I admit, I am guilty of this. ._.

Newbs are a good heat source especially when you're pro at doing FSC levels, just sayin.

Stopped reading once you tried to differentiate between newb and noob.

Most newbs I've played with in FSC have been reasonably nice and considerate. They've complimented my performance and have listened to what I say. If I DID encounter ones that were inconsiderate, and kicking them wasn't an option, I'd probably just let them all die, hoping that they get frustrated and leave. And if they don't, it will at least amuse me to see them keep dying.

Or maybe I'd just go solo. Either way, I don't really see it as a huge problem right now.

Well its not wrong For Higher ranks to help noobs by inviting them to vana to earn money.
It might be possibly The same person that invited that noob in fsc using 2 computers (double earning)i do that!)
If it bugs you i suggest join another party.
And everyone starts as a noob, they eventaully will reach a higher rank (Circle of life)

I'm not even reading the full post. First thing, don't tell anyone who they can or can't bring on a run. I have brought 2 star players in t3 runs to the core. I have brought people into fsc and carried them. I, and anyone else, can bring who they dang well want to on a run.

If you don't like who people bring on a run in your party, then leave.

To summarize the rant in a different way: If you don't like the people you adventure with, create your own party and set it to "invite only". And if your guildmates barge in without asking, you need to train them in basic courtesy. (or find a different guild, where the rules of good behavior mean something)

FSC gets plenty of traffic; it's not that hard to find friends or good players to join you in your own party.

There are many reasons to bring new players along. If someone who doesn't have T3 clearance manages to join, it's because your party leader has made a conscious decision to send the invite, and they have taken responsibility for getting that person through. If they ignore that responsibility.... Well, now you have TWO fellow adventurers to avoid.

Respect that some of us like to treat players to a new experience; FSC is a very unique and interesting set of levels, and worth sharing.

Err by FSC do you mean the clockworks FSC or KoA?

Question. How do you expect newbies to become good at FSC if they don't get the chance to try it out? Even if they are underleveled, I don't think it's wrong to give them a "heads-up" of what they will face in FSC.

And for the record: a noob is a person that is bad at the game and never listens to either criticism or advice, and a newbie is someone that just started the game, and needs guidance to learn the terms, lore, strategies, etc. Just because someone started playing whatever game, does NOT mean they are completely bad.

And lol'd at "Economics People".

Lol, I like to bring nubs into FSC. Help them out a bit. How would you like to be stuck making 200 cr every hour as opposed to 10K? Hmm?

Dude, take a chill pill. This is just a game, not a life-or-death situation. Some people take things way too seerously.

Chill Pill.
Go Solo/Lock the team.
Don't revive the kid.
Ask party leader nicely to remove the sponge.
...
Do you need to rage at someone you once were? Got it. They're annoying, but we were them once. Sometimes even a veteran can be annoying.

I admit that I am slightly underleveled (4* (Ash Tail, Dark Thorn Shield, Vile Striker, Pulsar)) but still I participate in FSC runs with friends. Since I am more careful due to my lack of awesome defenses, I always end up having the most health, being the medic on my team. Also, the Pulsar's knockback also usually helps my team and the Striker is good for taking out single targets, especially Trojans.

tl;dr underleveled people, when playing carefully, are awesome supporters

Newbs are cool. The pointers you listed are associated with noobs.
Try again.

STOP Bringing Newbs into FSC.

I stopped reading after the first sentence. What made you think that every word in that sentence, besides "into", needs capitalization?

IMO, a newb is a player who has less experience. but a noob can be a 5* too. They are just a really childish players ad ppls who doesnt deserve to play the game. I know that you have been a ewb once and every great knight starts out as a newb. and they become a pro.
well,it just looks like you just transformed from a newb to a noob. Infact Dancinjen actually took me to FSC when I was 3*
(god, when was that? like 2 years ago?) well. that was a exciting but very scary experience. but it also taught me lot of things.
and I do help newbs do rus all the time. I dont think you have any right to say anything about not bringing newbs into FSC
though I havent read the whole thing, I expect more rage commimg from you. (at first, I didnt read all of it because it was too long)

Look, as a "newb" who is about to go on an underleveled FSC run, I will say this:

1. I am planning ahead as to the best gear to take; as my DPS and health will be severely impaired, I'll bring the most useful items I can. Health trinket, Pulsar for a number of useful tricks I know, Antigua for fast bullets, Swifty for faster firing, Gunslinger Hat for even faster firing. All these together mean that I can help the party by taking the aggro of spawning Slags, by destroying blocks, by getting throught the rocket puppy room backwards (Thanks, Nicoya, your videos help a lot).

2. As I will have lower health, I will be playing much more carefully, and will not get hit nearly as much. This will mean that I will have more health than many people in my party, and will be the medic, if you will. I can also shuttle vials, pills etc, and the Blitzers in the final room won't have to stop to throw Poison/Freeze vials when it is needed.

3. I also have a pair of arms! I can also carry statues or water, and I know what to do with both.

4. As all my gear is lvl. 10 heat, I am open for the heat transfer.

So, for those who would hate "newbs", they do have their uses.

I rest my case.

Heh...

Those were the good ol' days, ( starts to daydream), When I was barely getting into the game, almost in no time flat i was in a guild, still a noob though.
I do remember, ( Starts the flashback), when I was invited to FSC, right before The dukes chambers, then just before I got on the elevator, I was kicked from the guild and left alone.. LOL.., good times , good times.
xD

Okay. You made your demarcation between a newbie (someone who's new to the game and/or learning) and a jackass (still called a n00b, of course). Good. So we can assume you are talking about new learners and new learners only.

"under level... not even suppose to be there in the first place."
True, T3 is restricted by star certification. Still, you have newer players who have more practical skill or nous than 5* knights, and 5* knights who try and proto these runs. So by "suppose", it seems you mean that they should not, ethically speaking, be present at this level, and that doesn't really scan.

"They go...to get crowns. It's ANOTHER reason why the CE market is so high."
Presumably this is what many other people are doing when they repeatedly run FSC. Yet they're somehow blameless, with exactly the same intent?

Majority of the newbs that are brought into FSC are inconsiderate!
I don't have the stats on that, but it sounds like you mean n00bs, who may be new learners or jackasses; either way they have not bothered to familiarise themselves with the expected conduct. Actually, that makes them a jackass, whatever else they may be.

"In one of my games today this is what they said: "Oh well Booo !@#$ Hooo." "
That player was a jackass, and I am genuinely sorry for your loss.

"The game lags more when people join games...other friends join regardless if they want them to or not. [...] Lag kills."
I have the same problem. If you notice it so badly, DEFINITELY lock your party. In fact, it sounds as if you may need to solo, or restrict your runs to two-person parties.

"(This can be remedy by locking your game, but nobody likes that)"
On the contrary, it seems exactly what you want to do. You want to screen out the idiots. Lock your party. It's your prerogative.

"They get you killed all the time regardless if it was unintentional or intentional."
There are only so many ways someone else - especially one who, you say, is so quick to die - can get you killed. And I should know, I'm terrible at it.

"They don't listen!"
"Messy revives. [...] If you don't revive them they complain...asking to be revived."
"Some of them come in and ask you for tab when they "don't want to use their CE" [...] They shouldn't join a game if they didn't have enough energy."
"Many times they join and leave after everyone is dead or [...] they just invite someone else to to die."
They are incompetent, or inconsiderate. These people should definitely be told where to go. Again, if you run your own parties...

"It never ends! If you let 1 in, more will come! It is like giving free crowns to a beggar. They don't stop and it gets worst and worst."
No, it's not. You're talking about people who NEED to be invited by a T3 initially in order to participate. More will only come if people INVITE them. This is not an uncontrollable exponential growth, unless party sizes have radically changed in the last hour.

"How will [they] learn?" vs. "How do you expect them to go [in] tier 3!"
Yes, people need to learn. There are many ways they can do so. However that may be, it doesn't preclude their senior guildies or friends having them in on a higher run. A friend's party invited me to FSC for the rev and kept me on for the lulz (I was Cadaver Luggage - not even a Heat Backpack!).

On the economy side of things, you're saying that there is a great influx of Knights running FSC? That you've noticed that there are significantly more people playing? Or that out of the knights playing, you've seen an increase in new learners since the patch? We would need to establish the higher FSC traffic - no doubt the devs have such stats - before you might have a solid premise from which to draw your conclusions. As it is, the new learners you described HAVE to be invited, so we could say that, hypothetically, there has been a 75% increase in FSC running IFF ever knight who was already qualified and already running FSC invited a FULL PARTY of new learners with them on every run. And from what you've intimated, one new learner is enough to mess up a party run (I could not imagine anyone carrying three through...if that's their idea of fun, though...!).

I for one only play FSC with my friends. It saves a lot of headaches since 90% of them know what to do and when. Plus it makes for better talks during the run.

Higher FSC traffic can be directly showed by the CE Market which has now broken 8.2k per 100 ce. Anyone that has played the game since last year can see that everytime Three Rings makes it easier to farm something and lacks new content/crown sinks that the price of CE just continued to increase. Oh btw unless you are playing 3+ arena t3 run then you won't make the 8.2k crowns to buy another 100 ce.. its that KoA mission that is allowing people to get enough crowns to pay that much for CE.

But hey.. elevator pass ftw.

IMO, a newb is a player who has less experience. but a noob can be a 5* too. They are just a really childish players ad ppls who doesnt deserve to play the game. I know that you have been a ewb once and every great knight starts out as a newb. and they become a pro.
well,it just looks like you just transformed from a newb to a noob. Infact Dancinjen actually took me to FSC when I was 3*
(god, when was that? like 2 years ago?) well. that was a exciting but very scary experience. but it also taught me lot of things.
and I do help newbs do rus all the time. I dont think you have any right to say anything about not bringing newbs into FSC
though I havent read the whole thing, I expect more rage commimg from you. (at first, I didnt read all of it because it was too long)

I'm absolutely %&#&!# SICK AND TIRED of inconsiderate, obnoxious, douchebad NOOBS and NEWBS ruining my FSC! This guy I just played with went with me and my friends from Blackstone to the Throne Room. During the actual boss fight, he did his part by throwing water at Vanaduke. When I told him that it wasn't helping he said "fine! ill just stand in this corner then" and stood in a corner by the posts. I was about ready to tear his head clean from his body when he said that. He had made the whole run absolute HELL for me. I also hate people who let their friends come, and their friends are like 2*. Their excuse is "im as gud as u n00b" and then they get eaten alive. Please, PLEASE get rid of these helpless, useless, ignorant, arrogant, stupid, obnoxious people and make them play some t1!

I meant all phases, including 1. Also, there were NO fireballs left, but he continued to throw them. He was of NO help whatsoever...