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Support bomber Loadout (3 slots)

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Mon, 09/17/2012 - 01:53
Kxdx's picture
Kxdx

support bomber loadout question:
Volcanic Demo helm and suit for VH CTR

Shivermist buster
Venom viler (I understand it's weak but it doesn't break ice)
nitro bomb (when my team isn't being useful and they deserve a blinding)

alternatively
Mad bomber suit and Volcanic Demo Helm (i don't like the mohawk)
shivermist buster
Ash of agni
Dark Briar Barrage

(I only have 3 weapon slots and 1 trinklet slot)
which one of these loadouts would best support a team and are there any suggestions on changes?

Determined on getting Vdemo helm and suit, no more debate on armour.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 05:35
#1
Bopp's picture
Bopp
both work

Both loadouts work. So my comments are kind of superfluous, but here goes.

DBB is far more party-friendly than Nitro, because it has little or no knockback. Of course, it's of a different damage type, with all that entails. Ash of Agni and Venom Veiler are both good. Consider also Voltaic Tempest.

You seem focused on Shivermist Buster. This is a killer weapon in some circumstances (e.g. Vanaduke with a powerful charge weapon). In many situations, however, advanced players will ask you not to use it, because freeze hinders kiting, knockback, shield bumping, etc. So every bomber should have it, but you might leave it out of your default loadout.

If you don't like the mohawk, consider wearing a costume. Alternatively, I know that hard-core bombers love Mad Bomber, because the offense is so strong, but don't feel ashamed if you find yourself wanting the better defense of Volcanic Demo.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 06:29
#2
Kxdx's picture
Kxdx
thank you bopp

thank you bopp but in your opinion, would you actually suggest i go for 2 haze bombs or change it for a Vortex as Aureate suggested in the other thread?
Also, thank you for reassuring my own opinion of meriting defence over offensive capabilities. (thanks for giving an "ok" on the Vdemo)

Other than those comments I believe I will now go with voltaic tempest and ash of agni (outside of Vanaduke).

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 06:29
#3
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Krysophylax
Full Volcanic might be the

Full Volcanic might be the safest option for you if you're primarily a support bomber, as Mad's offensive bonuses won't be as useful to you. A Damage trinkie should be enough of a damage buff.

Both of those set ups are viable but I would highly suggest you get an Electron Vortex, it will help your party out immensely by gathering all the monsters into a compact group, allowing them to unleash charge attacks into the crowd and you'll tear through levels considerably faster. It can also be used as a DPS bomb to a certain extent if u learn to chain them.

As Bopp suggested, you should probably leave Shiver off your default loadout and mostly keep it for FSC (mainly Vanaduke) and Shadow Lairs.

For a general set I would recommend something like this:

EV
AoA / VT
DBB / V V / Nitro

Use VT over AoA on fire themed levels. DBB on anything that doesnt resist it as the lack of knockback wont hurt your teammates as much and Nitro in other cases. There's always exceptions of course, sometimes knockback will be extremely useful, use your own discretion. V V may prove more useful when there's many healers. Against beasts and gremlins and maybe fiends where EV wont be as useful, bring a DPS bomb or an extra status.

AoA also pairs nicely with VT, particularly in arenas or the RJP.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 06:52
#4
Kxdx's picture
Kxdx
Very strong advice.

thank you Krysophylax on the advice. I will highly consider the options you have presented.

Even though I'm supporting and not going for damage shouldn't I still mix damage by adding an Graviton Vortex instead of a EV or is the EV just more powerful and the shock is too useful?

I feel I should have mentioned this earlier. I know you have both mentioned the nitro because I stated it but personally I would like to avoid using the blue screen of death (I am in no way underestimating its power or usefulness) because I don't feel I should invest in a bomb that would harm the party.
Does this make my choices easier?

currently thinking
EV
AoA / VT (or shiv for vanaduke)
DBB / AoA (AoA not for vanaduke)

"I don't want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone if possible" - charlie chaplin
I don't have to deal the most damage, I just want to help people with my bombs.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 07:05
#5
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Bopp
vortex bombs

Kxdx, vortex bombs can be delightful. I mean, if you're playing with guildies who go nuts with sword charges when you start dropping vortices, then they're great fun, and they can really speed up fights against crowds. If you're playing with randoms who ignore your vortices, then they're depressing. Anyway, you should definitely try them. (Notice that EV requires lots of PvP. GV doesn't, but is regarded as slightly weaker.) But I think that both VT and AoA are more widely useful, and hence a higher priority.

If you solo a lot, consider sometimes carrying an elemental gun (or maybe Valiance), as you're going to have trouble against fields of turrets. Also, sometimes you will use your third weapon slot just for heating.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 07:30
#6
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Krysophylax
Well, Electron Vortex is just

Well, Electron Vortex is just more useful in general. Not that Graviton is bad or anything. You'll just find that it will throw things everywhere more often than EV since it lacks shock, though this can be counteracted slightly by making sure you cluster together a large group of enemies (4 enemies is the minimum to gaurantee that they wont get thrown around randomly when the shock doesn't proc for EV, so I assume it would be similar for GV, I don't own one so I cant test). Also shock is pretty amazing on something that draws enemies into tight clusters, it can rack up huge damage in those situations.

Additionally, the main feature of vortexes is the suction not the damage. They can be used for DPS purposes, but this takes practice and other bombs do it more easily and probably better. The main things you want to vortex are undead, jellies and constructs. 2 of those are weak to elemental, the other is neutral to it. GV + VT would be awesome against slimes don't get me wrong, but EV would suffice. If you want shadow damage, DR wins hands down for bombs, and the shadow crystal bombs would probably be more powerful than GV.

In regards to Nitro, if it doesn't suit your playstyle then don't use it, but there are party safe ways to use it. Pair it with Shiver or VT. EV would work too. Or position bombs so you push things side to side rather than spamming and blowing them everywhere, or push the enemies into a corner. Using Nitro in a party just requires more caution and awareness. Maybe experiment with the lower star blast bombs if you havn't already to find out whether you like it or not, and if it turns out that you don't then it doesn't matter, its not a necessity.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 08:56
#7
Kxdx's picture
Kxdx
again very strong advice.

@bopp I did notice that EV will require a lot of PvP and will be a deterrent for me at the start but I will work towards incorporating it in my loadout.
I will think about the valiance as a "secondary weapon" to my bombing as I remember you commenting on a thread about it previously.
I don't believe i will be solo'ing much, let alone bomb solo'ing (I'm a swordswoman wishing to drastically change her play style.)

@Krysophylax
thank you for your recommendations, advice, warnings and even starter tips on using the EV. This has helped my opinion on the EV and I believe it will be worth the activity of fisticuffs in the PvP arena.
Sadly the DR is out of reach at the moment due to being part of the expansion pack and I do not plan on purchasing it any time soon.
again thank you for the advice, warnings and tips on using the nitro but sadly I do not believe I will follow this alchemy path and plan on going with the safer party option of DBB.

Thank you both very much and I hope this thread helps similar bombers in my position.

Mon, 09/17/2012 - 11:07
#8
Bopp's picture
Bopp
you're welcome

You're welcome. Enjoy.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 08:01
#9
Gunnerific's picture
Gunnerific
D:<

i fine your hate again mohawks offencive!
Anyhow maybe spilt the 2 into more focused 'modes'

1st (agressive)
AoA, DBB, Nitrome
-for soloing, or to carry weaker party members (dumber/or lower tier then you)

2nd (supportive)
VV, Shiv, and maybe get a VT or a graviton/electron? (or DBB since knock back won't hurt party members much but still blind them :3)
-for parties or supporting stronger party members (swordies/gunners of same teir)

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