Spiral Knights - AA Gunning Noob :D

AA Gunning Noob :D

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Wed, 11/28/2012 - 10:16

Darkbrady

So! I've been gettin' called an AA noob a lot lately. Now, this is not a complaint thread about me being some striker who's sad that others thinks he uses AA; I could care less whether or not people use it in general.
However, it's generally pretty stupid to call a gunner an AA noob as it just goes to prove to the world that you're just shouting out words becasue you're mad that you got killed.
Now, for anyone who doesn't know; AA only works when you stand still. All swords, and guns such as Callahan utilise AA because the instant you go to attack, you get rooted to the spot while you make the attack, thus allowing AA to work. Now, guns like alchemers and antiguas have a nice move-and-shoot feature that allows you to while while you shoot, but this also cancels AA.

So generally, AA gunners are pretty stupid because standing still as a gunner sounds like outright suicide. Right?

I thought I'd give it a try, after being called AA again, just to prove how stupid it sounded and show how easily I'd die. I'm taking a couple of matches to pure AA; no moving shots and no guns other than alchemers, just to play around with it. I only have VH damage, but I do have max ASI.

First match as an AA gunner noob.

Second match as an AA gunner noob.

Guess I was wrong? Anyone else ever tried AA gunning? Anyone else got any opinions or experiences related to this, to show us?

Side note:
As well as AA gunning, I'm also an AA bomber noob.

My bombs never miss~

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 10:18

Canine-Vladmir

We need approximately 3 billion assorted sandwiches. Preferably made with bacon.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 10:25

Canozo

wow JoO R a AA Bomb3R 4nd 9Unn3r? uR So T3RR1bl3 y0O h4xOR JoO shUD kwuit D4 gAmE

I got called AA Gunner once. I laughed. Probably just some mad 11year old kids. They know nothing about Spiral Knights.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 10:50

Darkbrady

Y'know I think that it's that

Y'know I think that it's that nobody expects you to stand still, especially as a gunner. I'm standin' tehre just shootin' away while they dance circles around me tryin' to pre-empt my movements. Until they die. They just aren't expecting that I won't move while I shoot xD

EDIT: Am also now going to try double-shooting, of all the things! Since I'm locked to the spot anyways, teh reload doesn't harm me much more, and the two quick shots should be able to get off some nice damage (assisted by the AA increasing their likelihood of landing)~

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 11:16

Fallconn

FALCON PUNCH!

As a long time gunner (not on this account) I know that AA doesn't effect most guns, Nor does not having AA on while gunning. Callahan does get effected while using it. AP And Senten do. But that's about it

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 11:18

Icegill

/applaud

You should get a frame of yourself and tell OOO to manufacture it so people can buy it and hang it up in their Guildhalls. /admire

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 11:23

Darkbrady

Oh it does affect alchemers

Oh it does affect alchemers but as I say; you have to be standing perfectly still as you shoot. The second you take a step BOOM you lose it.

Which is why this is quite so deathy. Sayin' that, I'm keepin' fairly consistent damage, but my death rate has gone up too. Even relying on my team around me I just present a huge target. I need to try and incorporate some cloakin' action into it~

Also, while doing this, I've discovered that recons are far scarier than strikers. Wow, like...crazily hard to kill with this.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 11:29

Akvar

Lol, that's actually pretty

Lol, that's actually pretty funny, good job Darkbrady.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 11:35

Darkbrady

The sad thing was, at the

The sad thing was, at the beginning of the match I announced to said whiner that I would go AA gunning to prove how useless I'd be, that I'd be a liability to the team, die every ten seconds, 2k damage etc, just to prove that AA gunning is impossible/stupid/no one does it.

Boy-o did that backfire...

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 11:38

Akvar

Lol, that's just icing on the

Lol, that's just icing on the cake.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 11:39

#10

Vokster

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Wed, 11/28/2012 - 11:46

#11

Wodanct

Oh me gawd AA nawb!! All joking aside.. I have no problem if people use AA or not. AA doesn't really offer all that much help with swords if you can already aim, and if can't aim you just fly everywhere like those AA final flourish spammers do. xD Also anytime you need to aim ahead of someone you aren't using AA anyway.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 13:54

#12

Fallconn

FALCON PUNCH!

If you have a T2 gunning set I'll duel you :]

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 14:36

#13

Darkbrady

Oh I'd die hard; I have more

Oh I'd die hard; I have more trouble with other gunners than I do strikers or bombers tbh; I just cannae hit the moving targets.

S'why I'm an AA noob :3

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 17:43

#14

Fallconn

FALCON PUNCH!

Takes practice, Lots and lots of practice....

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 21:50

#15

Dukeplatypus

I tend to roll as an AA

I tend to roll as an AA gunner in LD. I find makes alchemers (especially storm) much more accurate at closer ranges.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 22:26

#16

Tennis

I use AA for gunning, I don't

I use AA for gunning, I don't really know why.

I remember testing out no-AA out before to see if there was any difference and I figured I hit stuff more often with AA but that could've just been my subconscious playing with my head. :c

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 22:32

#17

Bacon-Strip

Fun fact, AA doesn't work at

Fun fact, AA doesn't work at all if you are moving and have a gun out. Go ahead, test it yourself in PvE or PvP.

You have to stand perfectly still and spam click for accurate results.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 01:42

#18

Hexzyle

@Bacon-Strip

Do you always just read just the first three lines of the OP and then none of the rest of the thread?

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 02:30

#19

Nexassassin

Don't forget

Yes, AA gunning only works if the gunner's standing still. It only actually hits anything when the target is either standing still or moving away/towards you. Damn well near impossible when they're strafing to your sides and, let's be honest now, how many decent strikers charge at you head on?...and you're still standing still?

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 03:58

#20

Forum-Brady

Aye Hex, kinda feels like the

Aye Hex, kinda feels like the last few posts ignored that paragraph in the OP that was written specifically to clarify that fact....oh well :s...

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 04:01

#21

Icegill

Boom

I'll have to agree with Bacon and add a side note. AA is completely useless if you're gunning. If you stand still while gunning, I don't know what to tell you..... that's not good.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 04:27

#22

Euclidean-Space

-_-

'Dat hail driver!'

meh nvm...

AA doesn't work for guns, well only the ones like AP and sen but not alchemers, as a gunner myself I have to predict where the person is going not where he/she/it currently is, and shoot that spot. AA doesn't help at all and is just plain stupid...

Yeah actually I use AA in BN, gets me more kills.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 04:31

#23

Forum-Brady

Wish I could use prediction

Wish I could use prediction more, but on US server the delay changes so frequently that it's just pointless. One minute I'd need to shoot a block in front of them, another minute only an inch ahead, the next minute a block and a half again. Shooting randomly all over the place seems to fare better results than actually trying to lead shots. Only have a chance of leading in EU.

AA however, does a wonderful job at correcting the latency, despite how deathy it gets. But then again, damage was kept consistent/decent after all o:

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 06:58

#24

Dutch-Oven

Re; "AA gunner noob"

I think it's a legitimate complaint, if of course you have a problem with the concept of auto target in a PvP game to begin with. (personally I want them to disable AT in lockdown). And as for the "noob" part well, haters, as I do believe they say, will hate.

As people have said already AT works for fast shot guns, so AP, Sent, Valiance, Calla, and yes even the mighty Slug. It still work with slow guns but only on slow or stationary targets and at close range.

You might think that a gunner that has to stand still to aim is gonna be a dead gunner very quickly but all the fast shot guns have good range and if you keep at the full range of the gun and single/double tap instead of spam you're making yourself a difficult target for anyone trying to catch you. A good pause-shoot-pause technique can stop an assailant in their tracks.

Conversely just like when sword users stop to swing when they're going full on rampage mode on someone, gunners can do the same thing with guns like drivers and pulsars at the same point blank range, stopping to get the same chance of hitting as your would with a sword at that range.

So yeah, AT works for guns. It can be abused just like sword combo spammers or nitronome bombers. The nooby gunners will rely on it while the good gunners will be able to hit their targets without it and play a good game, whether or not they like to use it.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 07:05

#25

Njthug

@Dutch-Oven

I love you since you said AT....I really get confused when players call AT....AA....Since I am like WTF we have no AA option in Sk only AT.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 07:09

#26

Forum-Brady

Aye, I've never used AA on

@Hugs:
"AT" ftl :3

@Dutch:
Aye, I've never used AA on guns before just since I always kept on the move (I play recon, so can't allow myself to stand still since strikers catch me too fast) and never actually got to try AA.
But I was really surprised just how well it actually worked out. Doing it in 1v1s even seemed to work, just by stopping very briefly to nail a few shots out.

But it mainly did the trick when there were others fighting. You don't actually need to move that much when the baddies are focussed on your strikers, so I'm finding myself just cheekily standing still at the sidelines launching shots in on them, and with the AA on a lot more are landing than when I just run pointless circles around myself.

Also, the double-tap seems to work nicely as well for that extra damage and quick AA abuse, but is pretty hit-or-miss. If they move even slightly too far, the second bullet just flies past them and leaves you trapped in the reload while they run towards you.

It was fun doing full matches with nothing but AA, refusing to ever move while I shot, but the deathcount was crazy high. Have been trying a mix of both now, just running and dodging normally, but whenever I get the chance (such as a group battle) I just stand there and volley the shots in. S'quite fun.

However, as far as people complaining about AA goes, I don't think it changes that much in the longrun. My damage average hasn't really changed for better or worse; it just allows me to waste less shots by trying to randomly spam everywhere with leading shots and latency counter-measures. (mind you that's mostly in US server where getting shots in is ridiculously hard for me regardless)

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