Huh.

This actually sounds feasible.

+1

Still don't see scythes as piercing, because no one uses a scythe to stab something. They're used for cutting~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythe in particular "use". Using scytches as weapons as entirely different: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_scythe

A rebuilt war scythe is closer to what you're after, being that it can be used to stab, (although is also heavily used for slashing) but veers further away from your description of an attack pattern, as a war scythe is pretty much just a polearm and no longer a "scythe" as we know it.

Great idea Gweny I do like this idea especially since it is not pure piercing sword the poison mixed in will lower the damage, but would be very useful.

Seeing as this is a scythe that can be used for both slashing/cutting and stabbing, how about making it the first... split Normal/Piercing Weapon?

-Windsickle

(I still don't understand how the Flourishes do Piercing damage from swinging and slashing about. The only Piercing Damage from them should be from their thrusts. But I digress. Tis a topic for a different series of balancing suggestions.)

i HAD THIS IDEA BEFORW HERES SOME NAMES YOU CAN ADD I DONT NEED MY IDEAS ANYMORE! opps sorry caps,http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/47174

also if you like stats or want to add them in with a tweak you can! ~}{Death //_^

1. We REALLY need more pierce weapons

Teethpicks, Blitz (and status variations of both), DBB...
We do? Honestly, the current piercing weapons are all OP. The only thing we need more of is competitive normal weapons and dps bombs.

opps sorry caps

You can edit...

(I still don't understand how the Flourishes do Piercing damage from swinging and slashing about.

Never much liked the teethpicks first swing, myself. As handy as it is, I don't like that it's piercing. I'd much rather the first swing clocked as normal, then the rest as piercing. It's not as if they don't already have this mechanic in game anyways; Brandish charges initial swing counts as normal type damage~

That'd certainly make "spamming" (If you can call it that) Final Flourishes harder.

Would mean that spamming the first swing w/ the massive wide arc at lightning speed would only serve for some basic, normal damage. If you'd want the jaggy piercing type damage, you'd have to follow through to the actual jaggy, piercing animated attacks.

Personally I think it'd balance it out nicely, as well as introducing logic to the equation. I mean, it's a pure spec.weapon with a long pokey range; not overly hard to hit people with the 2nd jab. And if people choose to not use AA then....well, that's their fault, not the swords~ *shrug*

Well that's exactly the problem. It's meant to be a "piercing" pokey fencing sword, but no one actually uses it as such, despite all the claims to skill. People just spam the first swing which couldn't be less piercing-flavoured if it tried; they're just using it as a faster, wider, piercing-type brandish swing which, imo, completely defeats the point of having a unique combo for piercing swords. Forcing people to use the 2nd/3rd hits to get the piercing damage would make people actually use the sword properly, instead of abusing the ridiculous arc/speed of the first swing, which is entirely what makes it OP in the first place.
I don't think it'd make it underpowered, as any skilled player can still land hits with the 2nd jab, the first swing wouldn't be UP or unusable at all (just not piercing anymore) and, like I say about AA, it's not the swords fault if players choose not to use it, so I don't see AA being of relevance to whether or not it's usable.

You counter hammers with teethpicks? That's interesting o.o When I hammer, it's usually guns/heavy swords that get me; couldn't really say a definitive counter against them as I've seen a wide variety of weapons work to do it. I honestly have more trouble hitting gunners than hammerers~

And I'm aware that there are other OP/UP weapons to be balanced, I was just throwing out my opinion on the teethpicks in particular due to the nature of this discussion~

the fact that the only way anyone would use it is with AA

If people would rather limit their options and ability to deal appropriate damage for the sake of refusing to use AA, then I see no real problem tbh. AA may affect what weapons people use, but you can still turn it on/off as it becomes relevant; if people single-mindedly refuse to use it, knowing it'll limit their options, then all their doing is punishing themselves. Their choice, their fault, their loss.

but just for discussion's sake, it would increase the monopoly the remainder of the "OP" weapons have against all the others unless they were all balanced simultaneously

I disagree. Teethpicks' initial swing isn't OP because it's piercing damage, it's OP because it's lightning fast and has a ridiculous radius. Even with normal type damage, it'd still hit hard, it'd still land hard on everybody, and its utility as a fast, wide-arc swing would still more than apply. The piercing type is just a bonus against those who don't have piercing armour.

Nerfing the initial swing to normal won't stop people using it and it won't stop being competitive.

All I'm saying is, making a weapon that in LD almost requires you to use AA to be competitive, is pointless.

Point taken with your 2nd point though.

~Sev

All I'm saying is, making a weapon that in LD almost requires you to use AA to be competitive, is pointless.

Wasn't it you who said that everyone who uses Hammer uses AA? That's a pretty competitive weapon, iirc.

Scythes are overpowered.

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