refrain from tlking about the online one, because it simply doesn't fit here.
4.they didn't had to merge with enix, enix needed to merge because of their cash problems, and sqaure simply took advantage as a way to make more money (capitalist company)(i don't think that the movie was that bad to their moneybank. of course fans think this way, because they simply hated it, but people that never heard about, or simply known only the name, liked...but i must agree that a lot of thing in that movies are wrong, beggingin with the title). I don't follow the news from square since i noticed how capitalist it was turning to be, so i didn't had even the chance to know about the people laeaving. I will see about it later, though.
5.But you forget to say that now my definition is correct: RPG is both a main and a sub, where RPG sub is the game more focused in history, while dungeon crawler is more focused with the gameplay itself, most of the times ignoring great parts of the history.

it was not a disapoint at all...you didn't disagreed with me at most (besides the games from SE)...it would be a disapointment if you did disagreed with everything, instead to critiquize it a cetain way.

Moving on briskly from that interlude...

I love Slush Puppies and Hush Puppies. They amused me.

I'd love 'rare bosses' to be less, well, rare. A way of not doing this is just to make a few more of them. It's doubly good because you won't see the same one as often and it freshens the game up more, makes it more interesting.

A super-jelly of some kind would be amazing, it's special attack sends out mini-jellies in the same way a spiked ooze [could someone tell me the proper term?] sends out spikes. Being large, an over-use of the stun ability would be fantastic.

Also, a rogue spiral knight who appears like a Devil to fight. He would have the maximum health of a spiral knight and an unbreakable shield. I'm sure someone could think of a way to make this more interesting ^^ He'd over-use fire too of course, potentially his shield setting people on fire on contact.