Request for Bomber/Gunner Shield
Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:04
Hi all here's a petition , and why
It's about equipment + boost (6 max value, after I explain ■), especially about the shields.
■ values
when I talk about values need to understand the UV damage or CTR =
+1 = low value
+2 = medium "
+3 = High "
+4 = V.High "
+5 = Ultra "
+6 = Maximum "
well return to shield discoverable in game:
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Sword:
There is a shield that gives +3 attack speed for contact weapon (high)
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Swiftstrike_Buckler
a 2 * shield that gives a (low) damage sword bonus
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Twisted_Targe
this version is also higher
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Twisted_Targe (same as above + bonus Low)
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Dark_Thorn_Shield (+ low, same)
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Barbarous_Thorn_Shield
this one give +2 (medium) damage sword
= Here is therefore a total of (5) shield for the swordsman. (nice)
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Bomb:
it is the concern I have nothing to say because there's nothing for us ...
= Total (0) shield for the bomber.
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Gun:
Same, there's nothing..., it's cool for them :/
= Total (0) shield for gunner.
So its been 5 Epee / 0 Bomb /0 Gunner
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That I do not know you but I find its not normal to be honest, (being 100% bomber) after arriving in the snarolax his shield and sword for, I was expecting a shield to gun and bomb later , on roarmulus I have not yet know what will .. but no, nothing, I personally find it not cool
So I ask no great things, just add bomber and gunner shield, as it is not excessive demand? why people making the game doesn't think at that ? any logic to think only has one category of players ?
± Consider also upgrade to a 4 * and 5 * the Scarlet Shield (http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Scarlet_Shield)
it can serve for people who want to stuff more Health
± And why not as a shield + mouveent speed, as on http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Mercurial_Demo_Suit?
Well sry for my bad english ,and say if you think i say good things.
Bye everyone and good day / game
Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:47
#2
But you gorget the ABC rule
But you gorget the ABC rule (always bomb charge) for bomber , a shield with +2 life most use than a good garde 5* because if i charge bomb , i'cant use shield , but a passif bonus like scarlet shield are effectif always.
And there isnt only FSC in the game
a shield dont use only for defence , you can push eneny away , hold a respawn bloc point or have passif bonus like +2 life
Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:46
#3
So what you want is:
A 5*
So what you want is:
A 5* Scarlet Shield +x health, nerfed a bit due to health bonus
A 5* Gunner's Shield, twin of BTS
A 5* Bomber's shield, twin of BTS except stats nerfed a bit and movemt speed bonus added. Maybe a set to increase the movement speed bonus
Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:55
#4
Yes but the bonus mouvement
Yes but the bonus mouvement not on the same shield (bomber or gunner) its for a new "family" of shield.
After "twin of BTS" , its not realy the question , but I think it would be logical
Edit : and if it can be help for add these shield , i agree for nerfed def on bomber shield and scarlet shield upgrade
Sat, 02/11/2012 - 13:01
#5
For the record, lots of
For the record, lots of people use BTS (and Swiftstrike) in FSC.
Sat, 02/11/2012 - 13:07
#6
Sorry, I do not see many
Sorry, I do not see many people wearing them (well I dont pay much attention especially if there are Trojans hunting myself with a swift strike and a purple eye from the beginning (I'm training for the shadow lairs)
Sat, 02/11/2012 - 15:08
#7
You don't need a bomber
You don't need a bomber sheild. Level 10 bomb plus full demo gives you max CTR. Demo armor itself isn't really that useful if you just get a nice CTR UV. In LD, the recon sheild will put level 10 bombs to maximum CTR as well. A higher level scarlet sheild would be good for bombers, and it couldn't be too OP since you wouldn't be able to use it in lockdown.
Swiftstrike does increase gun speed as well, so gunners can make use of it, but a five-star gunner sheild would make sense after the armor is fixed up. Also, I wouldn't say that there are five different swordsman sheilds though, since four of the ones you listed are all upgrades of each other.
Sun, 02/12/2012 - 02:08
#8
YES YES ES YES YES THANK YOU +1 +1 +1
I AGREE!! there should be bomber shields... there should e gunner shields.. and there should be Movement shields!!! and tey wouldnt be pverpowered because you cant use them in lockdown!!! problems solved
Sun, 02/12/2012 - 06:45
#9
Orangeo as I said above a
Orangeo as I said above a shield can be used to pushing enemie, prevent block respawn or benefit from passive bonus (like scarlet shield), you do not stumble at CTR, it'd be an error.
I didn't ask CTR + shield, just as the players not playing "sword" dont forget.
i dont anderstand why you speak about LD.
For the swiftstrife shield if i read desciption i can see "A small, easy to use shield that enables the user to perform fast attacks with melee weapons"
but if it work with gun , it must be nice to correct description (it dont change anything for me i dont use gun lol)
know that even if you prove to me by A + B, a shield bomber / gunner would useless (I expect to see still) it has to be set up, just to equalize, not forgetting in all game , many players woudnt to be stuff like everyone , respect the spirit of creative build atypical.
I like the base resume of Ztype I would change like this :
add a 4* and 5 Scarlet shield with health bonus (with nerf def why not)
add a "bomber family shield" like BTS (2* to 5* ?)
add a "gunner family shield" like BTS (2* to 5* ?)
add a "movement family shield" (2* to 5* why not , with perhaps nerf def).
there is nothing definitive in my application, but I thinks were are in the right direction, its appears to nice and at least nobody would be left out.
What do you think?
thank you for your contribution, your support, negative or positive critics.
(and sorry again for bad traduction...i hope people can anderstand my way to reflexion).
Sun, 02/12/2012 - 06:57
#10
But the movement would have
But the movement would have to be quite high due to movement speed not making that much of a difference.
Sun, 02/12/2012 - 07:07
#11
maybe or not, I saw the
maybe or not, I saw the player make killer build with the stuff that seemed to "zero" or "useless" because it was in reality just misused by people, and it on many game.
and i think a movement shield can be nice with the mercurial demo set (for exemple)
Wed, 05/15/2013 - 20:44
#12
UP (don't worry i'll never
UP (don't worry i'll never give up).
Thu, 05/16/2013 - 06:33
#13
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guns + swiftstrike +chaos set = OP OP OP OP OP
bombs + chaos set + swiftstrike (drop bombs faster) = OP OP OP OP OP OP
swords + chaos set + swiftstrike = OP OP OP OP OP OP
basically anything + chaos set + swiftstrike = max swag acquired
Mon, 06/03/2013 - 05:56
#14
Redblades your wrong ,
Redblades your wrong , swiftstrike don't make bombs drop faster , it work only on Swords and Guns .
Mon, 06/03/2013 - 06:36
#15
eyes trying to see the end to another end
@luckydeaths:
to raise and lower the bomb faster, that's... help something, but not enough
try by yourself, in training hall
Thu, 07/18/2013 - 02:46
#16
+1
I totally agree !
And i want to add one good reason for dev's to implement such ideas : Creating new shield for bombers and gunners would make people get more intereseted in bombs and guns. Then, some would want to try, and they ll try to acquire them. So, they'll spend more time in game by acquiring this stuff and testing it. And this time they spend on spiral knight wont be spent on another game ! It is good for OOO.
And implementing such stuffs (whatever are the stats, if it deals about guns and bombs its ok ^^) does not recquire many time and huge updates ... It seems to be a good benefit.
Also, I would really like to try such stuff and acquire more bombs to test a full bomb gear. I am sure many others players would do the same.
Thu, 07/18/2013 - 04:39
#17
+1
+1, very nice idea ;)
Thu, 07/18/2013 - 07:54
#18
oh hay this thread again :)
oh hay this thread again :)
Thu, 07/18/2013 - 08:05
#19
my 2 cents
Do you see any players in FSC wearing BTS? No.
Yes, I do lol. The main shield I see in FSC is either BTS or Swiftstrike or a random one (to match outfit most of the time)
I even use the BTS sometime... depends on how I feel and what's my gear... :D
Thu, 07/18/2013 - 11:16
#20
Umm... Waffleconecake, this wasn't recreated. It's a thread made in February 2012 that was necroed.
Thu, 07/18/2013 - 14:09
#21
no dur captain obvious.
no dur captain obvious.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 13:03
#22
Up :)
Up :)
Sun, 12/22/2013 - 05:58
#23
still here
Up
Mon, 12/23/2013 - 02:14
#24
Um... WAT?
Thu, 12/26/2013 - 16:36
#25
Orangeo is right, If you got
Orangeo is right, If you got the Volcanic or mad bomber set + a level 5 or level 10 bomb you'll have enough CTR already.
But, for those who choose for the bombastic demo set that gives damage bonus very high and no CTR at all, a shield just like BTS but then in bomb CTR might be useful.
then the 2 star would give CTR low
3* CTR low
4* CTR low
5* CTR med.
(Maybe the 2 star shield can be obtained by 20-30 bark modules?)
Then that bombastic demo set would give you damage bonus Very high, the shield would give CTR medium (if 5 star, the others will just like the BTS series give low), and a level 5 or a level 10 bomb will add even more CTR. which can bring your CTR up to high or even very high if your bomb is level 10.
The mad bomber suit might get punched in the face because of this, with the shield + a high level bomb, this bomber loadout (bombastic + bomber shield) will have a damage bonus of Very high (just like mad bomber) and a CTR of medium, high or very high but without the negative defenses of mad bomber suit. Now I know that with the mad bomber set you can get EVEN more CTR but come on, CTR max, CTR Very high, what's the difference?
So: I love the idea but, the bombastic demo set will get more popular and the mad bomber suit will drop in popularity.
Bombastic demo with the shield is just like mad bomber but without the negative defenses so who would want a mad bomber if you can go for bombastic with a nice bomber shield?
Oh and by the way, forget the 5 star scarlett shield, 2 penta heart pendants (+12) with a sprite perk (+6) and even a vita if you're not playing LD (+1-21) combined with an armor set that has reached level 5 (+10), (+16 if you got something like ancient guardian) would make the shield completely unnecessary. The scarlett shield is great for starters that haven't got any trinkets or good sprite perks but a 5 star of it is kinda useless with all the HP you can get already.
But come on, let's not get too many new shields, it would make the ''rank'' or ''prestige'' missions too easy.
You can create shields that have:
Sword CTR low-med
Sword damge (BTS) low-med
Sword attack speed increase (bukcler) high
Gunner CTR low-med
Gunner damage low-med
Gunner attack speed increase (buckler) high
Bomber CTR low-med (this forum)
Bomber damage bonus low-med
so: the sword got 2 shields that give bonuses
gunners got 1
bombers got 0, that's why this forum was made right?
Lets be happy with what've got and hope for at least 1 nice bomber shield to make people more interested in it :)
Thu, 12/26/2013 - 19:24
#26
....
If only Luguiro was here,
Fri, 12/27/2013 - 01:43
#27
@Jaloenow
"The mad bomber suit might get punched in the face because of this"
Dont worry, the mad bomber suits face got completely destroyed by the chaos buff, a couple of punches wont make any difference.
Sun, 01/05/2014 - 22:17
#28
why people think only about
why people think only about CTR ? .... seriously , see further ...
Mon, 01/06/2014 - 04:58
#29
I make you black, bluue and red all over
Because the most important thing for bombs is CTR. It increase attack rate, which thus increases damage so no reason to give that. And bombs don't use ASI
Mon, 01/06/2014 - 06:17
#30
Yes they do.
Mon, 01/06/2014 - 06:54
#31
I make you black, bluue and red all over
Well technically they do, but I find the increased animation speed that you drop the bomb to be negligible enough that it doesn't provide any real noticeable change. If a bomber set ever came out with ASI on it, I'd probably never even craft it (besides for costume).
Mon, 01/06/2014 - 08:01
#32
+1 to *5 gunner shield
+1 to *5 gunner shield - I dont care if it gives asi or damage increase so long as guns benefit from them.
Fri, 07/10/2015 - 12:18
#33
Hello , i'm here for a little
Hello , i'm here for a little Bump ^^
Fri, 07/10/2015 - 13:51
#34
heeh..
@Shadoxlunik:
Sense not a lot of people use that avatar, i thought you were me for a second. Anyway....
@OP:
I feel you are right that bombers need a shield for themselves and so do gunners. Some people on the forums were discussing new uv for gunners and bombers and sword users also. Anyway, for gunners we could have a uv that makes the bullet go farther by 1.5 tile at high and for bombers we can have a uv that increases the range of the bomb by 1.5 tile at high. These uv's can be applied to the new shields for the gunners and bombers.
Thu, 10/15/2015 - 07:05
#35
i've left the game but not the forum
@Blandaxt Infact i've stop the game but i still up the topic when i dont forget it , also ShadoxLunik and OP are the same guy (me :p)
I hope they will find something for bomber and gunner , the special UV like you said can be a solution.
Wed, 08/23/2017 - 21:05
#36
Annnnnnnd UP , it's still
Annnnnnnd UP , it's still needed.
Thu, 08/24/2017 - 05:43
#37
This is the best idea I've come with so far
Why do people assume a bomber shield always gives CTR why not medium damage so you can max bombs with mad bomber (or chaos) set without having so sacrifice a health trinket for an elite boom module or maybe MSI medium for BOMBS so you can MAX OUT MSI with mercurial demo set or black kat set + swift steps ii pet perk if you're a bomber which is the most important buff you can use as a bomber but if you're a gunner or swordie you won't benefit from it to prevent overuse just like gunners and bombers don't use BTS and for gunners i think swiftstrike buckler is enough since they only need a shield for switching anyways also about ASI on bombs it hardly matters you can just use any shield and you won't notice any difference at all it's so subtle you won't even notice it you can run shieldless and still bomb as fast (I run shieldless doing easy content and use a heavy shield for hard content and I am a pure bomber) also gunners got way too many armor sets I think it's not fair to also add specialized shields for guns too.
I suggest upgrading scarlet shield to be a bomber shield and removing its health bonus at 4* and adding MSI low OR damage low for BOMBS and then add another MSI low OR damage low for BOMBS to reach medium there can be MSI or damage variants of the shield or only 1 of those if both are present with the value of low they will hardly make any difference since low MSI is hardly noticable and nobody wants to craft a shield for only low damage bonus.
Thu, 08/24/2017 - 05:43
#38
@Shadixlunik
Don't give up I support you <3
Thu, 08/24/2017 - 07:08
#39
Thu, 08/24/2017 - 08:00
#40
@Sir-Pandabear
I don't think this would work... GH isn't making any 5* winmillion what makes you think they will install entirely new mechanics also I find these way to OP and can also be used by swordies and gunners which still makes it unfair for bombers.
You don't have to change the game mechanics to make a bomber shield just put some stats on a normal shield now you're done that's why I think MSI or damage bonus for bombs are better and WAY more balanced.
But there's one of your suggestions that I REALLY like which is...
Bomb Shield, pt XII: Grenade Cooker: A shield where you can store a fully charged bomb. Plant it later using shield bash button. Lots of tactical use.
Maybe this mechanic can be installed in the game to make bombs more balanced compared to swords and guns (wish this can also work in LD).
Sun, 10/15/2017 - 01:47
#42
bump
Gotta bump this important suggestion.
Firstly, your base idea is not that good and gunners and bombers can attack from a range and the swift strike works on guns too (on the wiki). Please count a series of shields as one. Also, the BTS series only defends against piercing. Do you see any players in FSC wearing BTS? No.
Secondly, movement speed changes hardly anything.
Thirdly the Scarlet Shield, if there was a 5* version, would have to be nerfed in defence stats. Also, you can't be suggesting that the five star of scarlet shield should have gunner or bomb bonus AND health bonus? That would render the BTS useless compared to the five star scarlet shield