I'm not gonna lie, Stevo. I just imagined you as some teary-eyed, tsundere anime girl trying to hide the fact that you like the Thwack Hammer. Needless to say, it was an extremely disturbing imagining.

Now that this is out of the way we may continue the sci- business; not that other thing.

Though I do not participate in Lockdown myself as I have sci- business- to attend to, the lack of teamwork appears to provoke the soiling of pants everywhere. It has been suggested before, though I am unable to find the thread, to give gun penalties to Skolver and Vog Cub equipment for Lockdown balance; namely a speed reduction equivalent to the sword bonus given by the equipment.

I find some of your data corrupt and unfounded honestly, as much as I agree with your points.

Skolver IS superior to the (Arguably) most powerful sword in LD, and counters said weapon. However, I don't know anyone who uses Shivermist in LD (obvious reasons). I see lots of VTs and even some Stagger Storms in LD; both of which are, in my opinion, superior to Shivermist in PvP anyway.

As far as how many hits it takes you to die in LD, that data is corrupt.

First: You can't say "I took this many hits and died", without knowing how much Sword Damage said person had. If he was using Skolver, he might've had VH, but maybe he had a trinket to pull Max! damage. You can't know for sure unless he has full inspect on.

Perhaps the FF you fought had Max! Sword damage, OR he hit you with different attacks. Maybe he full-combo'd you with Auto-Aim, or maybe the DA/GF never got the second hit on you, only the first.

So you really have no basis for this. The data doesn't make any sense, there are too many variables.

The problem with nerfing toothpicks is that many people don't PvP, and suddenly their anti-semi-difficult Clockworks enemy killing weapon disappears.

Or, if you would like it put another way: inb4 OMG U NERFD FF PLZ NERF FEINS NAO!

Whereas I wouldn't mind Trollaris being nerfed, and not cause I don't use one. Because it's out of line with Supernova. You want knockback? People still use Trollaris. Why? Because it doubles as knockback, status and almost as much damage anyway. Trollaris can do everything Supernova can do, and is the best sword sidearm in PvP to boot (Damage is just barely lower, knockback is negated sometimes by status).

My 2 cents.

~Sev

...Any person with half a brain will not get hit by any Status Bomb, in other words? Stagger Storm works the same as all the rest.

UVs don't matter. You can't control UVs, people will roll for them, so that doesn't have any place in a counter-argument to why VT isn't viable. By your logic, everyone would just have freeze UVs for Shivermist then. I can go for Shock or Stun resistance on LD armor, but VT is better than Stagger Storm as well as easier to get, and is more widely used. Obviously the better status-resist choice. If people shivermist-locked all day, I'd just get some freeze UVs instead.

Ah, I stand corrected. I never use Striker, and therefore forget the bonuses it has. I'm also unaware of how it's plausible to say "Nerf only for LD". Currently everything is exactly the same in both PvE and PvP as far as stats (With the exception of the class-specific buffs, of course). For them to be balanced as two different games...well...that'd be...confusing, at best.

I never said nor implied in my post to take away Trollaris' knockback. Not sure how you got that out of it. Supernova has superior knockback, all I said was that Trollaris can compete with Supernova's knockback, even though that's basically the only better thing about the Supernova. I was merely illustrating the fact that the Trollaris is strategically superior in almost every way. Especially given its power in LD. For the very few who like to PvE with a Supernova, fine for them. But why go 100% PvE when you can get a gun that does almost just as good in PvE, and is OP in LD?

~Sev

All you need to do is debuff a skolver to making it weak to statuses. I mean, it the mad bomber get weaknesses to all 4 main statuses of CW (Poison,fire,freeze, and shock), why shouldn't skolver get that debuff also?

The other way is just go to T1 LD and play. There is no piercing bull, and no wolvers. Just get some heart pendants and circuit breaker armor and you have a game that's not going to have a billion threads about piercing and Trollaris bull.

Just get over it...

Who are you talking to? "Boosting all the sets"? "Unwilling to give up my weakness"? "Saving the Wolver line"? Where did I say any of those things? You appear to have a talent for jumping to conclusions.

All I said was this: If you would like to nerf a weapon or armour ONLY because it's too strong in LD, then I would be annoyed. Because I don't give a rats behind about LD.

Also:

"Heavy weapons are SUPPOSED to outclass all medium swords, and even more the fast swords."

Are you sure you mean what you say here?

Why can't we just have a PvP withOUT classes? Striker is OP beyond compare, and gunners like me who want to use Recon always lose! Plus, all weapons do too much damage in LD. Sure, they do just as much damage as enemies, but knights ARENT dodgeable. You can keep LD, but make a straight PvP mode where nothing is changed from PvE.

For one, LD is based on teamwork, not what one person can do. Although one person can drastically change how the battle goes, it should not be where one person can take the enemy team all by himself (no offence to players who can do that). LD should be where your choice as a specific type of class should not effect the battle so much, unless it is for the benefit of the team when the classes work together. I admit, I play a very aggressive style, and that is because I am a Skolver Clone, I won't hide it. It's the only way to really win as a swordsman nowadays. What I would like to see is more recons and more guardians who can compare their usefulness with a Striker and say "Yeah, I can compete with this class."

What I absolutely hate is how striker does have an advantage over the other two classes. Recons once they are found are Swiss cheese, and guardians are standing targets. This again depends on the player, but under a cookie cutter, thats kinda what it looks like.

Currently, Skolver Strikers are the players who seem to be the ones who can do this very easily. There is the occasional other type, but for the most part, it belongs to the Skolver clone.

The natural reaction to nerfing a strong overpowered piece of gear is going to be resistance, of course people are going to hate it if we decide to nerf it. Unfortunately it's one of those things that sometimes happens when something gets too strong. In a PvE environment and PvP, Skolver has huge niches (in PvE, it is perfect for any occasion that includes fights against a lot of Beasts or Slimes, and is hands down the best swordsman armor to bring into Ice Queen, and in PvP...well the above posts covered it's dominance).

I agree with changing Flourish. For one, it's a piercing weapon, so why is it's first attack a slash? Better yet, a slash that can outclass a slash performed by heavy swords.

To sum up my post, some of the drastically overpowered weapons do need a bit of nerfing, so that the other weapons become ballanced in PvP environments.

P.S. I, for one, would love to see more troikas in LD.

Everyone hates a shard-blitzing guardian... EVERYONE!
(Thank you OOO for my CTR UV)

But, in all seriousness... toothpicks need a change... These wulf wearing (Come on.. you know OOO's just being wolfaboo with their wolver armor) toothpick lovers need to decide if it's gonna be a piercing sword (you know... stabby mc-stab stab) or if it's gonna be a brandish that pierces. (Normal/piercing damage)

I say the wolfaboos vote for which nerf they want... I don't give a dang either way, but a nerf is required. Those of you wielding that banhammer about, I tip my hat to you... thanks to you I survive a lot better in my bomber gear.

As far the shield usage... Striker shield should have (what is currently) recon shield's cooldown. Recon shield should have striker's shield cooldown. Guardian needs some movement up here. Thank you for reading. Here's a cookie

If you nerf the Wolver line you would also have to nerf the Demo and Gunslinger lines as they provide similar buffs, though Wolver is more abusable due to its practical use for the substantial population of primarily sword users. Just because something is overused and happens to excel against you in a player versus player minigame does not make it overpowered in general.

This thread is bad. You can not nerf a set, because that is bait and switch on the buyer. I gave the in game economy ce/cr for the armor/wep as it was, under the impression it will stay that way. The solution is to keep buffing things until it all works out, and quite frankly, with the influx of gunners and the sheer amount of guardian health, i think that LD is getting more and more balanced every day. Dont encourage nerfing, its unethical at best. Im not saying all this because I am a skolver (which btw is a set EVERYONE can access, so stop acting like its beyond your reach). Sorry im a little out of it atm, recent holidays and all ;)
-Entropize

Demo and Gunslinger set lines are similar to Wolver. Demo has Mad Bomber and Mercurial, Gunslinger has four lines which are all craftable through normal recipes without any boss or token trade involved. Demo has Volcanic with +4 bomb charge with both parts in place of Vog Cub which has +4 sword speed with both parts; Bombastic gives +4 bomb damage while Skolver gives +4 sword damage. Justifier and Nameless sets each give +4 gun speed for both parts. Shadowsun set gives +4 gun damage. None of the Gunslinger lines have negative status resistance and have approximately the same defenses as the Wolver lines. Demo lines, excluding Mad Bomber, also have similar defenses in terms of bars and statuses; still excluding Mad Bomber which gives up a bar of normal and three bars on shock, fire, poison and freeze statuses for having +4 bomb damage and charge. Wolver, Demo and Gunslinger lines are balanced fairly well, except Gunslinger has no 2*; this may be to prevent players from taking advantage of the low craft cost to spam for UVs.

If Wolver line gets nerfed, so will Gunslinger and Demo to follow suit. So many players have it because the majority prefer using swords as their primary weapon, therefore they go for the best sword line. If the set were balanced they would have to either nerf the other weapon-specific sets or buff other sets to make them more appealing, like they did with Bombastic and Skelly.