Absurd amount of multi-tokens for endgame item

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Il-Mono-Il

Hi! Monocelha greets everyone!

I'm here to suggest an easy thing to implement.

How about new trinkets? They dont need (lots of) design.
Endgamers have lots of tokens, and already hav all (if they care) the status trinkets.

How about 150 primal, 150 grim and 150 forge sparks for one USEFUL and RARE trinket? Maybe it can give +1 resist agaist all status, a nice thing to use with chaos gear.
Well, i just dont like to waste all my tokens taking mats to sell...
Maybe is just me :)

What do you think?
You can suggest somethig more cool, too.

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Canine-Vladmir
derp?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
idk, for me, 150 tokens is just 50 over the 5* trinket.
but hey, if the developers are up for it, then so am i.

note: i probally put too much Ha's

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Il-Mono-Il
Hahahaha

Yes, this is why they can be OP...
Is not so easy/fast to get 450 tokens.

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Darkbrady
I think what you want to say

I think what you want to say is "useful/rare/unique". A multi status trinky would be good, and I approve of the idea of adding more expensive (multi-)token rewards, especially if it is unique items like that.

But don't ever say you want an OP item in the game, especially when its cost would be high, as it just sounds like you're asking for long-term players to get unfair bonuses over the rest of the community. We don't want, nor need, OP trinkies, but some multi-token expensive rewards, such as multi-status resistance, would be a good addition, imo.

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Il-Mono-Il
^ exactly

Hey, you explain my idea better than myself xD
I'm not good with english, specially when typing in my mobile phone (cant use google tradutor =] ).

And, yes, i dont want a OP item, i want a rare and useful one... Thx bro!

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Little-Juances

We all have loads of tokens because current trinkets are bad. I'd rebalance what we have rather than including new ones.

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Canine-Vladmir
wait....

did u make a typo?
Op says 150 tokens for a trinket but comment #2 says 450 tokens.
cuz if its 450 instead of 150 then im willing to support.

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Little-Juances

Maths fail.
150 of each type make 450 total.

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Headhonchoburnside
interesting idea

I like your idea! I've been saving all of my tokens (from bosses and from boxes) and haven't turned in any in a LONG time (it's a great little growing nest-egg I have going). For me, the only trinkets I ever use are Heart Trinkets -- extra health can go a long way to success. If there were "special" (and yes definitely highly expensive) multi-status-resist trinkets I would definitely be interested in the idea.

"I'd rebalance what we have rather than including new ones."

That would be awesome too -- the rebalancing.

Or if none of that maybe make special stages that can only be accessed using your Tokens? Something at least...

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Bugtester
Ha

Balancing in MY SK? That's a good one.
Except for that, new and better trinkets would be welcome.

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Oatmonster
Lick

No, a "high" cost (which isn't even that high) doesn't justify OP items.

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Il-Mono-Il
Responses!

@head........
Nice ideas too!
More ideas, more fun, guys!

@oatmonster
I love you.

@little-juances
yes, we need better trinkets... And why keep sleep, and why we have not stun?

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Oatmonster
Lick

Just saying, if a high cost was the only thing you needed to obtain overpowered items (which a game really shouldn't have), then why not have an "Ultimate Heart Pendant" which gave you 18 extra health (3 times the bonus of the penta heart, seeing as yours has 3 times the protection of the other 5* status trinkets) and costed 50 enamorocks to upgrade from a tetra heart?

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Il-Mono-Il
Oatmonster, you need some love...

Like i said in post #4, i dont need a OP item, i want a useful and rare one.
*hugs oatmonster

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Oatmonster
Lick

In your original post you explicitly state "... for one OP trinket..."

Then you go about describing a trinket with 6 times the resistance of a comparable trinket. Seems to me like you are definitely asking for an over powered item.

"I want a useful and rare one."

A trinket that gives you 18 extra health seems useful, and with your definition of rare, the cost of 50 enamorocks makes it rare.

And like I said before, slapping a big price tag on it doesn't make it any less OP, and it certainly doesn't make it rare.

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Luguiru

"How about 150 primal, 150 grim and 150 forge sparks for one OP trinket? Maybe it can give +1 resist against all status, a nice thing to use with chaos gear."

"one OP trinket"
"about 150 primal, 150 grim and 150 forge sparks"

"i dont need a OP item, i want a useful and rare one"
"dont need a OP item"
"useful and rare"

How can it be overpowered while not overpowered?
Since when are the common tokens rare?

Your system be broke.

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Il-Mono-Il
Ok, i'll edit my OP.

But you can buy enamorocks, they aren't rare.
And a 5* trinket have +2 resistance, and i'm suggesting a trinket with +1 for each status (6). So, it don't have 6x times more res, hav 3x. =]

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Il-Mono-Il
Be constructive

This is why i need your help, guys. To know if mah suggestion is overpowered or not.
And for me, OP mean Original and Pricey =D

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Oatmonster
Lick

Oh, looks like you're being a little hypocritical there Monocelha. You ask people to read all your posts for your data but you don't do the same? Looks like post number 12 just proved a point.

Enamorocks can be bought? Guess what you buy them with, Oh that's right, Krogmo Coins. I don't see Vatel selling those gems.

Also, it's hard to be constructive when the whole basis for the idea is rather terrible.

Here's a suggestion for you to chew on, the corn sword.

You get it for 274 Bark Modules, it does blue damage, 12 on normal swings, 4000 on charge attacks. The charge attack sometimes takes a long time, sometimes it doesn't. On the charge, it fires a OP stream of teal. Oh, and by the way, whenever you don't have it equipped, but you have it in your load out, you look like a turnip.

And for me, OP means organically produced =D

Try being constructive on that massive load.

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Luguiru

Is it weird we have seen worse than that, Oats?

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Yttriu
1 sheep... 2 sheep... 4923 sheep...

Hmm... I don't know about this idea... The corn sword sounds a bit underpowered.

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Fehzor

I'm all for new trinkets... and I think that GOOD PVE trinkets could be nice.... but 150 tokens is NOT an absurd amount by any standard. I mean really, they should at least cost a thousand. I'd go for 2-3K tokens per trinket; and all that for a miniscule bonus... maybe like a "Movement speed increase low" trinket or something? Perhaps a thousand of each type of token.. in terms of boss tokens, I'd like to see about 300ish per trinket. That would be a decent amount.

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Little-Juances

Dont know what to do with tokens? I've got a better idea: CONFETTI!!

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Severage
Eh give him a break.

So he has some of the usual "amgs loads of tokenz 4 epik trink" ideas, at least he was a bit willing to listen. Give the guy a break, lol.

~Sev

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Autofire
Luigi....

your so mean. :(

Anyway, rather than a trinket item, what about some accessory? A costume? A special box? Whatever the case, for the reasons stated above, something that is cosmetic would probably be best because it wouldn't tip the tables at all.

EDIT: @Fehzor

Uhhhh....not all of us have played for 100+ hours at this game. Heck, I'm a beta tester and I only have 25-30 hours and one of each 5* defense up trinkets. (Shadow, Pierce, and Elemental) Thousands of tokens sounds sorta unreal, anyway. :P

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Il-Mono-Il
Aww...

@oatmonster
50 enamorocks isn't = 500 KC.

@little-juances
nice! How about 1primal+1grim+1forge for one confetti? Maybe add one bark module for a winter confetti instead =p or something like that.

@sev
thx! Is not like I have zilions of tokens, i just get bored, so I make this thread.

@fhezor
great point! +1 for MSI trinket.

@autofire
yes, you take the point! I'm not suggesting JUST ONE TRINKET, i'm looking for new ideas too, like yours.

Thx for your replies.

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Darkbrady
Just complaints about the

Just complaints about the word "OP"? Read post #3 and let's get back on topic as intended~

Would agree with Fehz though, that the price could be higher; either that or a variety of extra ones at different prices.

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Il-Mono-Il
Oh, sure.

Yes, the price can be higher, 450 tokens are just the fist idea in my mind =D

How about 200 of each spark + 100 of each boss token + 500 KC (total 1500 tokens) ?

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Oatmonster
Lick

First of all, 50 enamos are 500 krogmos, they're 10 each. Secondly, when did I say 50 enamos are 500 krogmos and why does it matter?

Where did you get an ASI trinket from? We already have those. Little-J said MSI, something we don't have.

You still don't seem to get that a high cost doesn't justify overpoweredness.

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Darkbrady
You still don't seem to get

You still don't seem to get that the OP wasn't asking for OP items, he just had stupid word choice, again, as explained in post#3.

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Il-Mono-Il
^ this

I'm not good with english, thx Darkbrady.
Is not ASI, is MSI. Monocelha apologizes. Sorry!

@oatmonster
are you ignoring post #3 ?
And about you confusion about enamorocks, let me tell you one thing. Lol, nevermind...

EDITED: ASI for MSI.

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Oatmonster
Lick

@Darkbrady, You don't need to say the word overpowered for it to be overpowered. A trinket with low resistance to all statuses is 3 times as powerful as our current resistance trinkets. That would be, like I said, the equivilant to asking for a +18 heart pendant and justifying it by putting an absurd price tag on it.

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Darkbrady
Don't judge the concept based

Don't judge the concept based on one questionable example.

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Oatmonster
Lick

The thing is, without that "questionable" example, he essentially says "how about new trinkets?"

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Luguiru

I think I understand the idea behind this whole topic, but this is done horribly wrong.

Imagine comparing 3* Gunslinger to 5* Nameless/Justifier. Gunslinger is just the basic version, like the existing status trinkets, while Nameless/Justifier is "end game" for Gunslinger, its aspired result. Then we have the 5* Seerus mask with its immense benefits and laughably low penalties.

The problem with this scenario is trying to compare the 3* Gunslinger to the 5* Seerus mask when it should be comparing the 5* Nameless/Justifier to the 5* Seerus mask. How could anyone compare those and not be mocked? Exactly.

The closest I can try to help this thread is with a sort of defensive trinket crafting system. Everything would start with a 2* with either one bar of specialized defense (no normal) or half a bar of resistance to one status. From there you can either combine two different trinkets (which upgrades it to 3*) or improve one of its existing bonuses as if you crafted another one but it adds onto the same item. Have an example:

At 2* you can choose one of the following:

  • 0.75 bar pierce defense
  • 0.75 bar element defense
  • 0.75 bar shadow defense
  • 0.5 bars fire resistance
  • 0.5 bars freeze resistance
  • 0.5 bars shock resistance
  • 0.5 bars poison resistance
  • 0.5 bars stun resistance
  • 0.5 curse resistance

Say we get the shadow defense. Now we have a 2* trinket with 0.75 bars of shadow defense. Pretty nice. Now we want to upgrade it to 3*. Go to the list above and choose one, including more shadow defense if you want it. Say we want some shock resistance. Now we have a 3* trinket with 0.75 bars of shadow defense and half a bar of shock resistance. What about 4*? Same thing, choose one, add it on; say we want another half bar of shock to make it even. Now we have a 4* trinket with 0.75 bars of shadow defense and one bar of shock resistance. At 5* we get even more shadow defense; now we have 1.5 bars shadow defense and one bar shock resistance.

If you only get defenses, you get up to three bars of accumulative defense. If you only get resistances, you get up to two bars of accumulative resistance. This would be completely separate from existing trinkets as a customizable trinket which has different material requirements depending on which defense or resistance you want.

"I'm not good with english"
"I'm not good with english"

Then stop posting in the English forum. English is not an easy language to directly translate. Post in the forum which matches your normal language or find someone who can translate for you, not a machine that mangles everything.

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Il-Mono-Il
Oh dear...

@luguiru
thx for pointing this. I'm brazilian, and we haven't yet a Portuguese (brazilian) forum.
/cry
And you must have reason, i cant fully show my ideas in a language that I dont speak very well. Maybe a more skilled player can make a better thread than this one... But, thx for the nice ideas! And sorry for be annoying for you.

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Il-Mono-Il
Ok, you won...

I'll /graveyard this thread tomorrow.
I'll try to make a better one!

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Klipik
After reading and anayzing, the verdict is...

OP means too many things :P

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Autofire
Before graveyarding

I just should say maybe there should be some token exclusive auras and/or badges.

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Il-Mono-Il
Oh, of couse!

I'm just trying to make something cool, different, with my tokens.
And you, guys, hav better ideas than myself