You understand that the way things are now, a team with enough Blitz needles and sufficient coordination could literally make it impossible for the other team to leave their spawn, correct? You don't view this as a problem at all?

I'd say it'd be easier to do with mist bombs. Either way, there's something that would ruin it- in the case of needlers, a Striker in Piercing-defense armor just dashing out to the farthest CP possible would do the trick. Plus, it'd be crazy hard to pull off- ALL THE ENEMY TEAM would have to be dead before you could needle them, or the guys outside could get CPs at their leisure..

This bug would just make you die in under 5 seconds by one skolver, now Imagine at 2 or 3 skolvers coming behind you....

SPOILER: You die.

Ok, so let me get this straight. Some of you believe it's right for the skill to be taken out of Lockdown? Really, that's what this boils down to. This bug rewards mindless spamming. Some people were/are literally skilled enough to take down 4+ people simultaneously. If this bug stays, it WILL remove the fun and satisfaction that comes with lockdown because 1. Once you get hit you have no hope of recovering if your opponent has something like a cutter and 2. You're almost guaranteed a dead man if you're facing off against more than one person of equal skill to yourself.

This new bug isn't fun, It's depressing. There's literally nothing to work towards if it stays. Just buy a cutter and a blitz and you're set. There's a reason that you were given a 1-second frame of invincibility. It was to save you from getting completely mauled by a larger group or weapons like the cutter and blitz.

@Bulby: It was skill to mob a bomber and poke him repeatedly? That sounds to me like... spamming.

BTW, my DR rips apart both CUTTER and BLITZ- I have still been killed all of once by a Blitz and killed like two or three times by a cutter, over MANY games. And yet nobody complains about DR, because you can pop a few Trollaris shots at the bomber and you're set! What we have is a combat triangle- Swords beat Guns, Guns beat Bombs, and Bombs beat Swords- and all of these enforce this. And it's nice to see that actually works. Now teamwork actually does something- a demoman can break out the DR while a gunslinger inside his bombs can go pew pew at the enemies outside.

Blitz in general just needs a nerf. That thing is reaching into pre-patch DR territory.

It's interesting to see some different weapons in Lockdown, but there isn't much dodging or countering any more. With swords, you just boost up to somebody, then mash the mouse button as fast as possible and hope you survive. I hope they change it back.

I quite enjoy it and but as much as I love usign the hammer/toothpick, I think swords should keep the old invincibility upon hit. It'll make guns and bombs more useful in team fights.

I went up against Thrillhaus' guild earlier today. No complaints against you or your guild, Thrillhaus, but I need to say that this bug really gets on my nerves for the following reasons.

-Hammers = 1-hit combo KO
-Flourishes (especially strikers who boostcancel) = walking death
-Gran Faust/DA = Hit or miss
-Blitz Needle/Cutter/Sentenza/AP= GODLY

When fighting Thrillhaus' guild, I saw all of the following happen (sans Blitz; i saw a WHB around occasionally) and I feel this strongly imbalances Lockdown. As much as skill plays into this new form of fighting, there's also the 'mob tactic' in which one must stay in a group of 2-4 strikers in order to not be killed by an enemy swarm.

As confirmed by Eurydice in a different post (in the Bug Reports section) this is indeed a bug, and I hope that Three Rings gets around to fixing it as quickly as they can so everyone can get back to enjoying Lockdown as it was supposed to be.

We were aware of the bug and deliberately equipped BS weapons we wouldn't normally use for the fun of it. We figured everyone already knew about the bug at the time so nobody would be taking the matches seriously. You guys had a fair number of hammer users too though so it wasn't that imbalanced.

I have to say that there certainly was a much lower skill requirement for this new form of fighting. All I had to do was turn auto target on and spam the FF or Hammer combo most of the time and it would be an instant kill. Having ASI UVs made it even easier. It was so much more effective that I didn't even bother reverting to my normal style, which says something about the learning curve.

EDIT: Damien, timing the shield cancelled first strike takes more skill than what you do, which is button mash the full combo with auto-target. Of course with the bug, I didn't even have to time my strikes and could just keep you locked in place by as you said, spamming, which is exactly why the bug needs to be reverted.

Also I laugh at the idea of you going "toe to toe" with me. Since lockdown isn't a 1v1 arena, and you haven't arranged a duel of sorts with me, neither of us can say we have gone toe to toe. If you consider "toe to toe" killing me once in Tier 1 where you have double my health, using post-glitch hammer spam in a 2v1, then I applaud your mastery of the English language.

What's sad is that I'm actually making these suggestions for your own good. With the hit invulnerability, I occasionally mess up my timing, or I have to back off if I can't get the hit in, and that allows you the opportunity to counter. In your oversimplified view of things, you might think that no hit invulnerability means I take more damage, but I'm actually taking less damage now as it is much easier to kill someone without them being able to respond. I've been able to go entire games without a single death because of this. With the bug, it isn't even a challenge to keep people stun locked, and your number of deaths tonight is a testament to that.

Regardless of 'skill' level the weapons are more balanced without invincibility. I agree it needs some tweaking !!but to go back a cutter line having first strike only counting and a blitz as useful as damaging as AP is screwed up. This brings more strategic weapons. Let's face is only three strategies before 1 FF 2 Polaris 3. Shock Bomb . Let's replace 'skill' with execution because that's what is. You should not be having execution problems after playing a few times.

You clearly don't main as a guardian.

What should happen is that the frames are removed for certain weapons. Concerning the cutter, I'd love it if every hit registered but only the final swipe of the combo interrupts. You know, how it works in the Clockworks. I'd like to see this happen with Antigua lines too; it would maybe encourage using the entire clip. Maybe. Ok, not really, but it's still a nice consolation for when you do. Blitz should be used as a suppressor of sorts, where it does little damage in a wide area to keep everyone locked down, not the total cannon it is now.

Incidentally, the rocket hammers dash removes 3/4 of my health at once as a guard with one penta. That's broken and stupid.

Have/take a stand, please.

1. Warmaster Rocket Hammer, which was a pretty good weapon before the bug, is now a 1Hit-KO monster.
2. Guardian Shield is now made of glass.

Autogun is finally useful, but i agree that strike needle-blitz needle needs a damage nerf.
Cutter is still risky to use, since it has low range compared to flourish/sealed sword.
Alchemers are a bit op. but whatever...

"i play lockdown NONSTOP, so don't you DARE call me a beginner."

Playing Lockdown doesn't make you a Non-Beginner. There's T1 Lockdown to Prove that.

"i play lockdown NONSTOP"

That's sad.

You remind of that Kid, Adam, from "Arby 'n' the Chief. How old are you? 10? 12? Eh, wouldn't matter, since you'd probably Lie about your Age, anyway.

so, noobs who suck at Lockdown think that pro's who have practiced for an eternity, should be able to kick their arse's easily with just click click click? this is bull, i trained for weeks in Dusker, now that this patch came, i get pummeled by this crap, you guys are just jealous IMO. your just lazy, and don't wanna practice at all, i practiced, i wasn't perfect, i worked my way up, why can't you? so, cmon, get some skill. if this patch stays, there won't be anyone to fight and do this crap, there won't be no SK, this is the End-Game. take away the end-game = and that's the end of SK...

Are you going to SUE OOO if they revert the glitch!?

I mean you were serious about the Lag probelm, Mr Law Student.

I thought you knew the concequences.....?

Would not use you as my barrister since your ideas to convince the judge/jury would likely be ineffective.