Actually, I do see a lot of people using it. Even in T3, and they generally have very high damage.

No. This game needs PURE special damage swords. The hammer deserves to stay pure elemental so it can exploit those people not wearing Vog Cub. I shouldn't be penalized for using something that's made to smash a Skolver or Snarbolax wearer to bits in PvP.

Like Tsubasa-No-Me said, the damage is not the main issue here. If damage were a problem, then the GF/DA/Rocket Hammers would all be OP as well, which they are not. They have high damage, but give up speed for that damage.

What makes the flourish swords OP is their speed, range, interrupt ability and range on the first swing. They could deal half normal/pierce damage and still be crazy in LD. Admittedly, the swords are supposed to be fast, but they shouldn't have the ability to interrupt on every swing and do it indefinitely.

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@Tsub: I'm guessing you play PvP a lot, so it's more of an issue for you, but I'm still of the opinion that a weapon should never be nerfed just to balance out LD. And Flourish is definitely not overpowered in the ACTUAL game (that is to say the PvE, not the mini-game you're playing). For example: you say the first swing should "NEVER(!)" interrupt. Does that include say, Greavers? Because I use Flourish against those a lot.

@Hexzyle I think the flourish is pure piercing for fluff reasons, since it's a stabbing weapon. If they made a new weapon that looked like a cactus, it'd probably do split piercing.

"I think the flourish is pure piercing for fluff reasons, since it's a stabbing weapon. If they made a new weapon that looked like a cactus, it'd probably do split piercing."

Do wolver bites and jelly whacks deal pure piercing? If so then maybe this can be justified. I'm talking about game mechanics. Because game mechanics are a lot more important than visuals.
Also, why is Hammer pure elemental? That really makes NO sense. If anything should be split normal damage, it'd be that hammer.
Obviously it'd need a damage buff in the same update, but that doesn't defer from the point.

I'm a "pure" gunner, and I carry a Twisted Thorn Blade because it's much more preferable than a magnus.
Just like how I used the Dart Retribution pre-buff.

The problem with over-nerfing the flourish is that people will just turn auto-aim on and murder their attack key.

Is that any better than shield-cancelling? At least people sometimes screw up while shield-cancelling. Your mouse can be--what, 15 deg off? And have perfect accuracy with AA.

It'd be easier to spam the full combo than the 1-hit (Which some people already do), then people would just complain about how much damage it does.

Back to square one...

~Sev

@Tsubasa: Well, good, but you did say NEVER.

I don't think I like the new first attack either, though. Against groups of Devilites first swing/shield cancel is usually the way to go. So we're gonna have a problem if that attack becomes a stab move, especially since Devilites are among the smallest and fastest enemies in the game.

And you're say you're fine with people using AA, even with a weapon that benefits from it, as long you can "totally crush" them (verbally, I assume) for it afterwards? It's okay to make some things too easy to use, as long you can make fun of people for using those things? I believe I take issue with that attitude.

@Hexzyle: Hm, well, a biting attack involves more than sharp teeth, there's also the "crushing" damage of the the jaws. As for the hammer, I guess it means all the damage comes from the explosions, and none from the impact of the hammer itself. I admit I might be grasping at straws a little here.

" If you are useing something that is overpowered, and not meant to be by Devs, should you be sad when its fixed?"

Duh. How do you think this game got so easy? =P

Your point is..."I'll fix it so it's less broke, and when I break something else I'll make people ashamed for doing it".

You might as well not do anything to it and just criticize people for using a flourish at all, from a logical standpoint.

~Sev