I approve of new content. As a horder, I could care less about the auction house, but new content is always good. Hopefully they'll do a little rebalancing of the old content too so they make more sense. Like, why is it that the only piercing damage weapons are all ranged, but the best targets to shoot at with them dodge? Why no piercing melee weapons?

Also, why no piercing damage enemies? Wolver tanks need piercing damage enemies to tank! >D

OMG AUCTION HOUSE YAY VERY EXCITED *CREAM*

Agreed, the Edge swords look like they could really go somewhere interesting if they were expanded upon. Maybe a "heavy element damage" or "heavy status" branch for each.

Dear Three Rings:

Thank you. Again. Big, big thumbs up.

That is all.

Three Rings loves us.

I'd still discourage sending sale-spam back to zone chat; that still inflicts spam on people who want to avoid it.

As discussed in another thread, my personal favored approach is to implement a cooldown timer. and/or advertising cost. A lot of the offers on trade are being repeated once a minute- or more often- which is ridiculous, and greatly amplifies the spam. Not letting people repeat themselves endlessly would do a lot to make trade chat sane.

Separate global buy/sell channels would also be nice. But far before a big fancy trade update.... yaaay for story updates! I've been waiting a long time to see more sense of world added.

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- Nick

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Baaaah... I just think there should be a separate WINDOW for trades and such.

Personally I care more for the new content than the auction house. Doing JK / FSC gets boring after a while ya know?

Why can't there be more game design companies like three rings that know what they're doing and execute extremely well? Seriously, very impressive work all around on this game guys, cheers.

And even after putting out a great and surprisingly stable game (most games these days seem to be bugfests until a month or two in) they're taking things in the right direction post-release.

@leviathon, i like the level-headed, understanding take on it. It's silly to be mad at OOO for trying to improve the system. I think at least 90% of players if they saw the idea on paper would have said, oh yes that's great. I would have thought it was great. It just didn't turn out so well. TBH i didn't find it as bad as i thought it would be after reading up. On the otherhand, i really like the 1-2 minute cooldown on posting in tradechat idea.

I am super excited about new story for the game. Does anybody see an Alpha Knight that is now turned evil as a boss? How sick would that be, fighting against someone who has better armor and weapons than you do, and all evil and stuff? (not that we're not evil, if you've read the thread about us mining the planet and killing the ecosystem)

Im excited for the new content. Yay! I'm interested in seeing the story developed more so props.

But no word on PVP??? WaaaaaaahhhH!

"Besides PvP being lame, the purpose of the game is to work together to acquire the power of the core and leave the planet for home. Why would we be fighting amongst ourselves when we all need to do our part?"

I for one enjoyed PVP when it was out. It felt like Bomberman 64 multiplayer back in the old days. =P PVP was not competitive, it was something fun to do while waiting for your energy to refill. Some players would go so far as to rewarding the competitors based on their ranking during the game.

C'monnnnnn Core.

Remember: While one sink for crowns will be weakened, another will enter. Auction house taxes.
I don't know how this will balance out, but it is there.
Yes, and the last couple of paragraphs of my post talked about those fees.

My gut feel is that right now, probably over 90% (maybe 99%) of all recipes are used once, and they are used very soon after they are bought. A few key materials might be bought via /trade, but a lot are gotten from guild members. In effect, the cost of an item is the cost of the recipe plus the transmutation. After an auction house opens, it will be very easy for people to make premades, and and spread the recipe cost over many items. Recipe costs at the 3* and above level are very significant and in order to make up for that lost crown sink, people who make items for resell would need to buy almost all materials at the auction house and there would have to be a huge fee attached.

I just can't see how auction house fees alone could come close to balancing out the 7.5k-45k crown sink in the recipes.

Oh, and I'm not arguing against auction houses, I'm just saying that it will change the economy of the game significantly.

Gotta respect that we talk and three rings listens.

Auction House, well overdue, cannot wait for this to be implemented, going to make getting rid of my excess materials and gear so much easier. This is also going to create a pretty standard price for items across the board.

new gear, really awesome, hopefully that means we can wear more than vog cub coats from now on.

From the sounds of it, story expansion and quests possibly? Awesome, I've been hoping for a deeper story to keep me interested for a while now too.

All good things from the sound of it, just please don't make us wait too long!

There is no energy problem, only people who don't want to accept the game's business model and have to derail every thread into an energy thread.
No, seriously. Go browse the puzzle pirates forums. For -years- they've had a doubloon market similar to the energy depot. People still sporadically complain about doubloon prices, but everyone that has been playing for any significant amount of time has come to understand: This is the business model for the game and it isn't negotiable. Player-driven microcurrency market. So please don't derail any more threads into energy threads (and please, please, please! don't start any more energy threads). It is what it is, get used to it.

Keep in mind guys there is no promise of WHEN this update is coming, simply that they are working on it. It could be a month, two months, or even further down the line. Its good to hear though!

Senshi wrote:
There is no energy problem, only people who don't want to accept the game's business model and have to derail every thread into an energy thread.
No, seriously. Go browse the puzzle pirates forums. For -years- they've had a doubloon market similar to the energy depot. People still sporadically complain about doubloon prices,{...}

Yes, people will complain about anything and everything, but!

There are some very significant differences between the OOO's Puzzle Pirates economic model and Spiralknights. In SK, if you don't have energy, there is *nothing* to do other than stand around in Haven, and maybe try to trade a few materials. This creates what economics call an inelastic demand price curve. In OOO's Puzzle Pirates, in contrast, you can do a very large number of things without sinking doubloons (their equivalent of energy). Not only that, but there are many many things that you can sink doubloons (aka energy) that are very much optional such as the equivalent of buying costume armor, portraits and furniture (for guild halls), etc. When the exchange rate for doubloons (CE) gets too high, people can easily cut back on the optional things and still play the full game. Puzzle Pirate's demand curve is fairly elastic. There has never been a time in puzzle pirates, even when the exchange rate for doubloons (CE) was so high that you couldn't make enough PoE (crowns) to buy dubs (CE) to allow you to play the game 24/7.

Not being able to do anything in the game without sinking CE is a problem.

The other very important difference is that OOO's Puzzle Pirates has long-term :Pieces of Eight" sinks (equivalent to Crowns). All swords, clothing, ships, stuff to run ships, etc. get consumed or wears out and dusts. Someone playing 2 years on Puzzle Pirates and having collected a full set of everything will end up having to repurchase much of that again in the next 6 months. This keeps the demand or Pieces of Eights (crowns) up, no matter how long people have played. In contrast, Spiralknights has very few long-term Crown sinks. Once you have collected a few sets of 5* equipment, then what? Sure, you could collect another set, but after the first set of 4* gear, the value of everything else drops off quickly, while the demand for energy will never drop. If you have a set of 4* gear, and your choice is continuing to play by buying CE or buying 5* upgrades that you can't use because you don't have energy, well, most people will pick fun game play over having pixels they can't use.

Not having long term crown sinks in the game is a problem. The auction house decreasing crown sinks by dramatically reducing the need for recipes makes the problem worse.

Levianthan wrote:
When I buy a recipe, and sell crafted items, you're right: The crown sink is reduced; the loss on taxes will be smaller than the loss on the recipe would have been.

But the reverse is true. When you buy a recipe, and craft for yourself, the crown sink is increased - because your materials (which didn't sink before) now do so.

If an auction house changes the normal case to "most people just buy from crafters", then you're right - the sink is reduced. If it changes it to "most people buy their own recipes from the house", then it's not.

OK, let's work through an example of the 3* Horned Owlite Shield. The recipe, if you can find it, costs 5.5k crowns. To transmute up an actual shield, it costs 1k crowns, 50 CE and a bunch of material, plus an Owlite Shield (I'll address this 2* shield below). Once an auction house is available, most of the materials are going to be dirt cheap, and even things like the owlite feather is going to be readily available. With the exchange rate of CE to crowns being 4k, it will cost a premade seller 4k (CE) + 1k + maybe 1k for the materials for a total of 6k for the shield. For someone to make it themselves, let's assume they have all the materials, it will cost them 5.5k + 4k + 1k + 0 for a total of 10.5k. Sellers would be able to make a nice profit selling premade at 7k-8k (a profit of 1k-2k), because that is significantly less than what an individual can make it themselves. OK, I left out the cost of the 2* Owlite Shield, it works out very similarly with the cost to make it for yourself being 3.6k (assuming zero material costs), while the premade seller has to pay about 3k.

So, to instantly make a 3* Horned Owlite shield, it will cost a premade seller 6k + 3k = 9k, which is less than the cost of making just the Horned Owlite Shield yourself, assuming you count the materials and 2* Owlite Shield as being zero cost.
Why would anyone make 3* (and lower) equipment?

Considering that everyone who makes one 3* item can then use the auction house to try to make premades, I doubt that the price of premades will even make it to 1k profit, people may use their 100 mist energy/day (on those days that they are too busy to play) to sell one item/day at a "loss". It wouldn't surprise me if the market price for Horned Owlite Shields will drop to 6k-8k, maybe less. Basically, people will be able to get instant premade 3* Horned Owlite Shields for not much more than they could get a 2* Owlite Shield. And, they don't have to hunt down the recipes.

Now, all of these prices for build-yourself equipment assumed that you had all the materials, while premade sellers would have to buy them from auction houses. Well, if you have the materials, you can drop the effective price of premades by selling your materials to the auction house. By buying premades, you not only save a bunch of crowns, you save time looking for recipes, you don't have to even learn which materials you need, you just sell all the materials you can to the auction house.

You say you don't know whether premades will outsell people who make them their selves, but I trust people to take the quick, easy and cheaper way.

Trais wrote:
If the auction house works on crowns only there will be an addition sink at the CE to crowns conversion stage.
At current prices, the 2% fee on the CE market is only 80 crowns for 100 CE. That doesn't come close to even the 2* recipe costs.

Again, I'm not arguing against auction houses, but I do think they will cause other parts of the game to get out of balance.

Could someone explain how people are not going to buy recipes as often anymore. I mean an auction house doesn't magically level your items to 10.

(And I sell 3*s at break even point because that's where the prices are for em. 2*s get sold with a loss more often than not)

That's not something the auction house introduces though. If we only had t3 players with 30% of all 5* recipes each, CE prices would be accordingly high.

Or the comment above this one wasn't directed at me and this one doesn't make sense consequently.

The real problem of the auction house:

Materials currently spawn FASTER than they are consumed. With the auction house, materials will trade freely across knights. But since they are produced faster than consumed, their prices will trend downward.

Auction house plus dynamic spawn == win.
Auction house without dynamic spawn == market crash.