As if you even needed a weapon to walk through a crowd of zombies. The DPS and control you're getting out of the 5* is way less than that of a voltac tempist or shivermist.

If OOO balanced things, they would actualy fix the original weapon, as opposed ot erasing it and creating a new one. Like the DA. When the shots fired through walls, did the GM's just change it into a brandish? Nope, they just fixed it. they could have simpily hard-coded the shards to spawn further away from the inital explosion of the old version. That way hitting people with over two or three shards would be impossible. Did they do it? Nope.

"Well DUH the Combuster is good. Its one of the beloved OP weapons."

Logicaly all the weapons better than RSS are overpowered! Yaaaay!
Wait, that's almost every equal teir weapon. OOO has work to do.

I know, I should type like you do;
-Logicaly- all the weapons that are -better- than RSS are -overpowered-

and useable if it threw everything that got hit to the center instead of spreading randomly on the shard explosion.

"Now, they COULD have just changed it so that there was a 5* version of it. But did they SAY that the reason was it's popular? ERR... LOLNOPE. Assume, You just did it. "
That's not assuming, that's deducting. I didn't 'guess' that that was the answer, I used reasoning. RSS was the least expensive endgame item, CE wise/aside from boss token items, and it's the one that gets a nerf. I wouldn't want to ASSUME that it's just some coincidence.

"I mean, the steam group that contains the OFFICIAL patch notes contained two interesting lines... One that the flourish range was gonna be nerfed, and two, that the Animations were gonna match it."
It's not as if steam has been wrong before, doh'. Why, I daresay you're ASSUMING that they are correct. Everyones assuming! Horray! I'll belive that the flourish lines are going to be nerfed when I see it.

"Try Voltaic Tempest combine with optional Venom Veiler. "
'Oh no, those are too OP, says Tsubasa'. I assumed, lets see if I'm correct as usual.

"Well, if they payed attention to the bombs.."
I don't want to pay extra attention to my berserk bombing team mates. I can only agree it looks fine solo, but in team it doesn't sound fit. Although most damaging bombs seems to be reproached the same problem so I guess it isn't different from other bombs.

"Matching Weapons to go with their Group,"

So why wasn't the pulsar nerfed first? It's rather... bomblike... huh nick? What about the cata for 'being too bomblike', the spur for 'being too gunlike', the brandish charge for 'being too bomblike', the graviton vortex's pull for 'being too swordlike'... the list goes on. There was absolutely no reason to fix the 4* first, there are weapons that are waaay more OP than it. The fact that OOO removed the one useful item that dosen't cost 800 CE to make makes me wonder... I mean, it makes me assume...

"Damn zombies won't even have a chance!"
They had a chance to begin with? 'Oh FSC so haurrrrdddd'

I've ran it in frostbreaker gear, is frostbreaker useful? Nope. So how does doing one room with some 3* bomb make it seem useful?

"IF I remember correctly, Grenade's Shrapnel does not fly a Nautical league, or cause splash damage."

Remember? Did you use one of these bombs back in nam'?

"They had a chance to begin with? 'Oh FSC so haurrrrdddd'
I've ran it in frostbreaker gear, is frostbreaker useful? Nope. So how does doing one room with some 3* bomb make it seem useful?"

Please don't insult my ability to run FSC. I was merely saying in an informal manner that these bombs can do very well in FSC, especially if more than 1 is used. It would become like a giant minefield where Zombies can't dodge, more in smaller areas than anywhere else.

"Please don't insult my ability to run FSC. I was merely saying in an informal manner that these bombs can do very well in FSC"

It's not an insult. Stop twisting words. I'm simply saying that using an item in FSC proves absolutely nothing. don't wave the troll flag at everyone who disagrees with you, 'personaly' I find it 'insulting'.

I have this bomb and I dont see it worth using over DBB. DBB has no knock-back and you can hit "all" the zombies instead of some of them, its better to get consistent hits on all of them as rarely do you hit one zombie with 2 shards enough to make up for it. DBB+VT is even better. Its pretty disappointing how much damage the elemental shard bomb does with max damage bonus >.>

This is not the place for that. -.-'
I had made the thread when the original threads targeting Soarel had come up.

'This isn't the place to expose my battle plans! post it in the thread where I have more backup!'

Also, I was no fan of the soreal thing, but at this point its really just a meme used for reference. I'm sure he's moved on, you should too.

"I quite like the new bomb. I miss the old bomb. I'm pretty certain they'll change the Winmillion and Polaris if you keep talking about how they don't act like the rest of their weapon types."
Then why should I stop? Almost any change to the would make it better, and trollaris is a well known OP gun that basicaly works around the charge time increase strikers have for bombs.

"Why change Polaris to make it more gunlike? I like variety."

I was being sarcastic, I simply meant that since guns can be too bomblike, bombs should be too gunlike.

Guys. Relax. Laugh at Mario for a bit.

Now Tsu, judging by your level 3 (not 3*, level 3, it's a 4* or 5* bomb... just to clarify) a maxed DCB will be an impressive Zombie-killer. I'd personally like to see you take on a few groups of Greavers or Devilites, as you said you could handle them (on Guild Chat, the other day). Or Spookats, they're always annoying. Or Almirian Crusaders, when Legion of Almire comes around.

Now that I know where you came from, let me explain to you why these new shiny cluster bombs aren't that great.

I have been a bomber since Day 1 I played SK. What people don't seem to realize the true potential of bombs is that, you can stack them if you are fast enough. I called this "Bomb Cocktails". So take RJP as an example. Want to get rid of those annoying jellies? Sure, lay down VT and then follow up by AoA. Take a walk in the park. Jellies still not dead, another round of bomb cocktail. Done!

Clustered Zombies in FSC? No problemo. VT + VV. Your teammates don't like VT? No problem, throw in an Electron Vortex and let them charge swords on the compressed zombies. Everyone is happy because these bombs don't lag their gimped PC and the bombers are safe in both cases.

So the point here is that, to effectively use bombs, you need to pay attention to 2 things:

1. how do you deliver the bombs to your targets; and
2. how do you (and your party) get out of safety.

Nitronome is the most generic bomb in this game because it doesn't get resisted by any mobs. I have CTR max on my Nitro and I rarely used it. Why? Because my party would want to kill me for lagging their PC and knocking mobs everywhere (so they can't charge attack on them)! So that's what #2 is about. As for #1, there are again two ways:

• you lead (or bump) your targets into AoE; or
• your bombs suck them in.

Cluster bombs fall into first bullet point. Now the question is, when you charge bombs, mobs tend to target you and surround you. OK, you lay these cluster bombs (this requires precise timing). Now do you stay at the center or GTFO? Judging from your video, you chose to GTFO. That's a fair decision. But the mobs would move as a result and so your baby bombs would miss some target, right? Ok no problem, you say, I'll lay more bomb and have more baby bombs! Yes dear, except that these clustered explosion would lag your teammates so much they would go solo on you. (P.S. is that why you were solo in both video? o_O)

My belief is that the art of bombing has matured enough before the patched bombs, with RSS being an integral part to the whole art because it's fast and it doesn't lag other people. These new cluster bombs, while shiny, don't add anything new but they do it in a much poorer and intrusive way.

If RSS was not bomb-like, turn it into a gun. Normal attack is one simple shot, charge is 8-way glory.

I'd take that over to what they did.

You are aware that she was talking about Heat level 3, right? It's obviously 5*.

That.

Is.

EPIC.

Although I do still prefer to use my Khorovod charges in FSC. For effective IMO. Although the knockback is wacky.