Spiral Knights - So, do you think Bechamel is Transgendered?

So, do you think Bechamel is Transgendered?

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Mon, 01/30/2012 - 01:43

Mejezfeld

I'm not kidding, let's have a legit discussion about this. The Wiki page uses "(s)he", but this assumes Bec's a he OR a she and being neither is not an option (and from this point on I will refer to Bechamel with the "ze" and "hir" pronouns).

Do you think ze is?
Do you think it would matter?
Do you have any reasoning behind your answers for the previous questions?

Am I reading too much into this? Barely, actually. There really shouldn't be anything wrong with a fictional character being transgendered.

Will this stir up controversy? Well, so what if it does? It keeps people's brains alive. And last time I checked, I'm not doing anything wrong by making this thread. I'm only just trying to incite some degree of intelligent conversation (and I'm trying to satisfy my curiosity regarding SK's community on the basis of how people treat this thread/answer to it... More on that once I get some responses).

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 01:50

Knight-Solaire

Praise the sun!

I've always operated under the assumption that Bechamel is a she. Wouldn't really have a problem were it to be officially announced that Bech's a ze, but until then I'll continue thinking it's a she.

Also knowing the SK staff, I'm doubting there'd be an announcement like that.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 02:28

Mejezfeld

I had earlier on asked the

I had earlier on asked the people at the Spiral-Snipes blog whether Bechamel was a scenekid (given the degree of accessories ze has on hir person, that's also an equally valid possibility, though NOT one I'd like. Scenekids are awful). I got the response that Bechamel was simply a really flamboyant man.

I don't know if that's actually official but until the wiki settles on a pronoun I'm using hir and ze to cover all possible gender-identity bases.

Given that the minimum age here is 13 I wonder how many people out there playing SK right now are kids facing gender identity issues?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 02:40

Skyber

I think Bechamel is a he and

I think Bechamel is a he and I have always assumed that.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 02:55

Lukehandkooler

Well...

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? The world may never know....

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 03:38

Mejezfeld

Lukehandkooler, whether we'll

Lukehandkooler, whether we'll ever get the lowdown about Bechamel's gender identity is hardly the point.

The point however, is what gender you think ze is/identifies most with.

And no, I don't think the fact that OOO will definitely keep silent about this should stop us from speculating

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 04:57

Guyinshinyarmour

Frankly, I thought it was undefined because it's irrelevant. Why does the gender of this inconsequential character matter?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 05:00

Lukehandkooler

Well then my friend, have you

Well then my friend, have you ever considered the possibility that he/she is hermaphroditic or asexual?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 05:44

Kalaina-Elderfall

I'm not sure the knights can

I'm not sure the knights can be transgendered. Are they born with a gender or do they just pick one?

I think Bechamel is female. The purple "hair" is arranged in a way that looks like a woman's short haircut and she's got on a ribbon. And the little mini-love puppy, well, I'm sure you can imagine why that would be popular with the ladies.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 06:26

Negroidamus

Silly knights...

Bechamel is clearly a sauce

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 06:52

#10

Pinkalike

.,?

There is no gender option at the character creation menu. So basically, who said knights have genders?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 07:46

#11

Kalaina-Elderfall

Mostly the fact that some of

Mostly the fact that some of the knights are referred to as "she" in-game.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 08:07

#12

Lukehandkooler

#8 just won the thread in a

#8 just won the thread in a fairly subtle and appropriately ambiguous fashion.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 08:12

#13

Iron-Volvametal

I think Bechamel's a Dude.

Just one of 'em Girly, Fancy Hair Salon Guys. ._.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:55

#14

Zinco

its the pyro gender conspiracy all over again.

bechamel is obviously a she, but due to lack of official info and OOO trolling us giving hints of bechamel being both male AND female, we can't say for sure.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:01

#15

Thimol

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Possibly female, metrosexual male, a flaming homosexual male, or a trans/herm.

I don't like where this thread could be heading.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:09

#16

Mejezfeld

when we get to 30 posts I

when we get to 30 posts I think we should do a tally on what people here think Bechamel is...

Also +1 to Lukehandkooler for suggesting that Bech could be a hermaphrodite. I had not considered that when making this.

Also just so we're clear. We're discussing gender, not sexuality. The word "Asexual" is usually used to refer to a lack of SEXUALITY, not a lack of GENDER (Basically, a person of any gender can be Asexual). The word for that would simply be "Genderless".

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:15

#17

Thimol

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We're discussing gender, not sexuality.

I see, but it might be late for that disclaimer at this point, especially since someone mentioned "hermaphrodite" (this is where gender and sexuality overlap, I think).

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:37

#18

Tengu

Gender and sexuality don't

Gender and sexuality don't overlap at hemaphroditism, just gender. Overlapping sexuality doesn't strictly depend on the mechanics. Me? I'm going to be an intellectualist jerk and suggest Hijira, the third sort of sexuality that's seen in the Indian subcontinent.

For the record, I'm also going with the idea that the SKs don't understand gender in a sexual way, since I think they're not corporeal, and therefore no plumbing (either indoor or outdoor). I think SKs gender preference really depends on their mood at the time. There's plenty of pom-pom hairs who're male, Azure Guardians with bows, and...well, there's no identifiers one way or the other on the Wolver line.

If there's no drive to reproduce, no physical gender, and no gender roles....who's to say who is what at all in SK? Me? I like to look foppishly manly in my Chapeau and Ice Queen armor with a parrying blade and a pipe. Quite the gentleman. I'm not gonna be comfortable just wearing Dragonscale around, as IMO it's an obviously female set of armor, and I just have never been into playing females on games.

So...to sum up, I think Bechamel is what (s)he thinks (s)he is when (s)he thinks about it. How's that for wishy-washy.

Also, I would suggest moving to Gremlin Chatter, but I like the maturity of the thread so far. I do ask you to please kill it the minute someone screws it all up by being childish.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:00

#19

Eurydice

Community Manager

> Also, I would suggest

> Also, I would suggest moving to Gremlin Chatter, but I like the maturity of the thread so far. I do ask you to please kill it the minute someone screws it all up by being childish.

That's the plan!

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:29

#20

Fallconn

he's a dude definitely

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:34

#21

Kalaina-Elderfall

lol bechamel's hot

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:37

#22

Fallconn

¬_¬

SHHH thread ended.......Bechamel's a guy ¬_¬

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:50

#23

Tengu

I picture Eurydice with a

I picture Eurydice with a hand hovering tremblingly over the big red banhammer button and this one forum maximized on-screen, and one of those little bird-drinking-water toys hitting f5.

"come on...do it"

click...glooshclick....glooshclick....

"COME ON."

gooshclick....

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:08

#24

Hyperion

Spiral Knights rejects

Spiral Knights rejects antiquated notions of gender. ;-)

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:23

#25

Softhead

¬_¬

I can't accept that awnser.

*Loads shotgun......*

Idiot(Signature!)

I think male. Bech for male, Becky For female. I think he is flamboyant and the SK equivilant of Gok Wan.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:29

#26

Jim-Dale

Bechamel is Jim Dale when Jim

Bechamel is Jim Dale when Jim Dale pretends to be Chris' parents. Both of them at the same time. Jim Dale can multitask.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:55

#27

Bluescreenofdeath

Clearly Bechamel is feminine (er at least for a Spiral Knight)

Bechamel is one of the French mother sauces and "la sauce de bechamel" is feminine (la & de).

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:07

#28

Giannii

and thats why you dont run

and thats why you dont run with giant scissors

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:13

#29

Providence

I approve of the use of ze

I approve of the use of ze and hir in this discussion. I wish more people would use it, not only because it's gender neutral which cuts down on gender bias, it prevents tortured and repeated sentences like "When he or she decides to..."

I agree with Negroidamus, Bechamel is clearly a sauce. We should put hir on our jelly.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:42

#30

Tengu

never heard or hir and ze,

never heard or hir and ze, tell the truth. Have they been around? I like em.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 14:44

#31

Xylka-Mkii

WELL according to the wiki

WELL according to the wiki (and patch notes if i remember correctly), Bechamel is reffered to as a he. I can see that, besides who doesn't like over accessorizing :P

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 15:04

#32

Thimol

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Well, if Bechamel is indeed a male/guy/etc., then :3333333333333[Imma cut this off here because I don't like borked forum posts]

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 15:48

#33

Shidara

Hang on, Game Master!

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 21:08
Hyperion
"Spiral Knights rejects antiquated notions of gender. ;-)"

Halt! Your statement, my good sir, is flawed.
If you pay attention to the Technician at the Core he refers to Lieutenant Vaelyn as "her", therefore suggesting that there is indeed gender between the Knights of the Spiral Order. Minor slip on your end, but beware of the veterans of Cradle.

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Back on topic though, I believe Bechamel is a male. He just looks fancy.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 16:13

#34

Iron-Volvametal

...

"Back on topic though, I believe Bechamel is a male. He just looks FANCY."

Cheers, Bro/Brah.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/221/718/1324614701001.png

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 16:46

#35

Pepperonius

Bechamel is

a fashion conscious male. I wish i could be that handsome, but alas, there is but one Bechamel

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 16:55

#36

The-Rawrcake

Possibly female, metrosexual

Possibly female, metrosexual male, a flaming homosexual male, or a trans/herm.

I don't like where this thread could be heading.

I see, but it might be late for that disclaimer at this point, especially since someone mentioned "hermaphrodite" (this is where gender and sexuality overlap, I think

You thought, that's where you went wrong xD someone even mentioned this thread would be killed the minute someone mentioned something like this.

Anyways, gender and sexuality are both different despite common belief. Blah blah blah, its something small like 3% of people being homosexual, but its a counter example of there being a link between gender and sexuality.

Plus you are making an assumption. Maybe Bechamel, as a male, could just fancy purple hair and love puppies and ribbons? Very stereotypical of you to think that that and sexuality are related. Then again, you did mention metrosexual, but it should have stopped there in my opinion. No need to go getting this thread locked :)

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 17:01

#37

Alynn

Whats Bechamel?

its not he

its not she

its IT

IT is Bechamel

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 17:05

#38

Iron-Volvametal

Did anyone else...

...think Brennivin from Gaia Online when they first saw Bechamel?

http://gaia.wikia.com/wiki/NPC:Brennivin

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 17:10

#39

Alynn

>.<

Alynn is curious as to why you are showing off a demonic rooster with glasses

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 17:18

#40

Iron-Volvametal

...

Can...

Not...

UNSEE!!!

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT!?

WHY!?

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/115/722/128137737236320...

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 17:36

#41

Kalaina-Elderfall

Definitions that most people

Definitions that most people here seem to know but are probably appropriate anyway so that people stop talking about them

Sex - Wat ur body is
Gender - Wat ur social role is
Sexuality - Wat sexes and/or genders u think r hawt

Options for sex: male, female
Options for gender: male, female, (less common) genderless, bigender, (even less common) third gender
If gender is difrent from sex u r a transgender or genderqueer
Options for sexuality: u liek malez, u liek femalez, u liek both (bisexual), u liek neither (asexual)
If u r not a transgender n u liek opposite sex u r a heterosexual; if u liek same sex u r a homosexual
If u r a transgender u probly identify as homosexual or heterosexual based on ur gender identity insted of ur sex

k im done

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 17:49

#42

Hyperion

Having only two genders is an

Having only two genders is an antiquated notion; I never said people couldn't fit into one of the two traditional ones ;)

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 18:28

#43

Nicoya-Kitty

I know some of you all are a

I know some of you all are a bit young, but those of us who have been around a while learned long ago to never make assumptions about gender when it comes to video game characters.

@Hyperion Nice save. ;)

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 18:34

#44

Iron-Volvametal

...

*COUGH* http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Serenade *COUGH*

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 18:46

#45

Psychodestroyer

Nicoya, that scares me a little....

But it was logical. Doesn't make it any less creepy...

Betcha half of the people who saw him were like: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/171/232/fap%20fail.jpg

@Ironskullkid I feel sad. I finished Battle network 3, but I couldn't complete everything. Hit a glitch where I can't complete a particular mini-mission. Game programming fail.

So I couldn't fight him :(

And I thought Colonel was supposed to be the 'ultimate navi'.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 18:49

#46

Tengu

@nicoya-kitty

Some of us had learned not to never assume a gender long before that. a'la Lancer from Robotech: New Generation, and his forced Transvestism and subsequent burlesque act. :O

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 18:59

#47

Tantarian

Choice

I believe Bechamel's gender is "Faboulous"

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 19:06

#48

Nicoya-Kitty

@Psychodestroyer Pretty

@Psychodestroyer Pretty much.

Also, I suppose this thread wouldn't be complete without mentioning the most confused character of all.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 19:06

#49

Providence

@Tantarian

You mean, Bechamel's flavor is "fabulous."

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 19:30

#50

Iron-Volvametal

@Nicoya-Kitty

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/181/350/1317600435001.png

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So, do you think Bechamel is Transgendered?