shield with a bomb type bonus for bombers
Thu, 07/05/2012 - 07:36
something like a volcanic plate or omega shell shields as stat wise but with a bomb type bonus (charge med/damage med) like snarby shield does for sword type players but for bomb type players.
Thu, 07/05/2012 - 09:18
#2
Demo shield
If you have V.Demo or Mad Bomber getting more charge buffs would be unhelpful. When your bomb gets H10 it would have maxed charge time. For sword users they have the Snarbolax shield which gives them damage, the primary bonus a sword user would want to follow the bonus triangle (swords with damage, guns with speed, bombs with charge). Though it would be fitting to make a shield for bombers to get a charge bonus, it would be impractical for the veteran demolitionist. For bombers you have no attack speed, which leaves damage. Swiftstrike benefits both sword and gun users with a substantial +3 bonus but lacks significantly in defense if you try to use it in T3. In T2 and T1 it works fine, but after that if you want a shield for defense find something else. For sword and guns charge bonus is somewhat taboo for how substantial the bonus can be, yet the Seerus masks give +2 charge for guns and +1 gun speed while still having significant defenses. Anyone with Mad Bomber knows what you really want is more damage. All of the damage. We needs it. The precious. The Snarbolax shield for swords seems to be there to counterbalance how bombs get all the charge buffs while guns get Seerus masks. If they did create a bomber shield it would probably have +1 bomb damage for 4*- variants and +2 bomb damage at 5* but have defense similar to Swiftstrike at 5*.
Thu, 07/05/2012 - 13:45
#3
Perhaps extend the Scarlet
Perhaps extend the Scarlet shield line - a health buff might offset the vunerability of having your arms over your head most of the time
Thu, 07/05/2012 - 14:55
#4
But wait, there's more!
Or a 3* shield that gives +1 movement.
Thu, 07/05/2012 - 21:43
#5
*wince*
Mad bomber with damage increasing shield? Byebye challenge.
And don't get me started on Seerus. Swordies get a cool new sword, bombers get a cool new bomb, and gunners get ... armor? We were still smarting from being left out of shadowlair rewards!
A 3* shield with medium movement speed buff medium woul be awsome though. It would be great complement to quicksilver demo.
Thu, 07/05/2012 - 23:30
#6
AtswhatI'msayin !
That is, indeed, what I'm saying and I've said this before.
As a pure bomber, we NEED a shield. Something that helps out us bombers would be AWESOME.
Fri, 07/06/2012 - 00:03
#7
Yurp
Apparently Scarlet is supposed to be the bomber shield because it gives more health to use when you want to charge and take hits at the same time. What do you mean, bombers want to stay alive and have more mobility? Normally I would support more stuff for bombers, but a movement buffing shield would benefit swords and guns just as much. Does Swifstrike do anything for us? Nurp. Does the Snarbolax shield give anything for us? Nurp. Do we get anything outside of regular crafting? Mercurial Demo, the Seerus bombs. MDemo is pretty situational unless you have a bunch of UVs and/or Krogmo bomb charge trinkets to beef up your charge rates and the Seerus bombs are also situational but due to the specialized damage tends to be less supportable. Seerus bombs are still usable, even after the nerf, but not for the same massive offensive ability it once had.
Fri, 07/06/2012 - 00:18
#8
so
basically we need for a bomber type shield something with a +health and +move speed. beyond that that would make a good shield. i think if it is going to be some type of shield it should be a quicksilver jelly type shield or looking cause there is an armor but no shield so have the 3* and 4* do speed low, 5* have the health and speed up. name it Mercurial demo shield or something.
Fri, 07/06/2012 - 00:19
#9
Shield o.o
We need a med damage shield because even with full mad bomber we don't have max damage.. we need a damage trinket lawl.
Fri, 07/06/2012 - 00:19
#10
Dem gunners
Swordies get a cool new sword, bombers get a cool new bomb, and gunners get ... armor?
At the moment there are 17 Handguns at 5* (7 families counting all the alchemers as the same) and 12 bombs at 5* (5 families counting haze as one and electron in the same family as graviton). (14 over 6 families since RSS at 4* is perfectly viable) Gunners are currently the only class to have armours for Attack speed, Damage and CTR. With one piece of Chaos Cloak a gunner can achieve Ultra CTR without a single UV.
Not a single piece of swordie or bomber armour gives defences against both fire and shock while in addition giving two different weapon bonuses.
I thought swordies would still win out here, and they somewhat do. There are 19 5* swords split over 8 families (counting Thorn blade in the Flourish family), and they are the only class to have a weapon-specific shield, let alone have the only passive shield that goes all the way to 5*.
Fri, 07/06/2012 - 05:17
#11
As a gunner I'm already
As a gunner I'm already satisfied with Swiftstrike as shield. But bombers really should get their own shield. A Mercurial Shield with movement bonus medium would seem fair...
Actually, all the class specified armours should have a shield to fit their needs. Make BTS match Snarby armours and make a Skolver shield with dmg bonus med and Vog Cub shield with ASI med. Gunners should have Deadshot, Justifier and Nameless shields/bucklers/gloves that give ASI med and a Shadowsun to give dmg bonus med. Bombers would have Vocanic bomb shield CTR med, Bombastic bomb shield DB med, Mad bomb shield with both but lovered defense and weakness to the statuses and a Merculiar shield with movement increase med (altertaivly MSI low and DB low). No make these separate Merculiar Bomb Shield (MSI low & DB low) and Meruliar shield (MSI med).
Fri, 07/06/2012 - 06:05
#12
The point I seem to be seeing
The point I seem to be seeing in demo sheild threads is that you'll already cap with most demo gear.
The problem is that most bombing gear has become inferior because of lockdown, I can get max CTR with the recon shield and not use any of my volcanic demo peices. The one part you don't use in lockdown is your shield, therefore it's the best place to put your CTR for gate gamplay.
Normal demo gear should give damage bonus, and there should be a CTR sheild. All of these should have shock ressist.
Fri, 07/06/2012 - 22:36
#13
you forgot
@orangeo - You forgot that all weapons get CTR when the heat up. So bombers won't benefit much from more CTR at 5* gear.
@Zeddy - No comment on shadow lair rewards though, right?
@Nubbis - The merculiar bomb shield (movement speed low, bomb damage low) sounds great. Since it only offers movement speed increase low, it would be useless for swordies and gunners. If that isn't enough of a buff, maybe add a health bonus?
Fri, 07/06/2012 - 22:38
#14
you forgot
@orangeo - You forgot that all weapons get CTR when the heat up. So bombers won't benefit much from more CTR at 5* gear.
@Zeddy - No comment on shadow lair rewards though, right?
@Nubbis - The merculiar bomb shield (movement speed low, bomb damage low) sounds great. Since it only offers movement speed increase low, it would be useless for swordies and gunners. If that isn't enough of a buff, maybe add a health bonus?
Fri, 07/06/2012 - 22:38
#15
you forgot
@orangeo - You forgot that all weapons get CTR when the heat up. So bombers won't benefit much from more CTR at 5* gear.
@Zeddy - No comment on shadow lair rewards though, right?
@Nubbis - The merculiar bomb shield (movement speed low, bomb damage low) sounds great. Since it only offers movement speed increase low, it would be useless for swordies and gunners. If that isn't enough of a buff, maybe add a health bonus?
Fri, 07/06/2012 - 22:39
#16
you forgot
@orangeo - You forgot that all weapons get CTR when the heat up. So bombers won't benefit much from more CTR at 5* gear.
@Zeddy - No comment on shadow lair rewards though, right?
@Nubbis - The merculiar bomb shield (movement speed low, bomb damage low) sounds great. Since it only offers movement speed increase low, it would be useless for swordies and gunners. If that isn't enough of a buff, maybe add a health bonus?
Fri, 07/06/2012 - 22:40
#17
you forgot
@orangeo - You forgot that all weapons get CTR when the heat up. So bombers won't benefit much from more CTR at 5* gear.
@Zeddy - No comment on shadow lair rewards though, right?
@Nubbis - The merculiar bomb shield (movement speed low, bomb damage low) sounds great. Since it only offers movement speed increase low, it would be useless for swordies and gunners. If that isn't enough of a buff, maybe add a health bonus?
Sat, 07/07/2012 - 03:39
#18
@Hmmnm
No comment on shadow lair rewards though, right?
You want a comment on shadow lair rewards? Gunslingers have four armour sets. Swordies have a third armour set, and to get one of them they'd have to pay about 1200CE just to get the materials to begin crafting it (price of a shadow key * 2 / 4). Same thing with the bomber's fourth armour.
And what does the third swordie armour does? Only the exact same thing Shadowsun has been doing all along (with a slight tradeoff from poison for a bit more freeze).
The bomber armour is a bit more unique, I'll admit. Unique, but not very useful without trinkets and/or UVs.
As much a I'd liek it, bombs and swords are different. I'd consider a low CTR good enough.
Also if it has a bonus, it has to be a bit weaker, dont compare it to other great shields.