Ignore that, they do care...

I personally want to see this.... 1,2,5,6 seem to me the big ones... so +1 here! :D

~Tsu

Psh no sheild. Not really worth it. I'd like the peircing/elemental gunslingers to be separate.

Your title contradicts itself. Usual and important.

But anyway, I agree with only 1, 2, and 6.

1: It's a pain to start out as gunner. I showed SK to my friend and told her about the weapons she could use, then she decided she wanted to be a gunner, but I had to tell her that you couldn't start off as a gunner due to the starting gunner armor being 3*.
2: A shield for bombs is more important than that IMO, but this is still a valid issue. You have Swiftstrike for guns, though I understand that it's poop for defending in T3.
3: Not really necessary, but I imagine it does suck that gunners have nothing to show off, while Sword/Bombers get SL gear to show off that actually can be helpful.
4: Not as important as fire resist is mostly important for only FSC and the only time I ever get burned is when I lag and walk into shadow fire... and I'm a sword/bomb hybrid. :(
5: Doesn't affect that many guns as far as I've tried, except for the Autogun line. And why would you even be using a gun that renders you immobile in Lockdown anyway?
6: The usual complaint. Swordies get Skolver and Snarby for medium damage boost a piece. Bombies get Mad Bomber for medium damage bonus a piece. Gunner falls behind.

@Tsubasa

Yeah, I loved it when Severage came and backed my statement up.

And just to be clear, not all swords are powerful. Only a few that they seem to like above the others. For instance, Brandish was reasonably fine but they upgraded for some reason and never bothered with Cutter, Troika and to a lesser extent, the fire and stun flourish which I've never seen before.

I had a message written here, but lost it. Blah.

@Diabound: lol You "loved" it when I came and backed your statement up? Thanks? lol

Certainly not all swords are powerful, but it's not exactly the swords themselves that count as much. Sword-related gear is, in most cases, literally TWICE as useful as Gunner's armor.

PS: Flamberge/Whatever stun flourish is named aren't as good as Final; according to many people. I ended up going with Final 'cause everyone I knew recommended it. It just so happened that when Lockdown came out it was a very useful tool.

@Tsubasa:

Let me educate you in the typical views of these forums:

1)Suggestions forum gets very little attention, especially compared to the other forums (I believe the last Admin post in this section was like..7 months ago).
2)Gunners get more hate than any other "class" (Few accessories, bad gear, split-damage weapons).
3)AP/Sent upgrade to full elemental/shadow has apparently been "Postponed until further notice" (Nick's thread was about 2 1/2 months ago).
4)Guild Halls are neglected (Until recently, now it seems that Devs have been more interested in them).
5)Lockdown is broken (Especially concerning Recons).

I'm sure I missed some but those are the typical things people get in their minds after using this forum and such. It doesn't really matter how MUCH they have to deal with, 3 months is a long time to fix a single gun-line, and a less-anticipated bomb line. Obviously it's not representative of all the people here, but many people get discouraged using this forum because the apparent favoritism the other forums get compared to it.

All we have is speculation that they don't want the obligation of replying to most threads here, so they don't reply to anything. Which, doesn't make any sense, since they reply to Gremlin Chatter more often, which is much less important as far as the game is concerned.

Me, I'm just too stubborn to leave.

Anyway, off-topic discussion there...on-topic: If they are worried about making guns too powerful, then they sure as heck did a fine job of it. Gunners are a nuisance now, because all anyone ever uses is that annoying Polaris weapon. Needle-weapons and Antigua-lines should be the best imo.

~Sev

Shield for gunners?
Gunners have Swifty, which is a massive bonus. What shield is there for bombers?

Main thing gunners need, more than anythin' else, is 2* armour; that's the reason that noobly gunners get sick of tryin' to gunsling and just convert to wolver.

Actual, I think crossproduct is right. If OOO cared, this would be fixed by now. I've seen this issue discussed several times now, and surely OOO has too.

@ Well Melisan, the admins don't seem to be looking at this part of the forum at all whatsoever. For instance, 3 pages away, some guy says Lockdown stinks and calls people masochistic furfags with dildoes. I would think that something would have been done about this guy or that post for that matter, but apparently not. Such things only confirm my belief that they really don't read these at all.

And just to compare, they would rather post on topics pertaining to whether Bechamel is a gay man or a woman then give a rat's butt on the topics here. Like honestly, if they really aren't going to look at these at all they should just save us some time and remove the suggestions category

Well Melisan, let me ask this, have you every posted on any other forum? Even free ones? Typically they will very quickly remove slanderous posts but here they just go unpunished. If they were reading these posts, they would probably have realized that furfag is offensive and I know you may think that I'm old-fasioned or something, but I would probably remove that guy's post from the forum. Instead, nothing. There's no evidence at all, that they have bothered maintaining this side of the forum

"No need to be so rude sev."

The intentions I had weren't to be rude or chiding...I don't know how long Tsu has been here; and based on the fact that she seemed surprised that people thought Gunners are neglected, I was only trying to help.

"Just because they don't post here much who the hell do you think you are to make such sweeping statements?"

I was referring to what many people believe when they first arrive on these forums....I didn't say "Because *I* SAID so, Admins don't like this forum".

I agree that they're doing a great job, but many companies who seemingly neglect their playerbases' suggestions (Even if they truly don't) eventually lose their playerbases' suggestions.

While I don't think we should incessantly say "Devs don't care, they're not doing anything", I also don't think we should make them really lax and say "Oh, don't bother them or make suggestions, because they're already trying their hardest." Maybe when they finally read these forums in-depth like they do Gremlin Chatter, they'll feel urged to take some of these suggestions seriously and into consideration.

~Sev

To be contrary, as a bomb/sword user I envy gunners and their ability to "walk backwards and shoot".

Wait a second, is that, diabound I see? Spamming the threads about an unrelated topic, just as I said he would in another topic about GM posts? AMAZING. COPY PASTE TIME.

The devs must like swords to have things continue this way, lol.

@Darkbrady

Sure I could see how bombers could use a shield. Mind you that the Swiftstrike Buckler is not a gunslinger shield since swordsmen can also reap the benefits of the High ASI bonus, while they alone can only benefit from the Barbarous Thorn Shield leaving the last 2 classes in the dust DPS wise

@Rouge-Rouge

As an avid gunner I'm all for another brand new spanking gun, but Snarby has more than enough equips if you ask me and the last thing we need is another OP equip based on the same boss again but a fantastic idea with the crossbow I think if you scratch the snarby part.

@Regalya
1,2,3, and 6 are my only concerns

as for LD hit latency OOO is free to attend to that, if they don't I couldn't care less

I like the fire resistance but its not very justified since its not a fire themed armor, just overall elemental but I don't mind

Theres bound to be some sort of action to be taken place in time, patience "No more playing, No more fun, the Waiting game has now begun"

I know what you're trying to say verodius ... bot honestly.. for being made of tissue paper doused in lighter fluid and filled with easily corroded and conductive tin foil, i think that is a reasonable compensation XD

personally im never gonna touch a mad bomber suit... and im a pure bomber :P

"Bump for great gunslinging justice"
-Trollingyou

Yeah, I agree it needs something. The distance just... isn't enough to compensate. Yeah, we can shoot from range before you even get here, but there is just one thing... Sword charges do the stuff better. Have you ever seen CTR max Divine Avenger? That is something so evil...

And why aren't we getting gun upgrade? Because so much people use "Mr. I fly and blow up, causing shock, nice damage and good knockback." Gunners need more balanced sets, and even I can see that.

PS. I am bomber.

Regalya: OOO does pay attention to what goes on in the suggestions forum. I was the one that pointed out the lack of gremlins that cause status effects. Now we have the gremlin knockers.

The problem is that a lot of the ideas are based upon gut reactions without any foresight into how it will change the future of the game. Developers have to balance changing a piece of equipment to resolve issues without completely alienating people who were fine with the original version. The Polaris is an example of this conundrum. When changes are made, they need to be long lasting. Constantly changing things only causes players to quit in frustration because nothing is stable.

Gunners don't get hit that often so there has to be some element of risk involved when you specialize in guns. You can't simply add Fire resistance to the Nameless set and expect everything to be okay. It would make gunners too hard to kill. Sword and bomb can still die even with status resistances because they get hit a lot.

I saw a topic on more Gunner armors, and I thought: "Hey, why not have something like a suit? Like the Secret Service or something?"

Anyway, on guns: they really do need to do more damage. Also, I'd like for the Sentenza/AP to go back to the split damage they had and increase the damage they deal too.

@Thimol : Look at my thread, its actually not dying :3 (For like, the first time ever :3)
And the only thing my thread has in common with this thread is that there should be a gunner armor that starts at 2 stars.
My thread is all about coming up with new idea's for non-cowboy gunner armors. Check it out, Schattentag even made a 3D model for my thread :D
Please please please post your idea's on my thread :3

EDIT : Sorry if it sounds like I'm trying to take people from this thread to my thread lol. I think they are both good gunner threads, keep 'em both alive :3