I don't want opinions i want facts if possible: THOSE or THOSE NOT dread venom CTR VH deal more dps than dread venom ASI VH?
Dreadvenom ASI vs CTR, what's better?
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 07:45
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 08:13
#2
Unless... you have a vortex!
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 09:31
#3
FACT: you wouldnt need much ASI with Vog or Swifstrike.
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 09:43
#4
CONCLUSION:General use: DVS
CONCLUSION:
General use: DVS is not a good sword since it's outscaled by other tier 3 swords (like Leviathan)
Poison inflict use: DVS is not the best weapon to inflict poison, AND if you r a swordsman or want to use that method of inflicting poison ASI will be a better choice
Vortex combo: DVS CTR is better than DVS ASI in the vortex combo (ASI movement makes it harder to deal the full DVS combo) however it is outsclaed again by other tier 3 swords in the vortex combo.
DVS is not an ok sword imo and based on exhaustiv tests
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 09:56
#5
yeah, basically
General use: DVS is not a good sword since it's outscaled by other tier 3 swords (like Leviathan)
I basically agree. For example, in my detailed sword guide, in the part where I mention the particular strength or purpose of each sword, I can't come up a strength or purpose for DVS (or WHB).
But let me make one addendum to your conclusion: Leviathan is also outclassed by other 5-star swords.
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 16:37
#6
Is this the real life?
@Koldsplin: Just because a weapon is outclassed DOES NOT MAKE IT BAD. All weapons have their uses and niche. DVS is better for the royal jelly and vanaduke's mask, while WHB is better for beasts, and possibly even fiends due to the speed and the interruption.
Also, The charge isn't the best and is risky. Id have to go with asi as being better. If anything, a damage bonus might benefit it the best.
~Magnicth
Wed, 01/23/2013 - 17:46
#7
I actually crafted a cutter
I actually crafted a cutter about half a year ago back when they were worth about 3k on days I wouldn't play, and one of them got the UV CTR VH! I made it a DVS, and as Magnicth said, the charge is risky, but has high damage if everything hits. The CTR Max helps on the Vanaduke Mask phases, when soloing (or everyone in your party is dead or uselss), as one can water then quickly charge with all 5 hits connecting. Also, it is easy to parry zombies, charge up, then nail them with a charge.
Thu, 01/24/2013 - 14:41
#8
Would like to point out
Charge has no interrupt ability whatsoever, except on last stroke (unlike WHB). It is possible to use it safely under certain circumstances, but this is uncommon. I would personally go for the ASI over CTR, since the latter is only somewhat useful for Vanaduke's mask, and ASI will also help there.
Sun, 01/27/2013 - 05:54
#9
A long time ago I read that
A long time ago I read that cutter-type swords have an ASI cap, but nowadays I think that's a myth.
However I don't have anything with sword ASI right now, other than SB. My swordie gear is damage bonus, not ctr or asi.
Sun, 01/27/2013 - 08:47
#10
myth might be a little true
You're right to be skeptical of stories like "Cutters have an ASI cap" without supporting data. On the other hand...http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Lancer_Knightz_(Guild)/Sword_Combos_Per_Minute.
Mon, 01/28/2013 - 10:16
#11
boop
I've been playing around with a ctr VH level 10 DVS aka ctr max! it is a death trap, but so fun!
Mon, 01/28/2013 - 20:49
#12
asi .. definitely .. you
asi .. definitely .. you always miss the last strike from charges because the before last hit push too far and you cant counter / turn or shield when your charge is launched
Tue, 01/29/2013 - 17:13
#13
.
1. DVS charge is for single targets mainly.
2. Leviathan blade does not outscale any sword but winnillion.
3. How often can you charge and hit enemies 16 times in a row in actual levels?
The obvious place to look is the Lancer Knightz data on sword combos and charges per minute. Here are the results at depth 28, at damage bonus+0:
* At ASI+4, DVS completes 24 combos per minute, doing 896 damage per combo, for a resulting 358 DPS.
* At CTR+4, DVS completes 16 charges per minute, doing 1080 damage per charge, for a resulting 288 DPS. (This charge number assumes ASI+6. If you're at ASI+0, then you'll probably do 15 or 16 charges per minute. The effect of ASI on charges per minute is small.)
Have you used the DVS charge attack much? It's pretty unsafe, unless there is only one enemy around. Even then, it's less safe than the WHB charge attack, because WHB interrupts more. So I can't imagine getting a DVS that's optimized for charge attacks in the first place. But to each his own.