I have asked tons of players and they all agree the current shadow bombs SUCK
graviton vortex, srsly? it does no damage and no one wants it. my idea is:
A new bomb in the shivermerst type family but its shadow and deals very weak curse
Because if it dealt strong curse that would be crazy unfair.
Devs plz take into what i am saying and ya know....DUMP THE GRAVITON
FOR PETES SAKE NEW SHADOW BOMBS!!!
Thu, 01/12/2012 - 17:27
Thu, 01/12/2012 - 18:24
#2
im fine
im just so sick of the expansions on all other bombs and nothing has been done for the poor ol shadow dmg
Fri, 01/13/2012 - 01:21
#3
Should come a run with me
Should come a run with me sometime, I'll show you how a Graviton can kill a group faster than a swordy can. There's no other shadow bombs /because/ the current shadow one is sufficient. If you have trouble using it efficiently, then simply ask someone for advice, don't complain and ask for new stuff. The whole point of bombs is that they're diversified and unique in their applications. If you a handful of weapons that deal different damage but are otherwise the exact same, become a swordy. If you wanna use bombs, then get used to using different deployment techniques for each bomb.
There is a thread on the arsenal board exclusively for Bombers, and a lot of pros discuss bombs there. Anyone will happily explain to you what to do, just don't assume it sucks and whine and complain about it.
Also, should point out that adding a shadow type haze bomb will not solve your woes in terms of shadow bomb damage; hazes are far, far outdamaged by vortexes as it is, and if it was weak curse, the bomb would be entirely unused.
Fri, 01/13/2012 - 04:28
#4
Well
I think there should be a bit more damaging bombs in general.
I'm not here to say graviton is a bad shadow bomb. It's my favorite bomb next to my nitronome. It's a beast and I love it, both in utility and damage, but that's besides the point. Just because it's useful, doesn't mean there shouldn't be other bombs.
For example, just because we have damaging bombs, doesn't mean the sunshards bomb line shouldn't be upgraded. Sure, we have what we have, but having more doesn't hurt right?
I wouldn't mind some more damage related bombs, and a shadow one on top of that would be pretty awesome. Maybe Ol'King Gremmykins, whenever he comes out, will bring forth such a bomb.
Fri, 01/13/2012 - 04:48
#5
To be honest, I think bombs
To be honest, I think bombs are the most complete set of weaponry in the game.
We have straight up damage/KB bombs for raw dps.
We have soft-punch damage bombs for group work.
We have implosion damage bombs for crowd control and damage mixtures.
We have haze bombs for status effects and crowd control, and we have every status effect (excluding sleep and curse) within that margin, to boot.
We really don't need more damage bombs or we'll lose that vibe of utility that we have.
Swordies are the ones all about "we need more damage swords, for this, that and the next thing"; that's all their weapons do. Damage, damage damage. Guns have a bit more introduction to statuses, but bombers have that flavour of real maniuplation and control that other weapons don't have. Introduce a spam of damage bombs for everything and there'll be no need to use all our special bombs.
If you just want raw damage, go a swordy; bombers are about more than that.
Fri, 01/13/2012 - 05:08
#6
-sigh-
Well, who said the bomb needs to be RAW MASTER POWER.
Just something that would be useful.
For example:
Mines/Spider mines. Monster touches it it explodes/Gets near it then it'll lunge at it and explode.
Quake bombs. Sits there doing steady damage to everything around it for around 4-8 seconds, doing damage every 2. Every burst of damage will do maybe a single shot of the blaster line in damage.
Bouncing Betty-like bombs. Shoots bombs outwards that explode, but only the explosions do damage, therefore there'd be a larger radius then most bombs, but it'll have a decent radius near the center that won't hurt a thing. Good for range, but not for things in your face.
These wouldn't have to be extreme damage, and would bring a vast amount of utility.
I mean, if you hate change and improvement to your weapon of choices game play, that's you man.
Fri, 01/13/2012 - 05:11
#7
You have a habit of inferring
You have a habit of inferring and assuming something out of nowhere, or did I just do something to offend you?
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/40193
I'm game for new bombs, but asking for a bomb to just deal raw shadow damage becasue the current shadow damage bomb "isn't good enough" is just a lack of creativity or experience on their part. I rarely find myself in a situation that isn't solvable by current bomb loadouts, and there's never any time where damage just isn't high enough.
So, if you do add a raw shadow damage bomb, who'll ever, ever use graviton vortex again? No one. Becasue the people who complain about graviton are the people who like simple "raw damage", rather than creative weapon deployment.
But just new, creative bombs/weapons in general? Sounds like a great plan to me. But then again, that's not what you said; i commented on yoru "there should be more damaging bombs in general" to which, I believe the current bombs are far more than sufficient at damaging.
Fri, 01/13/2012 - 05:18
#8
Actually, the opposite.
I thought I said something that offended you, which is simply a misconception.
Which, I can see what you said, because I didn't specify on my "damaging bombs" it made it sound like "shahduw nitrahknomez plz". Therefore, that made me sound ignorant to the bombs that exist as is.
I'm just talking about bombs that are made for being used for damage, and not for status ailment. Graviton being one of those bombs, because I use that bomb all the time with my Nitronome to create a combo of blowing everything away in a controlled direction, and crippling their health and keeping them away from my team mates in a safe way.
Apologies for not specifying at the start.
Fri, 01/13/2012 - 05:23
#9
Well then...that's settled, I
Well then...that's settled, I guess o_o
I would like to see more different and interesting bombs, but I'm in no hurry becasue I'm personally very happy with the current bomb loadout and think it's well balanced and fun to use; I think gunners need attention before we do.
I don't think a curse haze bomb would do enough justice, tbh. I mean, I couldn't say for certain, I don't use faust, so I can't see how hard the curse hits mobs for, but since curse only lets them take damage, without the benefit of a sword in the face, I don't think it'd stand on par with shock/fire/freeze that have added benefits on top of damage, such as locking down, aoe damage, softening attacks/reducing resistance etc, sothere'd need to be something else boosting that, which would separate it too much from haze bombs.
If there's any time where shadow weak mobs come up, then all I can say is using graviton offensively, using it as a team weapon, or just using Nitro, which will hurt absolutely everything for heaps of damage regardless.
Or, unless it's slimes, use RSS and plant them in their face for even more squared 1v1 damage.
I LOVES my Graviton!
It's great for kiting large mobs and dealing high amounts of damage to any opponent, not directly speaking about the bomb.
For me, it's less about the weapon. It's the application that counts.
And it's not even past 3* yet! :D
But may I ask, what prompted such an outburst? Are you having trouble with a particular mob? Which one? Why?