August 8 Update - Discussion

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Thalia
Game Master

Today's release notes can be found here: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/61701

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Artistbma
NO NO NO!

NO NO NO!

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Mikeyye
No! Mikeyye Disagrees!

No! Mikeyye Disagrees!

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Derpules
Own = have in inventory?

Or own = bound to you?

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Asukalan
I think im gonna make a list

I think im gonna make a list of bugs that exist in game and are not getting fixed with updates.

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Wodanct
This patch is the day a good

This patch is the day a good bomb dies, and making RSS pure pierce? The forum rules wont allow me that state how stupid and pissed I am and my other friends that bomb are. At least making the damn thing pure elemental because they use it for undead more than that horrible fiend bonus it gives. Or give us all the crowns and energy we spent making RSS back so we can make something else.

-insert extreme rage here-

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Skenderbeu
>.<

Everyone just bought all the crystal bombs...
Does this mean that everyone will get 1uv ticket per crystal bomb they have?

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Yukarie
If that's a UV ticket per

If that's a UV ticket per bomb... that is a metric TON of crowns that just got injected into the economy via tickets.

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Trying

RAGECRAFT those crystal bombs!

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Ranzoh
See it's updates like these,

See it's updates like these, where I miss out on a cheap cheap deal of getting great UVs without having to shell over 2 months work for something that is b. Just like that Haze bomb deal that I never found out until after the update. I wondered why I got some haze bombs for free and sold it too early, but more importantly, why the hell I didn't craft a whole bunch to get ctr vh easier just like the other vets. Dang these secrets, trapping the hard worker into the game more than them.

I was thinking of getting the crystal bombs, but this is one of those situations again, where I'm not sure what is meant by the update. I want to know too if the tickets only apply to those that already owned one before a certain time.

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Ranzoh
Too late to ragecraft, unless

Too late to ragecraft, unless they clarify that we can still get them if we buy or craft them now before the update in an hour. I'm not risking ragecrafting, I've already risked trying to resell a couple of items using my ce reserved to buy from a seller, so surely, even though it's tempting, no one would still get the opportunity to craft just to likely get a bunch of nothings and then not be able to buy the item he wants. The chance to profit a lot is way to dim for poor people that can't have the freedom to play with their ce budget. But then again, you are not probably in a similar situation like me where I still need items I want.

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Aumir
NO

NO, JUST NO. Even more so that "ragecraft now and we give you variant tickets". It is despicable.

They ignored our feedback. They have bait & switched us. They are lying us. They are baiting us so the change seems accepted. They are killing a bomb that was bread & butter because some people cried in PvP.

Worst patch EVER. Not Shadow Keys, not mirrored boxes, but this. This is the grand patch with the big nasty medal of infamousness.

Horrible, OOO. Just horrible.

CANCEL THE PATCH if possible, there is still time!

Need to chill -.-

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Canine-Vladmir
Ricasso stuff can finally be

Ricasso stuff can finally be worth something :)
crystal bomb here i come!

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Eltia
So where is the new RSS review thread

I'll be honest. This may very well be the key to me continuing playing SK or quit it altogether.

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Canine-Vladmir
Double Post time!

love seeing these players cringe!
lol cant wait to see a p2p super fan get angry! its called Karma!

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Fehzor

I've got two questions...
1. The 2*s are NOT crystal bombs for all of them but the elemental, meaning that I'll have to redo the 2*s for UVs, correct?
2. Does this imply that I will be receiving close to a bazillion UV tickets for all of my rage crafting :D? Or will I get 1 for my crystal bomb collection? Or do I get none as I have not bound them?

@Asukalan That actually really helps the devs, please do.

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The-Rawrcake
Assuming OOO aren't a bunch

Assuming OOO aren't a bunch of brainless monkeys: No. They will not seriously allow you idiots to ragecraft 100 crystal bombs and benefit from this right after this is implemented.

Also, I guess a lot of people still haven't stopped crying since this was announced on preview. Here's a tip: control your tears and try not to post like a raging 2-year-old, so maybe OOO can take your feedback seriously. "NONONO! this is WORST EVAR I am quitting naow" Would not be helpful feedback; shut your mouth if you don't meet the age limit for this game.

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Skenderbeu
I think it's 1 ticket per

I think it's 1 ticket per type of bomb so if u have 100's of bomb's it wont matter :P.

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Mikeyye
Zeee Patch makes zee Lethal

Zeee Patch makes zee Lethal Capital Injection into the Market!

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Wodanct
I demand the nerf of the

I demand the nerf of the range of Flourish type weapons, polaris, and that Three Rings fixes all the bugs in the game that we have to deal with daily for taking the time to ruin our only bomb that requires skill.

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Tenkii
@wodanct

"This patch is the day a good bomb dies, and making RSS pure pierce? The forum rules wont allow me that state how stupid and pissed I am and my other friends that bomb are. At least making the damn thing pure elemental because they use it for undead more than that horrible fiend bonus it gives."

I'm not exactly a bomber, so I went to look up elemental bombs.

Well, actually I looked at the patch notes.

Pure Elemental damage:
Crystal Bomb - 2*
Super Crystal Bomb - 3*
Heavy Crystal Bomb - 4*
Deadly Crystal Bomb - 5*

Seriously. That was a dumb complaint.

Also, I'm sure the PVP aspect isn't the only thing that factored into it. Their stated reasoning was that it didn't play like a bomb (it "shot bullets in 8 directions" instead of blast-covering a large area). I won't get into that argument because:
1) I'm not emotionally invested in it,
2) It's probably a tired argument.

Don't take that to mean I'm wholeheartedly behind how they're doing the change, though.

I thought I read somewhere that there was was going to be PVP testing done with the bombs. Not that I have had access to the test server, but... did that actually happen?

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Elpeo-Kasshu
Blah blah blah, TIDAL WAVE!

What is your problem with any damage type that's not split with normal? The only reason we wanted the Sentenza and AP changed was because the enemies could avoid the attacks easily, and that was mostly the Sentenza's problem. No one was complaining about the RSS split damage and you were going to change it with the Sentenza and AP but everyone said no. Why would we be accepting of this change now? I'm all for the new mechanics but the damage change was unnecessary for the RSS.

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Yonk
Okay

I'm not a bomber in any side, not playing with market, able to buy ce with real money, have already OKAY uvs...

I have no idea what you raging about, guys, this update for me like just nothing happens.

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Wodanct
Seiran. If you paid attention

Seiran. If you paid attention at all when you were reading RSS is going to be pure pierce. 90% of the bombers I play with use it for undead not fiends or wolvers. At least think a bit before replying with such a thing. Making RSS the pure elemental would of saved people energy and crowns. Instead Three Rings makes it pure pierce forcing bombers to buy and make another new bomb assuming the new mode for the bombs isn't totally worthless.

Aumir, the testing server is just another marketing ploy to get people to spend $10 to "test" things.

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The-Rawrcake
@Seiran, thanks for reading

@Seiran, thanks for reading the notes lol :)

As I said, people act like complete idiots when they are crying and screaming like raging 2-year-olds. Your feedback will only be taken seriously by OOO if you calm the heck down, people.

Wodanct, there are pure piercing as well as pure elemental options. Don't be like that to Seiran, and the test server is awesome. So many bugs and issues and things that were bad with the danger missions were found and fixed due to it. Specifically, a lot of the feedback will help get the new shard bombs buffed.

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Coneykrab
We really need some new bombs/guns in this case...

*crafts four crystal bombs*
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But anyway, now it seems that there are NO two-damage-type bombs, along with guns now as well. Are we getting new bombs/guns that do dual-damage, or are some swords getting nerfed down to do single damage as well?

I'm not objecting to the bomb mechanic change because I don't know their mechanic in the first place, so I won't speak on that. However, can we get some balances where we really need them? (*cough cough, wolvers, polaris, toothpicks, cough cough*) (<- Though I'm sure players will object to that change, I don't want this thread to get changed to that subject, so don't respond to that. :P)

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Ranzoh
Yeah we've seen the RSS used

Yeah we've seen the RSS used in FSC a lot mostly on the undead. But I've heard it was going to be a cluster bomb that hits multiple times. Unless that goes for the elemental branch only.

And why are buying prices closing the 200 cr gap between the selling ce prices now?

Yeah I know you prefer elemental, but I was just making a case for piercing. But still, probably won't do as much damage or miss the beast targets a lot.

And wow, look at those ce prices go. I just sold the blitz needle I bought, and am trying to get my ce back, and soab, another ce loss for me. Talk about bad timing. What a scandal, making guys like me pay for my crimes being the worst.

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Wodanct
I am surprised about how

I am surprised about how little some of you guys can read. Not once did I say I want a pure pierce or pure elemental version. I am saying that if they are going to change it that they should make RSS the PURE ELEMENTAL version instead of using a bait and switch and forcing people to spend even more crowns and CE making a NEW elemental bomb.

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Tenkii
@Wodanct

Of course they'd use it for undead - its current behavior and split-elemental made it more of a make-shift gun for Kats and a landmine for slower zombies, since it would be easier to land multi-hits on them. What other damage options did bombers have for undead?

If it were up to me, I'd have taken the current sunshards and turned THAT into the elemental bomb line, renaming them accordingly, then made the other bomb line the pure-piercing/fiend bomb with the 'sun shard' name (since "sun shards" sounds like an anti-fiend kinda name).

My main reason for thinking your complaint was dumb was that it seemed to imply that there was a lack of a damaging elemental bomb line.
Apologies if that wasn't your line of thought, but I tend to feel hateful towards the community when reading the forums after patches since it rarely reflects what I actually see in-game.

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Eltia
Radiant "Sun" Shards

Make more sense for Undeads to be afraid of the Sun, than Fiends to be afraid of it, no?

At least folklore common sense tells me so. =/

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Canine-Vladmir
Whats the problem with the tested bombs?

cant ppl move on? im pretty sure i will like using the new shard bombs. probally not as cool and fun as RSS but im open to any change. why? becuase OOO doesnt listen well. How many petitions are there? are the petetion working? i dont think so. For this reason i will be forced to like the new bombs. Lol it would be so cruel if the game masters just started this thread and wont look at it. Just to make us feel like were doing something :o
But really, can someone tell me the new mechanics?

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The-Rawrcake
Wodanct.They are not

Wodanct.

They are not refunding your RSS with another new RSS. They are giving you variant tickets.

Regardless of what freaking bomb you want, piercing or elemental, you will have to work towards buying it. They are not giving you the piercing version as a refund and forcing you to work towards an elemental version.

This does not force people to spend more crowns: it gives them more options. Sell your variant ticket to someone for a good amount while you can -> buy whatever one you want.

Quit screaming and crying like a raging 2-year-old and think about what you are about to post before posting. A lot of it doesn't make sense.

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Yukarie
I'll let one of the other

I'll let one of the other bombers who tested it more explain, but it's pretty much down to the fact that options are... more limited now, for a pure bomber.

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Heimdallr

But really, can someone tell me the new mechanics?

Basically the bomb explodes then sends out 8 (I think 8, anyway) smaller bombs in a circle. Kinda like a Blast Cube jelly.

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Wodanct
No, that wasn't my line of

No, that wasn't my line of thought. My line of thought was why not make RSS the pure elemental instead of giving us a gimped bomb and expecting us to spend energy and crowns making the elemental one. Either way I knew this day would come even if I have been against it ever since the idea was brought up. I still fear the new bombs will be a giant gimp and I wonder how many people testing the bombs on the test server were actual bombers and not people wanting it changed because of their Skolver clone dual heart pendant lockdown setup not being the "best" anymore.

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Yukarie
Actually, I'm pretty sure

Actually, I'm pretty sure that most people couldn't test LD because there weren't enough people to test it, given that everyone else had already tried the bombs out, and wrote them off as "why are they replacing RSS with THIS...".

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The-Rawrcake
Oh Dear Lord. They are NOT

Oh Dear Lord. They are NOT giving you a "gimped" bomb as a refund. NOT is in caps so you can see it better. NOT. They are giving you a 3-variant ticket to sell and get whatever bomb you want: elemental, piercing, or heck even shadow.

Please people, let's all calm down. Raging while you post doesn't help anyone, especially not the devs.

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Elpeo-Kasshu
Blah blah blah, TIDAL WAVE!

@Yonk

That's awfully rude of you, what if they took your flourish, and made it pure normal? That's what I'm not happy with. Now, what if everyone took your flourish, made it into a bat, and made it pure normal? That's what everyone else is complaining about, which is silly. Yes bombers will no longer have a viable weapon in PVP but we'll figure a way around that.

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Wodanct
Given with the old RSS going

Given with the old RSS going to be made into pierce.. I am really unsure said bomb could even contend with how DBB works.

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Ranzoh
The thing is. Who gets the

The thing is. Who gets the UV tickets and what is the limit? Is it people that bought the bomb say like a month ago, even a day ago? Excluding all those that are crafting it now? And is it only limited to one per tier level bomb? Time's running out, and we need an answer, and the CE prices are increasing and making those not involved in this pay dearly. Now RSS owners are rising a new albeit wrong price signal.

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The-Rawrcake
@Ranzoh All I heard was: "omg

@Ranzoh

All I heard was: "omg i want to BENEFIT FROM THIS! PLZ PLZPLZ OOO plz tell us when! Tell us when you are going to give out the tickets and how many you will give out, cuz I wanna get rrrRIIIIIIIIIICH!!!1!!1!!"

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Pookycakes
What Nick said :"Rewards for

What Nick said :

"Rewards for existing shard bomb owners
While we're confident that you'll enjoy the new way these bombs work, we also want you to know that we take changes like this seriously. We greatly appreciate the testing and feedback that many of you provided for us. Additionally, any current owners of shard bombs at the time of the patch's release will receive a gift as a thank you for previously investing in these bombs.

Via an in-game mail you will receive the following for each bomb you own:
Crystal Bomb = 1 Variant Ticket
Sun Shards = 2 Variant Ticket
Rock Salt Bomb = 2 Variant Ticket
Ionized Salt Bomb = 3 Variant Ticket
Radiant Sun Shards = 3 Variant Ticket"

According to Nick, as long as the bombs you have are from "before" the upcoming update, you will get a ticket. And for each bomb you own, you get one ticket.

So, in theory:

1 bomb gives 1 ticket, 2 bombs give 2tickets, 5000 bombs give 5000 tickets. Regardless of when you crafted them as long as it's from before the update.

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Derpules
And now we get into the meaning of "own".

Is it enough to have the thing? Or must it be bound? Hmm.

By the language used, having it in inventory should be enough--I own my whole inventory, after all. But who knows.

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The-Rawrcake
*sigh* Ok, we either get to

*sigh* Ok, we either get to watch people burn or watch the market burn. I love doing both. So.....

EVERYONE, RAGECRAFT 1,000 CRYSTAL BOMBS TO BENEFIT FROM THIS!!!!! Do it before time runs out!!!!!

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Pookycakes
I guess Nick would have said

I guess Nick would have said "bound" if he meant it needed to be bound to be elligible. There has been countless updates before where he used "bound" specifically and not "own"

But ideally it would be great if someone from OOO could tell us directly ^^

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Yukarie
Question. I'm not at my

Question. I'm not at my computer at home so I can't check, but... what is the price of CE right now?

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Xylka-Mkii
Interesting.....Now excuse

Interesting.....

Now excuse me while prepare as the rage threads roll in about it.

@Pookycakes
If that's true, I should probably get on now to rage craft, if I didn't miss it already.Though I'm pretty sure he meant per each level of bomb you own (which is a bit sad, because I'd love to see that many tickets going around just for lulz).

@just above my post
I was on a few hours ago and it was around 8.5k

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Hyperion
The bomb does not need to be

The bomb does not need to be bound. If it's in your inventory, you own it, like you said :)

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Gwenyvier
Hyperion's response to the

Hyperion's response to the request I sent.

"They do not need to be bound, no. So long as they're in your inventory, you'll receive a ticket."

Thankies Hyperion.

~Gwen

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Asukalan
Still its not say cleary that

Still its not say cleary that you get multiple tickets for multiple same bombs. Only certain uv ticket for each of listed bombs.

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The-Rawrcake
Do it before the time runs

Do it before the time runs out! A lot of profit can be made, ragecraft your little hearts out and make thousands of crystal bombs! There is even a purple post confirming this profit to be made!!!!!