Spiral Knights - Stop Reavers! More GG, Less QQ

Stop Reavers! More GG, Less QQ

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Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:06

Fourtarkus

In response to Mawashimono, and while OOO is busy with what is hopefully the best god damn Guildhall Update in the history of MMO's, I would like to propose a grassroots movement for Lockdown: "More GG, Less QQ"

Why we need a sportsmanship code of conduct
Honestly, if there was no cost to playing Lockdown, this really shouldn't be necessary, however, a lot of money is pumped into this game, and a lot of in-game currency is spent per game played - a 6v6 game sinks 1.9kcr every game. In addition, another potential 25energy (2250cr) is sunk for an extremely small chance to fight for a prized bombhead. Games get intense, players leave, and it can be quite a toxic environment.

Currently, there is no Tribunal for LD, like there is for League of Legends, which arguably has one of the best PvP systems currently on the market, and I don't want to take away from the development team, since they seem to be very far behind in their builds (ie, I remember when Guildhalls were supposed to be resuscitated over a year ago, also shout out to Jelly Farm 1 and Tortodromes)

Stop the Reavers, More GG Less QQ

What we are trying to get rid of:

Ravers (Players that name call, players that use a lot of foul language)
Leavers (players that leave mid match)
Bullies (players that name call and use foul language after killing another player)
Playing up (players that join into LD with little to no beneficial gear (like a 3* with a 4* sword in a 5* match))
Farmers (players that join and do minimal effort to get their Krogmo Coins)

Now I know that some players need a moment to celebrate and taunt, but let's be courteous about it, under this movement confetti is the only acceptable form of taunting. (I know, only the rich can taunt now :P)

Anyway, as a community we need to do a few things:

Give at least a warning to the individual (honestly this should be a group effort, if the other team has a player that's bringing them down, help them out)
If they do not curb their behavior, or are still dragging the team down, report them

I know that this seems harsh, but some of us just want to play LD without the drama/stress of having to sit through unacceptable behavior. I hope that this at least spurs the conversation to make it a fun loving and tolerable community.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:17

Little-Juances

You cant blame all bored "farmers" if OOO puts cool weapons there with no other way to obtain them. Just saying.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:52

Jrgsubzero

This is one of my only

This is one of my only complaints about the game. You can't put tools in the game and only make them obtainable through PVP.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 14:05

Severage

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In all fairness, the vast majority of Krogmo-exclusive gear is inferior to its counterparts.

If I had known prior to getting some of the Krogmo gear myself, there are only a few things I'd use from it. Namely, Voltedge and the Stun Mist-bomb (Name escapes me).

Voltedge is just a rival to other brandishes though, in some cases Combuster is better. The stun bomb is similar to the Voltaic Tempest, and not really worth saving up Krogmos if you abhor PvP.

For the others, I've heard many times over that Triglav's freeze doesn't work properly (Especially in the charge attack), making Suda better, and Plague Needle's damage nerf for the Poison makes it actually less effective than Blitz.

For trinkets, anyone can buy Mod Calibrators/Enamorocks from friends or the AH or trade chat.

Edit: Oh yeah, and the electron vortex is identically useful to the Graviton unless you're in PvP, where vortex bombs aren't very good anyway.

~Sev

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 15:52

Byas

"Oh yeah, and the electron

"Oh yeah, and the electron vortex is identically useful to the Graviton unless you're in PvP, where vortex bombs aren't very good anyway."

That's like saying that a voltedge is identically useful as a nightblade. lol

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 15:16

Fourtarkus

@Little-Jaunces

Here's the thing about farming:

You could waste 8 minutes idling, spend 200cr and get 1 token

You can make an effort to play, like the other people who are on your team and get two tokens. You might win too, which is another 80cr in the bag.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 15:24

Fourtarkus

@Severage

Some notes:

1. It's Stagger Storm
2. I know, people shouldn't be farming in the first place, but I've seen it happen before. I abhor idlers.
3. I'm not going to contend that voltedge is better than combuster, because frankly, it's not. However, it's surprisingly good to hit a group standing on a pad with one, because most the time they are too stupid to stay away from each other, and the damage spreads out.
4. Yeah, freeze is just broken in general, though quite useful with a shivermist. Honestly, I think shock is a little busted too. There should be no status inducing sword that becomes more powerful when a monster has resistance to it, which unfortunately, Glacius is stronger in ice levels, and Voltedge is stronger in shock levels.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 16:43

Darkbrady

Oh yeah, and the electron

Oh yeah, and the electron vortex is identically useful to the Graviton unless you're in PvP, where vortex bombs aren't very good anyway.

Lol no. Vortexes are incredibly in PvP, very underappreciated bomb. My vortex gunner has a low damage average, but a very good overall kill ratio from allowing people to get trapped in vortexes. EV is also arguably better than GV becasue it has the same damage output (of a different type) but also causes shock. Also, Stagger Storm is incredibly in both PvP and CW and fits perfectly with all other hazes.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 17:19

Thunderbog

"Give at least a warning to the individual (honestly this should be a group effort, if the other team has a player that's bringing them down, help them out)"
"If they do not curb their behavior, or are still dragging the team down, report them"

Why does this game sounds like Dota wanna-be soon?

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 18:10

Fourtarkus

@Thunderbog

Why does this game sounds like Dota wanna-be soon?

Actually, I want this to be a civilized version of MW3 Capture Point or Star Wars Battlefront.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 19:00

#10

Thunderbog

What if players were in a bad situation of a hurry and stuffs, and ye blamed the innocent?

It's true it'll be annoying when ye see over hundred times of this person leaving in the middle of the match, but maybe he has his own reasons. I won't listen to obvious reasons like "I gotta go out sorry" because they really had to go. And the bad part for people is leaving without reasons(some are just having bad connection and they might disconnect and get booted out for the match).

I don't apperciate this warnings and reportings, it sounded so offensive for a few certain people.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 20:39

#11

Fourtarkus

Honestly, you shouldn't start

Honestly, you shouldn't start a match if you're in a hurry. Players should understand that matches can be up to 8 minutes in length.

I understand that stuff does come up, but individuals should be courteous to the players on their team.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 22:35

#12

Severage

@Byas:

"That's like saying that a voltedge is identically useful as a nightblade. lol"

It is in PvE. Elemental and Shadow both have advantages and disadvantages equivalent to each other. Their usefulness only varies in PvP, where the status is more useful. That's all I was saying.

@Darkbrady: Maybe, but their range is so small unless you're a Striker dashing haphazardly at your enemies, you won't run into it. It's only useful in, say, close-quarter corridors or right on top of Control Points, where mist bombs work just as well.

" EV is also arguably better than GV becasue it has the same damage output (of a different type) but also causes shock. Also, Stagger Storm is incredibly in both PvP and CW and fits perfectly with all other hazes."

I didn't know EV had the same damage as GV, that's news to me. Most status-effect weapons have lower damage. Stagger Storm is only as good as Voltaic Tempest, except you might find less stun resistance.

My point is, there is absolutely not any Krogmo-based item that "blows any weapon out of the water". Juances and Subzero were complaining that any items were exclusive to PvP.

@Fourtarkus: Ah, Stagger Storm. Thanks.

~Sev

Sat, 11/03/2012 - 00:02

#13

Darkbrady

Maybe not one that "blows the

Maybe not one that "blows the rest out of the water" but I think that's the point. They don't want to promote an atmosphere where the only way to get the best stuff in the game is to PvP a vast amount; that's unfair on many people.

Although about the vortexes:
You'd be very surprised how effective they are in LD. I, at first, thought the same as you, but when it comes down to it, people get sucked into them a lot more than you'd expect, and it's little safer than just bein frozen; usually results in death. It's also especially handy as you can get multiple people sucked in at once. If you have two vortexes down, they all get sucked in, you sit back and shoot, it explodes, they get sucked into the other one, you shoot, it explodes, they all die horribly.

Now, this can be utilised to terrifying effect by planting them in tight corridors, such as above the home CPs in Reactor or Furnace. Then they cease to just be some novel and sneaky way to murder people and becomes scarier than hazes.

Sat, 11/03/2012 - 00:30

#14

Iapnez

Honestly, the Voltedge is

Honestly, the Voltedge is like a combination of the Combuster and the Glacius because that's what shock is in this game. It's loose crowd control that does good damage. Arguably, the shock damage outweighs fire damage when you have groups of enemies.

Not to mention the Voltedge is better for PvP, given its charge. It's actually viable in PvP and can OHKO most people. If not an OHKO, it'll cause a 10+ second shock which will lead to an easy finisher.

A Stagger storm is great for PvP, but since some stun bugs have been fixed, it's arguably a better crowd control bomb than the shivermist. Why, might one ask, is the Stagger a better CC weapon? Well, let's see. Stun slows enemies and their attacks. You can still shield bump a stunned enemy. You can cluster stunned enemies together for combinations of fire and shock, both of which would just break ice.

As said before, EV is better than GV.

Plague needle is the only PvP weapon that isn't in any way, shape, or form better than its counterpart(s).

Anyhoo, I do think we, as a community, should clean up the LD and make the matches better. More GG, less QQ!

Sat, 11/03/2012 - 01:06

#15

Darkbrady

Plague needle is the only PvP

Plague needle is the only PvP weapon that isn't in any way, shape, or form better than its counterpart(s).

Call it personal preference, but I find Triglav to be worse than Suda, with freezing cancelling the KB effect; the KB being Sudas main thing; certainly not "better" though as much as it is "another option" for Troika fans.

Sat, 11/03/2012 - 13:18

#16

Byas

It is in PvE. Elemental and

It is in PvE. Elemental and Shadow both have advantages and disadvantages equivalent to each other. Their usefulness only varies in PvP, where the status is more useful. That's all I was saying.

Not really, you need a most varied arsenal on PvE than on PvP, try using Shadow-only weapons at undead and fiends maps and tell me again that it has the same usefulness as an elemental weapon. Also, status are really helpful at PvE, I lost count of how many times shock saved me by "stoping" the enemy or even by helping with damage. Plus, most people on PvP wear Skolver Coats anyway, so it would be more believable to say they are more equivalent to each other there.

Sat, 11/03/2012 - 15:55

#17

Qwez

Uh...

For me, LD sportsmanship doesn't matter, the balance of it died long ago after the Ice age (Christmas) last year. I just play it to derp, I can't do much against gunners, so I don't quite have much else to do.

The freeze effect causes Triglav to have a different role than that of Surdaruska, which I can't explain because I don't have a Surdaruska.

Just so you guys know, Electron has shock effect, Graviton doesn't, Graviton thus explodes enemies out and enemies are not controlled. Electron has the ability to keep the enemies in place... clearly a one is superior.

Plague needle is "weaker" because of it's poison effect (slight chance of strong). It is weaker, but for the reason that poison gives ~half damage reduction, which helps you survive attacks. To balance in the fact that received damage is reduced, Plague does less damage.

Stagger storm is much different than VT. Stagger completely locks down on mini-almire guards (unable to attack), makes enemies unable to retaliate while teammates keep comboing attacks and keep disrupting enemy attacks. I would use it all the time, were it not for the stun allegedly being fixed.
Example: purposefully use WRH charge into stun zombie breath to double up my charge attack and do instant damage at the same time.

Sat, 11/03/2012 - 16:26

#18

Mayaura

Huh?

I thought this was going to be a thread about buffing Reavers - I hate those fiends!

Sat, 11/03/2012 - 20:19

#19

Lightyourfire

Well,

I like this idea, but sadly, I don't think it will completely change things.

But now the real question, what's a short name for this movement?

Sat, 11/03/2012 - 20:53

#20

Fourtarkus

@Lightyourfire

If we get enough players to stand up for the movement, I think it will catch on naturally.

As far as a short name, I don't have one yet. Any suggestions?

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 02:44

#21

Hoban-Washburn

Perhaps we could call it

Serenity.

Ok, it works with my name, too, but still. It's what we are after, yes?

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 08:15

#22

Asukalan

Just remove that stupid rule

Just remove that stupid rule on forum "no name calling" and it will be over, those people live with anonymity, they act like jerks in game but within terms of behaviour and rules and they know noone will do anything to them and if person will want to post their deeds on forum with name topic will get censored and deleted (same thing happens to naming scammers).

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 13:14

#23

Vaynesky

Yes!

Agreed! I love how you used LoL as an example, I play LoL and the code (as well as the new honor system) keeps people in line (including me) and lets everyone have a good time, even if you lose. I would love to see a code put in place by OOO (hint, hint).

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