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Wed, 02/08/2012 - 07:34
Azox's picture
Azox

Some of you may have some serious complaints regarding the Crystal Energy system and how much the game Spiral Knights runs off of it. I have found that without purchasing any Crystal Energy or elevator passes with real money, it can take an incredibly long time to get to the end-game in Spiral Knights. (approx. six months of casual gameplay) This would not be a problem if the game introduced new content throughout those six months pretty regularly. However, this is not the case. It takes around 1 or 2 weeks to get to full 3 star equipment. By that time many will have perfected their skill with Spiral Knights and encountered everything in the game on Teir 2 and below. After that, it takes forever to get to full 4 star equipment, and there is absolutely nothing new to do through that entire time. Once you're Teir 3 you're finishing up the mid-game. There's some new content and a few new bosses, but that gets old after a few weeks, too. It then takes an insane amount of time to get to full 5 star equipment. This is not an enjoyable experience and games really shouldn't have to be designed this way. I respect that Spiral Knights was extremely hard to build and that it is free to play, but to be honest a system like that just isn't very fun after the first two weeks.

I have played another game recently that appears to excel in place of Spiral Knights's shortcomings. I recommend it to those who are a bit tired of Spiral Knights and were hoping for something better when they started playing the game. If nothing else, I recommend everyone who reads this post to try it out for a bit to see for themselves how good it is.

I speak of Vindictus, a free to play game with beautiful graphics, a satisfying plot, and amazing boss fights. It's a game very much like Spiral Knights in many ways, and yet completely different in how it implements its features.

Spiral Knights has a top-down 3D hack and slash combat system with a very limited range of items and abilities. The game has two currencies, Crowns and Crystal Energy, which fluctuate trading prices. You do not gain any permanent stats. All your equipment is bought or crafted with crowns and energy and practically worthless materials. There are massive taxes imposed on buying and selling equipment and the crafting system destroys the value of monster drops. The game is run entirely on energy, which is limited to the point of allowing you to play for 10 small dungeons runs a day unless you buy Crystal Energy. Crystal Energy is massively overvalued and can allow you to do more dungeons. People can purchase Crystal Energy using real money in massive amounts. The only input of Crystal Energy into the market is through people paying money for it. This means the entire game is Pay to Win. The in-game speed-trading system is a bidding system, forcing people to bid and bid and bid again and again if they want the lowest prices. The plot is close to non-existent. It is also possible to do arbitrage on the two in-game currencies, due to the trades between them differing by more than 2% in price at any given time. Spiral Knights is free to play.

Vindictus has a 3rd person 3D hack and slash combat system with a wide range of items and abilities. The game has one stable currency. There are permanent stats, skills, and abilities. Equipment can be crafted almost entirely from materials found in the game. There are no taxes imposed on buying and selling equipment and the crafting system creates and maintains value for monster drops. The game has fluid and well-designed quests and plot, which all tie together beautifully. The game is limited by tokens that are refilled around every two days, allowing you to play 8 large dungeons a day. However, the first 10 dungeons do not cost any tokens to play, so you can play them as much as you want. Tokens are not purchasable or trade-able through practically any means. There is a token which is purchasable and trade-able, but it is expensive irl and does not break the game. The in-game speed-trading system is a Marketplace system, allowing people to buy everything for the lowest price at any moment. This eliminates town trading chat almost entirely and makes purchases easy. There is an extensive class system and well-developed end-game content. There is about ten times more content in Vindictus than Spiral Knights overall. This is not an exaggeration in the slightest. There is an item mall which has items that cost money, but practically all of these items are "inner armor" costumes. None of the buy-able items break the game. Vindictus is free to play.

Vindictus can be explored further here and playable here.

Thank you for reading this post and considering a fun alternative.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 07:46
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Mirmulnir's picture
Mirmulnir
You are really doing an

You are really doing an advertisement of another game on a Three Rings hosted forum (on the wrong area btw)? I don't think thats allowed.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 08:01
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Tom-Awsm's picture
Tom-Awsm
Cool sales pitch. Maybe Nexon

Cool sales pitch. Maybe Nexon will give you a cookie.

I'll let the more passionate and eloquent forum regulars take care of what you got wrong, unless you are banned for breaking ToS first.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 08:06
#3
Paweu's picture
Paweu
lol @ pay to win and then

lol @ pay to win and then naming a nexon game

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 08:13
#4
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Wuvvums
I don't think I've ever

I don't think I've ever played a Nexon game I enjoyed :S

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 08:20
#5
Daarke's picture
Daarke
lol

Noob player is butt hurting. Ill leave the ripping of your completely fail details in your post to other worthy forum posters.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 08:36
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Merethif
The only problem that I have

The only problem that I have with Vindictus is the fact that there's almost no custamisation of your character. There are only 3 characters (4 on american servers) and there is only one armour for given level. That leave you with almost no choice apart from hair style and colour. There's no choice whether I want more Agility or more Intelligence (I'm playing mostly Eve) - just need to get best possible for my level.

If you like ranged combat or being magic user (like me) be prepared to play a character that can wear only tasteless [titillating] armours and looks rather like prostitute then mage. Once my sister noticed me playing Vindictus and she was sure I'm watching some asian porn sites. Also I have to turn sound off whenever playing Vindictus if there are some people around because "sounds" made by Eve when jumping or fighting suggest I'm watching some hentai movies.

I'm not saying Vindictus is a bad game (just tasteless). It was ok, especially if you meet some decent players. Some nice ideas like Golem summoning (and generally high level of interaction with environment). But really it's absolutely no replacement for SK.

If you really want to play other games then SK I'd suggest W101 (good battle system, a bit like Magic the Gathering) or Kingdom Rush (best Tower Defence I've seen so far).

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 08:43
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Maeko's picture
Maeko
I wonder if you could get

I wonder if you could get banned from the forums for this...

one may hope.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 09:02
#8
Tengu's picture
Tengu
absolutely should get banned.

absolutely should get banned. Go play Victimus, or whatever you're trying to sell. Also, +1 to the Nexon comments. Almost as bad as Zynga.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 09:05
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Nodocchi
First of all, You think

First of all, You think Vindictus introduces new mid-game content? If they put out new content at all it is going to be new end-game content. Which means a raised level cap and some more grinding to the new level cap. Spiral Knights is one of the only games I've seen that actually released new content for newer players. Also how many times have you actually died while playing Vindictus? The game is incredibly easy and gets old really fast. Though Spiral Knights has been dumbed down a lot, it is still a much more challenging game. Also PvP in SK is more balanced than any other game I've played and rich players are not able to gain massive advantages in SK that can never be matched by a F2P player.

You are also forgetting that it also takes forever to level up in Vindictus, not to mention you are severely limited in what you have access to by your class. Yeah it takes a few months of casual play to reach 5* in SK but you're playing what? 1 hour a day? In Vindictus you'd be playing 8+ hours a day and it would still take you a month to reach the level cap. Each class is also stuck with a severely limited set of skills and you barely get anything every time you level up. The enhancing system ensures only the most dedicated or richest player will ever be the best at the game. The way the crafting system is set up in Vindictus means you will constantly need to grind for new gear every few levels, repeating old bosses for rare crafting materials you need. So yeah, Vindictus may seem shiny and new when you first start it, but it gets old real fast.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 09:16
#10
Nattss's picture
Nattss
Because I have a life, I

Because I have a life, I don't usually have time to waste all my mist in one playing session. Over the xmas holidays the pass was fun, and I amassed a fair amount with it, but now I wouldn't have time to make use of it.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 09:41
#11
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Buckdida
Tried Vindictus. Looked

Tried Vindictus. Looked really good- made in the source engine and such. I Didn't like it. Didn't click with me, despite being similar in nature to...
Dungeon Fighter Online. Liked it a ton. However, many friends I play games with are overseas, and Nexon games are region locked to the extreme. I cannot play it with them, and even with proxies, the connection between players is... a dreaded peer-to-peer connection. *shudders*
Tried Spiral Knights. Liked it a ton. Still play it. Play it with others. Very different than the other two aforementioned games.

But I think the simple thing I need to point out is that you're comparing apples and oranges. If you were, say, comparing Vindictus to 12 Tails, DFO, Rusty Hearts, Elsword, or any other game that actually plays similarly to Vindictus then perhaps you might have something. The combat and battle mechanics are too different between SK and Vindictus to do a comparison like you are. They each stand on their own.

For example, you say that Vindictus has a large range of weapons and items. This is because you often change what weapon and armor you use with nearly every single level your character increases. In Spiral Knights, your level does not determine your gear- your gear determines your level. So you put a lot of time and effort into making your small lot of gear more powerful, and heck, you can even get attached to your gear and the look it provides. Further, there's as much gear as there is damage types, and even still, the devs probably plan to add more gear.

Spiral Knights is different and something that feels more fresh, but still with a hint of nostalgia, but still simple enough to play, but still has room for skill... SK appears to be a casual, free to play game, though more hardcore gamers can get into it. Plenty of people are happy to play their two hours per day, and some even pride themselves on being entirely free to play!

Maybe another way to say things is that, in Spiral Knights, some things are simplified, but this does not take away from the game.

As for my own opinion on Vindictus... it was DFO in 3D. Okay, the 3D is new, but it otherwise feels stale and the way the 3D is done... feels as if it removes the "arcade feel" that is normally present in those games. Perhaps clunky movement between areas is what kills it. Don't get me wrong, I do like the Dungeon Fighter genre, but I'd recommend DFO first, if you can play it, then Rusty Hearts next.

And just for a slightly satirical comparison. Let's Compare Vindictus to Left 4 Dead 2 in third person mode. They're both behind the back third person games, with real time combat, aren't they? And L4D2 has melee weapons and ranged weapons, but oh! L4D2 seems to lack in story, and the choices of gear that you have. And pfft, no personal stats, skills, or abilities. I mean, look at that charger class, with only one skill. And, man, in that game, there's no trading or crafting system at all! You just have to hope another player drops his gear in front of you, or you get to the item drop first. At least running dungeons is completely free for PvE, I'll give it that, but, man, that PvP mode can make you rage something fierce.

As you can see, comparing two different games that play quite differently... is easy to do, but sounds quite ridiculous when you think about it.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 09:43
#12
Otaia's picture
Otaia
Vindictus is run by Nexon,

Vindictus is run by Nexon, which is an absolutely horrible company.

Fri, 04/20/2012 - 09:01
#13
Alienf
this game

the thing is, this game is for younger genre, and some older people... vindictus seems to just be old people.. that like blood, yeah that kind stuff

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