can u guys make dual sword? its gonna be great! but we cant use shield if we use dual sword... but we can block with dual sword... so is multifungsional item... buy 1 get 2 effect!
New weapon!!(dual sword)
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 06:29
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 07:13
#2
lemmeguess
dual pistols? omfg imagine every one haveing 2 blitz needles and max ctr with a shiver demo in fsc =3 herp
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 09:56
#3
Go to the core!
at the core near the end, thts chick is dual wielding O.O
so the Devs are thinkin bout making something into a duo.
just wait :D
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 10:00
#4
@Severage:
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 10:28
#5
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So it replaces a shield but still lets you block.
Doubles your attack power without any aparent drawback.
Do you know how is that called?
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 11:49
#6
As far as I understand OP
As far as I understand OP he/she is suggesting new sword class with default dual wielding "build-in" (like Lann's weapons in Vindictus), not the options for dual wielding regular weapons. No double Divine Avengers or Blitz Needlers this time.
As far as I'm not interested in dual wielding, this is the only suggestion of dual wielding, I've seen so far, worth (at least) considering.
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 12:59
#7
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dual hand swords... AGAIN? yesterday we had like 2 threads of this in first page here.
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 13:18
#8
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@Merethif you missed the part that says "but we cant use shield if we use dual sword... but we can block with dual sword... so is multifungsional item... buy 1 get 2 effect!"
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 13:26
#9
We've talked about this
We've talked about this internally so many times. It's just that it's such a major change with much of the end game dependent on skilled use of your shield. It could end up being quite frustrating if you lack one. Still, there are alternatives...
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 13:32
#10
@Nick
NOT THE ALTERNATIVES!!
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 13:49
#11
Well ...
The LD class mods are technically shield alternatives. I'm moderately curious as to what the development team has come up with. Surprise me.
(FYI, not a fan of dual-wielding, for a slightly different reason. All the animations would have to be changed.)
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 13:51
#12
Yay! I'm just happy OOO is
Yay! I'm just happy OOO is considering dual-wielding :)
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 14:04
#13
I'm not sure if Nick is
I'm not sure if Nick is suggesting they're considering dual-wielding (or some form of it), or suggesting that there's other ways to get the same effect (with slow swords) ._.
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 15:22
#14
Hrrmmm... Oh, Niiiick!
Then, could you give some vague, possible alternatives that have been discussed. Implemented or not? We will chat amongst ourselves and you can get the public opinion... ;3
Swifty user,
~Tsu
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 16:10
#15
Nick, i've suggested before
Nick, i've suggested before that the two swords can act as a shield. An animation where the knight will cross the swords to block. However this shield will only work for the direction the knight is facing, like the gremlin thwackers.
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:39
#16
Well, I think this may be important!
Well, how do you controll them both? Hpow do you block with it? All thibgs to consider...
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:06
#17
The sword and shield slot
The sword and shield slot would be tied together, block as usual, attack as usual. When you switch from the dual swords, the swords will sit on a coat of arms style mount, and be blocked with accordingly.
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:09
#18
But
how do you attack with either of them is it like a 6 combo or a 4 comkbo or a 5 bombo or a 12 cokmbo? ALl stuc ktogether? (Forgive my incredibly bad tyoping skills)
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:14
#19
I was thinking the first two
I was thinking the first two hits would be the same as the barbarous first swing, one sword after the next, with a rush in between, similar to warhammer. Then a combo of three stabs, and a final upwards swing, dealing knockback. The charge attack would be a rapid succession of stabs.
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:47
#20
So...
the dual sword thing is a completely different thing? I was thinking like a DVS paired up with a DA, or a WRH paired up with a Acheron, etc etc. SO WRH Slash, dash, adn finish, then Acheron Slash, slash, finish.
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 18:53
#21
...
Besides the fact that blocking with your sword would be weird...
Suggesting such a thing is a pretty big load to consider for the Devs. Think about it, up till now they pretty much re-use all existing animations. You'd have to create loads of new sets of unique animations depending on the weapons, and everything.
~Sev
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:01
#22
I don't see why it has to
I don't see why it has to remove the shield.
Just have it take TWO weapon slots instead!!! Shield still functions as normal.
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:09
#23
certainly
heck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ahSCKmJAQY to dual wielding
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:07
#24
@maena
dual sword... left hand 1 sword, right hand 1 sword... where we can place the shield? i agree with damien so to block we have to cross the sword...
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 19:12
#25
on second thought
it could be a flourish exclusive feature
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:25
#26
The Royal is Absolute
Technically the Spiral Knights don't grab the shield, they are magically hold in place by the wrist. So its possible to hold two weapon.
In dual wielding, the swords or guns should have half the damage of a normal weapon , but with more combos. Dual weapons should be in sets. Also you can't mixed them.
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 20:53
#27
well
perhaps it could decrease asi a bit (low or med)and walking speed a fair bit (high or very high)in change for 2 weapons. and btw 2 blits at the same time wouldnt be that OP coz u cant move while shooting it. and for dual wielding one button for 1 weapon and another for the second would be cool.
and perhaps only certain weapons can be dual wielded together. so u can wield a volt edge and a glacius but not volt edge and polaris
Fri, 03/23/2012 - 21:17
#28
No no no. The best, balanced
No no no. The best, balanced idea, is ONE sword to dual wield two of.
Perhaps a samurai sword set, and a dueling sword set
Sat, 03/24/2012 - 01:06
#29
So what you want is...
Just a cosmetic change so that we appear to wield and attack with two swords? Like the Acheron and its scabbard?
Sat, 03/24/2012 - 18:30
#30
Why do the people who are
Why do the people who are thinking of dual wielding existing weapons refuse to read the comments about designing new swords/techniques for this purpose?
Sat, 03/24/2012 - 23:43
#31
Because
It's the same reason why people who want pets have never read previous suggestions getting shot down.
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 00:54
#32
@Kentard
That is so horribly true :(
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 01:23
#33
it would overpower swordies.
it would overpower swordies. And on guns you still wouldn't be able to block because well rely............................ who blocks with a gun.
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 01:41
#34
well
those with the problem of no blocking with dual wielding should just not dual wield if it comes out. coz some would prefer to choose to not be able block in change for dual wielding. it wouldnt OP swordies coz then they'd die quicker. and in LD perhaps dual wielders could have halved ability affects. those who dont like the down sides wont use it. and those who do wont be OP. plus not blocking with dual guns is ok coz it be stupid to fire both at close range so it woudnt have a difference. but dual wielding bombs would have a wierd animation
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 01:44
#35
perhaps
maybe dual wielding bombs decreases CTR and walking speed when charging allot. the bomb animation could be one bomb in each hand and hands outward. and placing the bombs could be one ontop the other
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 02:22
#36
That's not the point.
Gah, the point is - two weapons. No.
And even if it's cosmetic, it'll interfere with a lot of things; have you ever tried holding a shield and a gun/sword/bomb with the same hand before?
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 02:38
#37
dual wielding GUI
i photo shopped dual wielding in the knight display thing
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4079/dualwield.png
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 04:10
#38
What I don't get is
Why isn't there a sword line BASED on dual swords? We don't need to ACTUALLY duel wield any 2 swords, but in fact have a 2 dagger/short sword weapon.
I'm surprised that even Developers don't understand the fact of a weapon that's doing this idea ALREADY within the game. Nick, you're wrong when it comes to not being able to use a shield.
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/images/a/a7/Acheron-Equipped.png
Nightblade line Proves this. The entire weapon line has you holding a sheathe in your alternate hand, along with your shield. This proves you can still hold something in your shield hand, and guard with it at the same time.
Regardless of what's in the hand with the shield, you can still guard with it. The shield seems to be more placed on to the arm, rather then held onto due to the fact that the Nightblade proves that you hold a sheathe on your hand (I can prove this by taking a picture of me guarding, and the sheathe following my hand rather than sitting at my waist.), and because of this you can hold ANYTHING in your shield hand, and still be able to guard.
However: I do not support the idea of duel wielding ANY 2 swords/guns/bombs because this may get Overpowered when I can go Divine/Gran or Acheron/Glacius or AP/Sentenza. Especially if I can shoot both guns at once, then it'd just be downright painful.
I think there should be duel wielding weapons made specifically for duel wielding: Example.
Double Daggers/Short swords/Katanas (For the Weeaboo furrys) for swords, or maybe even a Halbard/Short sword combo.
Duel Pistols/Machine Guns to fight like an actual gunslinger. (If anyone played Bastion, think the gun in that game).
And for bombs, the only duel bombs I could see is a Grenade type option where you throw both bombs in both hands.
Regardless to the idea, the nightblade line proves that duel wielding while guarding can exist.
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 05:14
#39
@nick Well i posted this
@nick Well i posted this once, but it didnt post. I'm gonna make it short this time just because i wrote it once and now i'm being lazier. Anyway, i don't think shields are as important as everyone thinks. I go on runs all the time with out them. I think I'm actually starting to forget how to use my shield as well as I can run with out my shield.
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 05:42
#40
Dual weapons? AWESOME!
Wow! Dal weapons will be so great, ex. night blade+spur or leviathan blade+sealed sword, duble pistols :3 Great idea!!
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 06:08
#41
@Quotefanboy i do not agree
@Quotefanboy i do not agree that you would be able to hold a sword and shield. Sheaths are rather light-weight and you hold them different from a sword which are alot heavier. Your argument will never hold any ground because you are trying to compair 2 things that differ in size, weight, and balance. In truth i may not know much about swords or shields but i know enough to know that there is no way this would work. The sword would be too heavy, burden your arm and weaken your defence.
I agree with you though that if dual-wielding was to be implemented that there would need to be new weapons that are set for it.
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 09:58
#42
Yaaawn.
Nightblade line Proves this. The entire weapon line has you holding a sheathe in your alternate hand, along with your shield. This proves you can still hold something in your shield hand, and guard with it at the same time.
Realistically speaking, have you ever tried holding a shield and a gun/sword/bomb with the same hand before? Or something that looks like that?
If you manage to do it somehow (because I can't), now try swinging your sword or shooting your gun (with the shield still in hand).
The Nightblade involves your character holding his scabbard. Granted it's possible, but you don't see him swinging the scabbard simply because it's nigh impossible (or feels really really awkward; or heavy).
Duel Pistols/Machine Guns to fight like an actual gunslinger.
Nobody holds a shield and a gun in the same hand; simply because the shield would obstruct the line of sight of the shooter, and its weight would hamper accuracy significantly.
It's not so much as to why we have something against dual wielded weapons; yes, I agree that two of any weapon is OP, but it's plain impractical given that your shield is in the way of your weapon. As for the analogy involving Bastion; I might be more inclined to agree if this game had two mechanics that are similar:
1. You taking time to pull out the shield from your back. A lot of players will rage over this; especially against fast opponents like Devilites.
2. The shield only blocks from the front. Again, rage.
Anyway, i don't think shields are as important as everyone thinks. I go on runs all the time with out them. I think I'm actually starting to forget how to use my shield as well as I can run with out my shield.
May I know what levels you frequently do? Please don't tell me it's T1.
Even if you don't need your shield; trust us, most of us do. Shield bumping, blocking a flurry of projectiles (unless you're trying to dodge it like it's bullet hell, and most of the time you will fail), etc. - you get the idea.
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 10:01
#43
Better way?
Rather than taking the, what I like to call, 'Halo' approach to dual wielding and just allowing you to mix and match weapons at will, wouldn't it be better to take the 'CoD' approach and just have set weapons that are always kept in pairs? I don't know about you, but dual Flourishes seem better than a WAY too overpowered Gran Faust - Divine Avenger combo.
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 11:39
#44
@Kentard
The ignorance continues. All hope is lost :(
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 11:51
#45
I've given up on all of
I've given up on all of you...
No candy for anyone now.
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 12:12
#46
+1 kentard is right, so am i
+1 kentard is right, so am i ( look at my previous post)
Sun, 03/25/2012 - 12:58
#47
@Nova-Royal
Nope, that's too hard. We'd all rather just post another rage-post at the OP without contributing to the rest of the thread at all.
Mon, 03/26/2012 - 05:38
#48
@Hexzyle:
The ignorance continues. All hope is lost :(
And now you wonder why people aren't supportive of ideas like yours.
Not because it's bad; heck, I think it's great; but simply because there's people like them around that just blow the idea to bits with their "ooh, let's have one gun and one sword, or two GFs, whee~).
I'll take a look at your thread in a bit; in the meantime I am inclined to agree with your stance; provided we can come up with something that allows us to use a weapon in the shield hand, and it's a custom made weapon so it's balanced out.
@Nova-Royal: As you said, it's held by the wrist, but it's still awkward to hold a weapon on the same hand with a bulky shield strapped to your wrist.
Mon, 03/26/2012 - 05:48
#49
@Kentard
I created that thread in order to allow space to discuss dual-wielding without the generic "no thanks because this and this" where this and this has already been brought up and discussed elsewhere on the thread
Sorry about my negative attitude, I just find these dual-wielding threads painful to read sometimes.
Mon, 03/26/2012 - 06:16
#50
I don't blame you.
I'm trying hard not to become disillusioned with dual-wielding as a plausible suggestion, but the ideas that come in here are mediocre at best, and ludicrous at its worst.
Glad to see we're making tangible progress on yours, though.
"so is multifungsional item"
Look out guys, these swords cause mushrooms to grow on you when you get hit by it!
~Sev