I'd oppose the idea because some people actually want to use AA. Removing it just to satiate ragers/trolls and end the squabbling will only make the game worse for those who do play with it, and ultimately won't solve anything anyways; people will always find a reason to QQ over something.

Personally I'd remove heart trinkies, as that'd end all the fighting completely and put the game back where it should be; no one'll care about whether or not you use AA anymore becasue then they'll go "pfft, I only had like 9 hp" and slowly start to realise they should stick w/ their group.

Lets Remove AA and focus on trinkets despite the fact that a 5* costs 800 to craft cause everyone is a P2Per. Aside from that, we should also add a trinket for Recon that has 95% chance to block attacks and for Guardian, a Trinket that makes shields 250% stronger!!

No.....just no.

Not everyone is P2P and when Trinkets are REQUIRED for LD happens, there will be a newspaper title that says: Goodbye Economy! Taking a permanent vacation into Hell. Run for your lives!!!

Don't even try to argue. This is just a rage post whining about LD and AA, its not like you don't have the option to use AA, Skill? Too many variables in LD to actually consider it skillful (Despite the fact that playing it too much will actually corRode your PVE skills) want to prove skill in PVP? BN. Nuff Said

Also, theres this button called IGNORE (OMG ikr)

@Hexzyle (future post) You are completely right, people DO want to spend their ce on something that will barely benefit them in PVE, they DO want a pentaheart for fsc and LD instead of a DA or Voltedge, because everyone is spliced with LD and not realising it is 1/32 of the game, after all, aren't our brains related to the brains of Blueberries? Seriously.

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Hmm, I have to agree with Bacon on AA/AT. It sure would be nice not to have to listen to these arguments anymore.

However, I think brady's right about the heart trinkets. They ruin the dynamic between classes.

Well guys, there is an option to turn off AA if u don't like it.

Then only the ones who need the AA should keep it right?

Following that same logic, we could permanently enable auto target for everyone in LD and be just as well off.

So you're saying that the majority of players in T3 LD are F2P with their 5 star gear? If players can make it into T3 Lockdown, chances are they can spare 800 energy for a penta or two.

And trinkets for T2 LD are only 200 energy.

And like Darkbrady said:
"Relevance? Something can't be OP if it's not expensive? Polaris is pretty cheap as well..."

And Dragneel has a good point. AA is there to assist latent players, it's not something that makes people "OP".

@Bacon:
I wouldn't oppose percentage based heart trinkets (depending on the strength), as it'd give Strikers a nice wee hp touch without just automatically giving them as much hp as the other two classes. They're supposed to be the lowest hp "glass cannon" class and need to hang with their buddies to stay alive more than two hits. Taking them from 9 hp to, say 15 or so wouldn't be so bad, but taking them straight up to like 20+ and having the same as recons/just shy of guardians defeats the whole point, especially when it's still so easy to get max:max on their stats, whereas the other two classes can rarely afford to use trinkies if they want to get anywhere near max:max on their stats.

@Hex/Toaster (I think?)
Just to point out that although I'm not F2P as such, I don't spend a ridiculous amount of LD gear, although I do spend a lot of time in LD. I only use my CWs gear in there (i.e, CTR UVs, and most of my swordy gear is non-UVd) I only use Vog (with no UVs), no heart trinkies, my gunner set is recon with CTR etc etc and I can still do a fair job of keeping up with the rest. I don't think that heart trinkies are required, and players can enjoy and keep up in LD without them, but I do feel like the hearts break the dynamic. Strikers aren't meant to be godmoding everything solo and tanking 3+ direct gun charges to the spine while frozen, they're meant to be fragile and relying on teamwork. It does break the game, but not in such a way that LD can't be played without "p2w" gear.
Unless you're aiming for max damage or something, then just give up. I don't aim to be the top damaging, all killing godmode, I just go in and have fun, and just happen to get decent scores~

But then again, half my loadouts are also bombers, so I guess that's a factor~

+1

I think people will adapt to having less health as a striker. Remember the first week when ld came out? People were still doing old with the health reduction. Obviously, it's different now, but clones will eventually adapt. It might give my recon attacks a use!

Hmm...

How about this : Remove or nerf the heart trinkies, but do the following too :

1. Increase the ASI bonus for Striker Class to High or Very High.

2. Add low damage bonus for Swords on Guardian Class.

3. Add a universal medium damage bonus on Recon Class.

Is that flawed ? Or OP ? I am still not sure about the buffs instead of Trinkies.

+1
Dem AA Gunners are OP

1. Increase the ASI bonus for Striker Class to High or Very High.
Their bonuses are good enough already, even without heart trinkies; they don't need more.

2. Add low damage bonus for Swords on Guardian Class.
Yup.

3. Add a universal medium damage bonus on Recon Class.
OP, much?

I don't care much for AT, morons will find a way to complain about anything to justify losing. I personally think as has been addressed already, UVs and Heart Trinkets are far more detrimental to Lockdown than AT ever could hope to be.

As for the last few posts, if any class bonuses really need changing I'd suggest;

*Swap out the ASI on Guardian for a universal Med Dmg
*Give Recons +Med Movement Speed

I don't care much for AT, morons will find a way to complain about anything to justify losing. I personally think as has been addressed already, UVs and Heart Trinkets are far more detrimental to Lockdown than AT ever could hope to be.

Every bit of that sentence is exactly what I've been sayin' this whole time ;-;....

Anyhoo:

I don't like the idea of any class gettin' universal damage. Maybe low but...ehh, idk, uni:med seems a bit high; guardians can already play all three roles very well without free damage bonuses on all of them. They do need their bonuses buffed though, but I'm uncertain as to what to.

*Give Recons +Med Movement Speed
I wonder if they'll be able to notice it.

Absolutely. The main thing with recons is that their cloak slows them down by about that much, so chasing people cloaked is actually pretty tricky without a long sword or instant gun. Running away from people is equally destructive. This would allow them to move normally cloaked and be quick as a ninja while un-cloaked (and in danger).

Auto Target shouldn't be removed, and won't be removed. Players with particularly bad latency issues find themselves relying on the assistance of Auto Target, and if that isn't a good enough "excuse" to leave it be then take a look at keyboard-only players.
Yeah, not everyone has a mouse, maybe they're playing on a laptop with a touchpad making mouse control an asbolute nightmare. Forcing these players to play without Auto Target is like forcing FPS players like in say, Call of Duty, to only be able to turn 45 degrees at a time - none of that smooth, gentle nudge to adjust your aim just enough to place the cursor on their forehead and pull the trigger for an ever-satisfying headshot, but an abysmal aiming method that would make it hard to hit even the walls, nevermind the enemies with your AK47.
Some of you may or may not know this, but back when Lockdown was in testing, Auto Target was absent. Auto Target was enabled for Lockdown so that everyone can jump in and play, instead of being accessible to only the hardcore players of the metagame whilst the casual player that lives far away from the server and/or didn't get a USB mouse for their laptop is forced to play under an already unfriendly environment with an even less of a chance to put up a fight.

On the subject of heart pendants I feel it's a bit late to come in and say "this was a terrible idea, remove them." Yeah, I will admit that heart pendants dominate because increased survivability produces increased efficiency and when you have access to dual penta heart pendants you have little reason to dabble with the other trinkets that increase damage, attack speed and decrease charge time. But wait, what of the status- and damage-resistance trinkets? If anything needs a buff, those do.
Anyway, instead of trying to "ban" heart pendants, which would be the equivalent of suggesting that they ban Pulsars and Rocket Hammers because a group of knights find those annoying as well, maybe we should look into means of giving the other classes more of a fighting chance against the dominant strikers. Like increased health. As it stands, a striker can equip two pentas and become as bulky as a guardian with 27 HP but more mobile and ferocious. Recons fall short in having but 25 HP in this scenario, making it the most vulnerable without sacrificing the extra offence that the other trinkets provide. (Or extra status-/damage-resistance, if only they were worth the space.)
The extra health just adds too much margin for error, which is why you see strikers dashing in like Sonic the Hedgehog with the dream of coming out as the chosen one with the power of the emeralds.

I have to side with Brady in the sense that I currently don't have any bright ideas myself, perhaps as a result of the darkness that midnight brought with it.

This time is different. Yes, I'm not a fan of the weapon myself, and I would rather have it removed, but I have a different reason this time.

Remove Polaris from Spiral Knights to end the fighting.
I've seen far to many arguements over a stupid weapon that is absolute rubbish, why not just remove it? Could make the world a better place.

Or even, just do a trial run of 1 week without the Polaris and see how it goes. Anything.

I'd just rather not see the community rip each other apart at the seams for one stupid Gun that has been crafted.

If ANY FIGHTING is started after this post, I will delete it myself. I'm tired of this community.

It didn't. Because AA has...literally nothing to do with being spawn camped. In fact, the worst spawncampers happen to be heart-trinky strikers, as they can afford to stand there and kill repeatedly while not being worried about getting hit. Remove heart trinkies, you only need to pop them twice and your spawn is clear; either because they died or they leave to heal. The asi:vh part is only even relevant because of heart trinkies, since getting a vh/max sealed sword really isn't that hard or rare.

Just to point out like...AA makes no difference when you're being spawn camped~

Signed this for it.

+1

If Autoaiming mechanics are making people sad, I've been waiting for someone to step it up already.

(gosh, glad I had little fun using Argent Peacemaker WITHOUT Auto Target) editted, dat goddamn typo of mines makes confusions. i suck.

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About heart trinkets, please refer to the days when Super Brawl is still alive, and consider the facts and bad stuffs before doing anything that gives more pain. (yes, ye do not want OHKO/2HKO like those days, do ye?)

The point that I was making is how AA can mean that people can easily double hit with a GF and if they have AA then both will probably hit and for someone like me that means instant death

This is my point Hex, Non-laggers seems to have no problem with removing it because they don't need it, that's pure greediness.

Whiner : I don't lag and I don't use AA, I get 20k damage every match, I am awesome, remove AA, AA IS FOR NOOOOOBZ! Lagger : You can't remove it, I need it to counter your luxury connection, trinkies and Holy UVs. Whiner : NO! You should leave tis game noop, you don't deserve playing LD!! NOOOB!! You only killed me because of AA NOOOOB!!

This is what I see actually most of the week....

Sorry for the misuse :s

(yes, ye do not want OHKO/2HKO like those days, do ye?)

Yes, we do. The problem is that that attitude has allowed strikers to get heart trinkies, which encourages them to run off into the enemies faces and ignore their own team because they can't die. Ever.
Now where does that leave your guardians and recons? Bombers and gunners? They can't keep up with the strikers and get left behind; they have no backup and get caught by enemy strikers (who also ran ahead). Now these support classes are against a striker with boost, max:max swords and the same hp as them. Most of these support classes (esp bombers) cannot handle a striker alone, and die.
All because your teams strikers don't feel the need to involve themselves in teamwork, because they can tank better than anyone else.

Now, remove heart trinkies and strikers die in 2 hits. Great; so they actually stick around with their guardians and bombers, they need some backup. So when an enemy striker appears, they're against your striker who is shielded and has a gunner. Enemy striker dies. We all advance to the CP. We win.

Ever notice how there's a distinct lack of guardians, bomber, gunners, recons etc? No one wants to play them because they rely heavily on teamwork and co-operation from your dps classes, who don't care about helping their team. Seriously; play bomber for a day and you'll see what I mean. Even those striekrs that scream "capcapcap" just completely ignore the bomber and leave him to die.

Heart trinkies, in their own right, aren't that bad, but they start a massive chain reaction which completely destroys the whole interaction of your team, purely because they allow strikers to tank. As soon as strikers can die in 1/2 hits, they'll start remembering teamwork with their people that can tank better than them. Currently, strikers are the best tanks, because of their hp+dodge.

+1