I see someone let Damienfoxy again on forum rampage resulting in not very well thinked topics and posts that are doubling already existing topics and repeating same suggestions over and over again.

LD balancing:
- Lets disable UV!
Still not balanced
- Lets disable Auto aim!
Still not balanced
- Lets disable trinkets!
Still not balanced
- Lets nerf all toothpicks in LD
Still not balanced
- Lets nerf all the weapons in LD
Still not balanced
- Lets give everyone same weapon and same armor in LD match
Still not balanced
- Lets have everyone play with same ping ( le wild miracle appears everyone have same latency)
Still not balanced
- OMG They hack, lets disable hacks!
????
- OMG They have better skills, lets remove skill factor from LD
LD turns into turn based game, Still not balanced...

You cant balance everything, if you will change one thing, another one will become more powerful, then you will want to change that other thing and you will be stuck in endless nerf/buff/balance loop and with every change instead of balancing LD, LD will become even more unstable.

"Asukalan, Flourishes are obscene and I for one am tired of seeing Skolvers walk through VT."....

Did you read my post with understeanding? If you will remove flourishes and UV, people will find another combination of items that will be most popular and most usefull and everyone will think that this is now new OP and evil thing. Then it may be everything, for example very much loved VT, what if everyone will start using it, and it will become the "new toothpick", a bad weapon everyone uses and all other who cant deal with it will demand to remove it or nerf? Even if something like that happen players will find another "best" weapon that will dominate lockdown and complaints will start again.

Suggesting that "nerfing toothpicks" will solve all the LD problems just show how narrowminded and blind you are, people who suggest it, and reveals your very selfish nature. And its not only about suggesting toothpicks nerf, i saw people complaining about hammers, about gran faust. Will those items be next? Or maybe not since all who suggest "nerf toothpicks make LD a dream" are using them?

So I didn't agree with your argument, Asu. That's all I did. And immediately, you call me... narrow-minded, blind, and selfish. Huh. I would have thought my friends would have said something about that. So, what did I do, besides disagree with you?

On Flourishes, I admit, I did exaggerate. They aren't as bad as they could be, but the interrupt is still very irritating. There's counters to most to all weapons- that VT guy is a lot easier to hit with a gun, or if you're wearing Mercurial, Divine, or Grey Feather, and that's the way it was meant to be. Polaris can be shut up quickly by a gun with more range (or well-spammed RSS), and that's the way it was meant to be. With Flourish, you can't often counter because you can't often move in the first place.

On UVs... Damien beat me to the argument, you're supposed to know by someone's armor what they're immune to. If someone's wearing full Skolver, he shouldn't be immune to Freeze, Shock, and Curse- just Freeze. If someone's in full Shadowsun, they shouldn't be immune to Shock, Poison, Curse, and Fire- just Poison and Curse.

Never once did anyone suggest removing skill requirements from Lockdown. We all agree that, ultimately, skill and strategy should be the deciding factors in the whole thing.

On a side note, Asukalan, please keep the insults to a minimum. It's okay to disagree with someone's argument, it's not okay to be a jerk to someone simply because you disagree with said argument. At least give people a chance to defend their arguments before you hurl insults at them.

Delete UVs from lockdown? I would say yes and no.
Yes, we do need an alternate lockdown in which we can not have UVs, but there should be a lockdown incorporated for those who have Uvs, and wish to fight other uv'd players. That way those who have their sets can stl use it and fight one another.

Ranking would be nice. Perhaps it could work like exp towards rank, and winning gives you like 10-20 points, maybe a bonus based on captures and damage (although that can be abused) while losing gives you about 1-3. Rank would simply be used to put people on the same spectrum as you, or maybe it could work like Starcraft. The game sees your caps and dmages and when you are in a rank match it puts you with some people in higher ranked to see how you do to see if you can go to a higher rank. Just a couple of suggestions.

First hit, yeah remove that range. Dont go to far though. We need to balance it, not destroy it.

Shield bumping would be cool. Perhaps a guardian only skill, or perhaps theirs has bigger range?

I would say increase crowns a tad, but nothing amazing. Just maybe by 10-20%.

I don't really care about UVs, I kill the same with or without UVs.. but Auto-target..

Auto-target MUST be erased from Lockdown for ONE SIMPLE REASON :

Gives Skill to players without Skills, saddly the players without skill have MORE CE than the rest.. so, monster UVs + Auto-target = False skill

I agree everything, as long as LD become competitive, I support all this.-

Your ideas are good. Your suggestion meaningful. If Lockdown had been implemented this way, lockdown would be better for it. But lockdown was not implemented in this way. To take UVs out of lockdown now would be purely criminal, and about the worst possible move OOO could do.

Granted, you didn't (heck i didn't--and i don't even play lockdown, so i have no vested interest here) spend a ton of real life wealth, or in-game earned wealth rolling and locking UVs specifically for Lockdown. But half of jempire did, half of lockdown (exaggeration) nearly did with less success. OOO was roundly and rabidly lambasted for how greedy and evil UV locking was. But, it is as it is.

But to then milk all those players of their hard-earned crowns (wether hard-earned in game, or hard earned at real life work and spent on the game) by enticing them into the holy grail of Godly triple UVs (knowing darn well this is going to be used MOST BY LOCKDOWN PLAYERS), the strolling in and removing UVs from lockdown altogether....a more reprehensible act i cannot fathom.

[i for one found the Supply Depot weapons and UV locking to be two of the most disgusting acts i've seen in an MMO...but this..after those....it'd be about the sleaziest thing i'd ever seen.]

Even the duel lockdown modes would be pretty darn underhanded, imo, as OOO would have milked the LD players willing to pay of their hard-earned wealth, and then created a world where it had naught the value they sold it for.

So again, i think your suggestion would have made for a much better game from lockdown, had it been implemented initially so. But to do so retroactively, after bilking your "nation" for all you could, it'd be about as bad a move as possible.

~which means OOO will probably do it.

This would be as morally unethical bait-n-switch as possible.

I'm all for LD rebalancing that makes it more balanced, i won't claim to know what needs balancing, as i've spent less then a few hours in LD. At first blush there are some glaring problems, but again, i don't know how those would change and shift as one became better at lockdown. But i feel these balances would have to be done assuming clean gear, and then the UVs left to unbalance the game as they surely must.

the only workable---morally and ethically workable--solution is the duel Lockdown modes. 1 for UVs and 1 for clean. I still find this a sketchy shade of grey. I just feel its the ultimate Bait-n-Switch, and even if it would indeed "make lockdown better," it is a course of actions none of us should accept by OOO, from again, a moral and ethical standpoint.

So merely on the point of UV-less lockdown, I simply couldn't support it. I freely admit that you have my 100% endorsement that this is how lockdown SHOULD HAVE BEEN. But too many people have spent 45k ce for a VH ASI GF or FF. Only for the point of Lockdown. There is no clockwork buff you could give them that would offset this. The same as the people who spent 10-12m crowns on rolling their super UV'd skolver gear. I don't like it either. But, IMO, they had an understood agreement, contract even, that "you can now roll godly UVs [to use in lockdown], please give us your crowns."

Wether these people spent IRL money to get this , or money made in game, is trivial. (those who spent in-game wealth, will now be more likely to have to spend real life money to replace them, as they are ever removing the in game arbitrage). It was an understanding, an agreement, and in my mind constitutes a moral contract with those players. To change it now would be a breech of contract.

Thats just my mindset on it. I understand others will not see it that way. I feel it necessary to state, that i am not a lockdown player, and while i have quite a collection of max uvs, all of mine are geared for PvE. So this change would only make me more competitive in LD. But i wouldn't want that, not on the backs of those select few who would be irreparably harmed by this. i have no FF, GF or skolver gear in my arsenal, uv or clean.

Anything short of giving Kennys-Knight, Rubeeclipse, etc.. etc... the option of turning their UVs back in for the crowns they rolled, or mailing 20-22k ce to every knight with a vh asi GF, and 35-40k ce back to any knight with a vh asi FF [at least the knights who paid for them, and didn't get a lucky craft].....there would be no way to put these knights back in the position they were before you broke your contract with them.