Spiral Knights - Shock immunity discrepency

Shock immunity discrepency

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Fri, 06/08/2012 - 08:09

Guyinshinyarmour

Since guardians are now useless in LD, I decided to mess around as a hammer striker for a bit. Now, I wear a shock max+med setup. It has let me swim through VT as a guardian, no problem. However, as a striker, I get zapped by VT. What's with that? Does the guardian class give an inherent defensive bonus? Or does striker give an inherent penalty? If either of these are so, it's certainly not shown.

Am I delusional (again) or is it like this for anyone else? If I am indeed of sane mind, then maybe this would be better suited for bug reports or something. I'm not too sure.

EDIT: People, I can spin around for several second, shield down and not get shocked with a max+med setup. It's not a timing thing. It's true immunity.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 08:36

Shidara

I wonder...

What shocks you? Keep in mind that 'max' restistance only grants immunity against weapons that inflict minor status. Weapons that inflict moderate and strong status will still inflict status.

ex.; Maximum shock resistance grants protection against Voltaic Tempest, but a Polaris can still inflict shock.

It is as of my knowledge unconfirmed whether maximum UV-resistance upon already naturally maxed out resistance will protect you from stronger instances of status, i.e. Furious Flamberge (moderate fire) versus Dragon Scale with singular/dual increased fire resistance: maximum or Dread Venom Striker (strong poison) versus Deadly Virulisk with singular/dual increased poison resistance: maximum.

Edit: Apparently I missed a slight detail. As Juances stated below, immunity to minor status requires maximum + high unique variants. (Or maximum on armour with natural maximum resistance. Yes, unique maximum upon natural maximum equals to a unique maximum and unique high.)

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 08:29

Juances

Still, immunity to mist bombs should be max+high, not max+med.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 08:44

Guyinshinyarmour

@Shidara
VT deals minor. Only minor can be resisted. Double max won't help you against moderate. I know that. The point is that max+med gives immunity for guards, while max+high is required for strikers. It certainly explains why all the strikers I've seen have had highs instead of meds for their second piece.

I'll edit my first post to specify that I'm zapped by the same VT. I can see how it's not clear.

@Juances
Well, max+med gives me immunity to VT as a guard. I've played damn near my entire LD career with this setup, so I know this for a fact. That says something is up.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 09:37

Shidara

Interesting.

I didn't know there were a class-difference. My guess would be that you got lucky? I don't know if it's been confirmed, but having a higher resistance slightly decreases your chances of being inflicted with the status? I am really at a loss here.

As for your comment on double-max not working on moderate and strong status, I was talking about natural maximum, in conjunction with UV maximum.

> i.e. Furious Flamberge (moderate fire) versus Dragon Scale with singular/dual increased fire resistance: maximum or Dread Venom Striker (strong poison) versus Deadly Virulisk with singular/dual increased poison resistance: maximum.

In these examples, Dragon Scale set already provides maximum resistance against fire on its own, but if you stack another maximum fire UV on top of that on both pieces, would you then gain immunity to moderate status? As with the second example, would a natural maximum resistance set, stacked with dual maximum UVs, provide immunity to strong status, or is strong at such an intensity that even dual maximum UVs along with maximum resistance on the armour itself cannot protect you? That is my question, and I do not believe there is any documented proof of this as of yet. If there is, do feel free to provide written evidence, as I am most curious about this issue.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 13:47

Roarr

Bomb status

I am not sure the exact time, but u gotta to be exposed on the mist for at least 1 sec to have the status to kick in. I have seen guardian one hit and shield right away on top of the mist and still wont get inflicted.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 05:06

Guyinshinyarmour

@Shidara
Oh. I see. Well, that's not what this thread is getting at. I know I've read plenty on your topic in the Arsenal though, though little of it pertained to PvP. Kinda wish I bookmaked the threads so I could give them to you.

@Roarr
Seriously. I can literally swim through VT. I regularly spin in circles, shield down in VT once I've killed the bomber. I do it hoping they get the message that VT doesn't work on me. Well, it doesn't work on me when I'm a guardian. It clearly does when I'm a striker.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 17:18

Enclavean

My current skolver set

My current skolver set actually has these UV's. Max Shock on Coat and Med Shock on the Cap. Going to LD to test this out myself.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 18:32

Aquajag

I'm a somewhat frequent user

I'm a somewhat frequent user of haze bombs, and I've noticed many a guardian who can drop shield, swing at me, and up shield with no ill effects. They seem to get a bonus protection.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 19:22

Enclavean

I just checked myself and as

I just checked myself and as Guardian with max + med i was in fact immune to VT. Probably a bug.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 05:07

#10

Guyinshinyarmour

Yay, corroboration. ^_^

Now I kinda wonder what it takes for recons to be made immune. Do they use the striker pattern, or guardian?

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 06:27

#11

Produkt

striker (and recon i think)

striker (and recon i think) needs max + high to be immune

guardian needs max + med

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