Spiral Knights - SK Lottery?

SK Lottery?

41 replies [Last post]

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 03:47

Thegamerguy

What do you guys think about me starting a SK Lottery? Everyone could buy numbers for 200cr a piece and after a certain amount of time I'll use a random number generator to pick a winner. The winner would receive all the cr bid by other players.

I could post the usernames and how many numbers they bought here to prevent any confusion and such. I personally think this'd be a great idea for people with a little extra pocket change. Should I put a limit on how many tickets you can buy? What time intervals would be appropriate? What type of rules should be laid to prevent abuse? Should I raise the price of tickets? Discuss.

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 03:58

Dragneel-Wiki

What is with the latest Lottery/Gambling/Poker threads here?

SK community is going downhill from boredom...

God help us...

/Inflicts an Orbital Facepalm upon himself.
/It is too effective!

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 04:02

Orkwrath

hehehehe....

Nice one........ it's a yes for me! And Y=you can limit the tickets to 5. that way people can't get a high probability. And if you need a second-hand ma, choose me!

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 05:05

Thegamerguy

The whole game is based on

@Dragneel- The whole game is based on gambling (prize wheel, lockboxes, bribing Krogmo, UV rolling/mass crafting, etc.) and a lottery would give great opportunities to build up the community. No harm done there ^-^

@Jed- Yeah I think I'll set the limit to 5 tickets per person because I don't want someone putting in tens of thousands of crowns for a guaranteed win.

If enough people participate the prizes could get larger and larger. Imagine a hundred people joining in- the winner would be given 20k cr!

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 05:16

Dragneel-Wiki

@Thegamerguy :

Next time, use quotes please. I know you took that from Fehzor.

Anyways. You and Fehzor are wrong. This game isn't based on gambling, yet it have some gambling elements. Prize Wheel/Bribing Krogmo/UVs/ etc... are elements in the game, but they don't affect your gameplay experience if you don't use/gamble/roll them. For instance, if OOO decided to make weapons obtainable by Poker Games/ Lottery/ Gambling etc... that would affect my experience, because if I don't get weapons for example, it means I didn't experience the game to its fullest.

And I'm going to quote Shidara for something he said on Player-Hosted Gambling :
"It may seem like a fun, innocent thing now but trust me, if it keeps going it's going to be bad." -Shidara

Please stop.

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 05:46

Thegamerguy

"they don't affect your

"they don't affect your gameplay experience if you don't use/gamble/roll them"

Okay, then move on and let players who like the idea contribute. I don't see how it could end up badly if there's a set limit and strict rules.

Please stop.

(By the way, gear is obtainable through breaking boxes in the Clockworks. Because you don't know what you're going to get from them and your price is going through the floor using energy and time to find them, it can be considered gambling. It reminds me of the huge DF Shield hunt I saw a while ago- a bunch of people using up their time and energy to gamble finding an extremely rare shield)

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 07:17

Tin-Foil-Hat

-1

Nope, dont like the idea. Its not a good one.

Any means of earning high level gear without earning it yourself is bad for the game. As someone who has seen this happen on other games, its just a stupid idea. When you give players gear without earning it, they dont know what it does or how to use it to its maximum potential and they are more than likely not going to increase their skill cap if they dont work through the game for gear. This will negatively impact game play and group experiences.

The drop rates of items for boxing is still ~1%, hardly impacting it. Holding a weekly lottery or soo for an item would greatly impact the game, that means once every (x) days someone has a guaranteed chance to get an item. Note i said guaranteed.

The game isnt based on gambling either, Price Boxes are just a clever way to get money (Team Fortress and many other games have Boxes to open).

Im sure the last thing people want is to carry people in 5* gear who won the lottery and have no idea how to play, do bosses, or use their equipment correctly. I know i dont.

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 07:22

Mupt

Well someone is in a bad mood •_•

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 07:45

Thegamerguy

@Tin

I'm not giving away gear. Please, this isn't facebook- read the entire post. Giving some guy 3.4k cr because he won the lottery but had to wait a week will not impact the game at all other than community building and having the fun and suspense of the chance of winning. I'm sure you also didn't read my post about other examples of gambling in the game.

Where in the world did you get the idea I was giving away 4-5 star gear? I mean, seriously, even if 1000 people participated it wouldn't be enough to make a 5* piece of equipment :| Even IF thousands of people joined in to reward someone with enough cr to do that, newer players who don't know how to play MOST LIKELY don't go on the forums and wouldn't know about this. Even if they did know about this lottery, most new players wouldn't be willing to fork over any cr at all. I know I wouldn't.

Logic=Flawed

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 07:52

Tin-Foil-Hat

Cr/CE = Gear.Costs add up

Cr/CE = Gear.

Costs add up over time.

I read the entire post.

Lets say you make a lottery. Lets use a more reasonable cost, 200 per isnt even an attractive amount to get people to enter.

1000 CR per entry, max of 5 entries per person with 1000 people or even 500.

1000x5 = 5000 CR
5000x1000 = 5,000,000 CR
5000x500 = 2,500,000 CR
5000x100 = 500,000
5000x50 = 250,000
ETC

Plenty to purchase 5* equipment.

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 10:31

#10

Thegamerguy

Which is exactly why I said

Which is exactly why I said they'd cost 200 cr -.- Personally, I wouldn't pay 1000 cr for a ticket. I'm baffled why you would even count that in when it was never mentioned.

Using the amount of 1000 cr even supports my statement further and makes your logic more flawed.
"newer players who don't know how to play MOST LIKELY don't go on the forums and wouldn't know about this. Even if they did know about this lottery, most new players wouldn't be willing to fork over any cr at all. I know I wouldn't."

Your math also assumes every player buys 5 tickets.

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 11:55

#11

Tin-Foil-Hat

Would wouldnt buy max tickets

Why wouldnt buy max tickets for (x) CR ? Youre entering a lottery, you clearly want the best chance to win. 5000 CR is chump change for a chance to win any of those amounts above with fairly low player entry, id say 50-100 people would be easy to get for one. Lets say we do the bottom one, 5000 CR to enter a lottery of 250k with a chance of 1-50 to win (Assuming all tickets are bought by 50 people buying max amount of tickets) ? Thats well worth 5k CR and buying the maximum number of tickets. Instantly winning 50 times the money you put into it, whoever the winner may be, just made a massive sum of money.

250k/7500 is roughly equal to 33 Vanaduke runs which would probably take multiple hours to complete. A Lottery makes the game easier, from any aspect, which is bad for the game.

My logic isnt flawed, you just have an ignorant view and want to ignore the future problems a lottery would cause.

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 12:39

#12

Thegamerguy

Ignorant view? How so? And,

Ignorant view? How so?

And, yet again- it's not going to be 1000 cr per ticket. I have no clue where you got that from. Even if it was and your scenarios were correct, newbie players wouldn't be the ones rewarded because they most likely wouldn't want to participate or would be unaware of the lottery.

So, two scenarios:
Mine: A random player buys a couple tickets for 200 cr a piece and wins. He gets 5-10k cr from the lottery and had to wait a week for it.
Yours: Tons of 5* players hop onto the gravy train spending 1k cr per ticket and one guy gets a couple hundred thousand cr. He uses those (because he's already got high star gear) to buy one, possibly two, pieces of gear or some costume items.

OMG! BOTH SCENARIOS SERIOUSLY AFFECTED THE GAME CAUSING A MASSIVE UPROAR OF PLAYERS ANNOYED BY ONE GUY BECOMING RICH BEYOND HIS WILDEST DREAMS THAT IN TURN MANIPULATED THE CE MARKET AND AUCTION HOUSE CAUSING MISERY TO..
.. nobody.

You basically came in here, read what I suggested, then made up your own irrational prices and scenarios to prove my own logical and minor game to be a problem. Your logic is definitely stable and makes a ton of sense. /e claps

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 13:20

#13

Michaelb

Is this legal?

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 13:22

#14

Thegamerguy

We have lotteries in real

We have lotteries in real life. Don't see why not.

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 13:27

#15

Michaelb

@Thegamerguy: Gambling is restricted in the USA, which is where the better part of SK's population resides.

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 13:37

#16

Tin-Foil-Hat

Someone appears to be upset

Someone appears to be upset because they cant accept the fact that a lottery is bad for the longevity of the game. /clap

All my numbers are examples, i dont know how you havent figured that out yet.

"Newbies wouldnt want to partake for that price", first off 5k CR is easily obtained by noobs, Jelly king. Theres the gap from there to Vanaduke, most "noobs" are stuck at the 3* level, thats what the gap is in this game is the time it takes to get from 3*-5*. Second off, "They already have 5* gear so they would buy one possibly two pieces of gear or some costume items", more than likely no. That money would probably be saved to upgrade gear or purchase an extremely expensive single costume item, if a 5* player even won.. If a "noob" won that amount, that can easily translate into multiple 4* pieces or a 5* piece. As you can see a random person with little skill or knowledge now has high end gear, negatively impacting grouping and other players gaming experiences. Third, youre just trying to make my example look bad and not looking at the long term effects of your own.

Back when i was 2-3* doing Jelly king i was easily making 50k+ a week.

Youre ignorant because you cant see what me or dragon have said nor do you care about anything that has been said. Youre definitely raging too if youre talking in all caps and making an obscene comment with the implication that we are freaking out.

By the way, even at 10k per week which roughly is a low end 3* item, you would be impacting the game. Lets say someone fairly fresh joins in 1-2* gear wins that. Boom 3* gear in their hands, no experience or idea on how to use the item effectively. They will more than likely stroll through their missions up to a certain point because theyre out gearing the missions rather than skillfully working their way through them like other players had to. This would impact random groups and player experiences because said player who won would more than likely lack the prerequisites skill wise and knowledge wise to work well within a group.

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 13:38

#17

Mupt

LOL

Could someone pass me the popcorn please?

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 13:47

#18

Michaelb

@Demete: What exactly are you trying to accomplish? All you're doing is making joke posts about how funny you think the argument here is. Why don't you try to actually add something useful to the discussion?

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 14:15

#19

Dragneel-Wiki

@Thgamerguy :

I don't see how is the Community agreeing on this. Not that there is alot of concuring comments, neither a reasonable argument about the point and purpose of this...

Whatever, I don't see this thread living till the end of this week.

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 14:21

#20

Thegamerguy

@Michaelb I know; the lottery

@Michaelb I know; the lottery is still very active in the USA though.

@Tin So what you're telling me is that one person getting a two star weapon plus a little extra, about enough to make it 3*, is bad for the game? Will it ruin your playing experience (or anyone's in that matter)? And of course I've been listening to your feedback. I've also been providing my point of view which you clearly have looked over. If I did not present opposing feedback then the thread would be quickly put aside and no discussion would take place. I mean, I'm an endgame player with all the money I'd ever want but that doesn't mean I want lower star players to suffer. Butthurt because someone can be handed one piece of low star gear because you never had yours handed to you I presume? You can't provide any examples of how this would negatively affect the game other than one single person, who might be a newbie, getting handed one piece of almost worthless gear per week/month. That's ridiculous.

@Dragneel There really isn't a large game-changing point to the thread, it's just to let a few people test their luck and have a little fun. I'm surprised to see how ruthless some contributers are though. Kinda sad because it's hindering the actual point of the thread.

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 16:22

#21

Tin-Foil-Hat

Butthurt ? Youre definitely

Butthurt ?

Youre definitely angry if youre relying on insults to prove your point.

Lets say Jimmy just joined the game and got past the starter zone. Jimmy has a couple hundered crowns in his pocket. Jimmy doesnt play computer games much so hes not only new at this game but at PC gaming in general.

Jimmy heads to haven and sees that you are holding a lottery. Jimmy thinks to himself, "Wow, thats alot of crowns! I think ill take a chance". Jimmy takes his crowns and uses them to purchase lottery tickets. The lottery is for 10,000 crowns, which is enough to purchase a low end 3* weapon if you take your time and look through the auction house for one.

Wow! Jimmy won the lottery, Jimmy now goes to the auction house and purchases a 3* weapon with his newly earned crowns after waiting a week. Jimmy doesnt play much, nor has he been through many missions, soo his other gear is very lacking.

Jimmy sees that this game has player vs player and thinks, "Wow! Lets go own some noobs with my awesome new 3* weapon". Little does Jimmy know, hes in over his head.

Jimmy joins Lockdown to "own noobs". The game begins and Jimmy dies over and over again and is unable to help his team because his lack of gear, skill and knowledge. His teammates begin to get angry because theyre carrying dead weight, they paid their fair share of crowns to enter the game as well, why should they lose their money without having an even fighting chance against the other team ? The players on Jimmys team now feel less encouraged to play lockdown because trying to carry new, unskilled players isnt fun. The players on Jimmys team wonder, "How does this guy have a 3* weapon if he just joined". Oh he won a lottery...

See where im going with this example ?

No its not ridiculous, handing people things without having them earn them is ridiculous.

(~1% drop rate on random items is acceptable because is low and the item drops are completely random. Ive gotten 2* gear from Vanaduke Treasure boxes. Due to the low, random, guaranteeing drop rates, this doesnt effect the game in a negative manner. Boxes contain cosmetics, prize wheel as far as i know doesnt contain any armor or weapon awards, making that acceptable as well).

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 18:59

#22

Thegamerguy

Sorry I was calling you an

Sorry I was calling you an idiot and acting immature the entire time instead of presenting facts, claims, and evidence like you desire... Oh, wait- I did.

Assumptions made with feedback:

-Jimmy goes into Haven and finds out there's a lottery
> The lottery will be forum-goers-exclusive

-Jimmy has had absolutely no experience playing the game
> He knows how to at least swing a sword around thanks to the intro

-A 3* piece of gear costs only 10k cr
> Refer me to this legendarily cheap sword, must buy o.o

-He buys a weapon
> We're talking about a newbie here, he'd most likely buy some Wolver stuff or other cosmetic items to look cool and get the wretched Proto gear off.

-He doesn't blow his rewards
> /burp Self-explanitory. Newbs can't manage their money as well as the long-time pros.

-He is knowledgeable of what weapon he is buying and that it is 3*
> He most likely wouldn't take the time to sift through the AH for a cheap 3* weapon. Doubtful he would even know how to use the AH

-He continues to play LD after being ripped to shreds
> Ragequit? Ragequit.

-The entire team rages at him for holding them back
> I've personally never seen teammates stop combat to yell at someone who's out on the battlefield trying to get kills

-There are no other bad players on the team
> If all the attention's pointed at Jimmy and the other players are pros, why can't they just suck it up and capture more? I see dead weights in LD all the time.

-The other LD players get discouraged from playing LD because of one match
> Lol. Serious LD players would shrug it off and keep on trucking for 15k damage.

-Jimmy hasn't done any other missions for other 1-2* gear rewards
> Doubtful Jimmy hasn't looked around the game already before getting his prize money. In fact, he'd prolly be decked out in 2* gear before the week's over.

-All the other LD players know he got his weapon from a random minor lottery on the forums
> Lol. They'd be making assumptions, same as you are.

Getting kind of bored answering the exact same situations, anything new you can bring to the table other than some random guy getting super lucky and making one LD team lose? Don't see the long-term horrible effects on the game unless Jimmy decides to hang himself and his parents file a lawsuit against OOO depriving them of a hefty amount of money (and that sure does sound practical, right?).

Want to know what I see?
Jimmy has started the game recently and is getting hang of the ropes. He's already got up to 3* gear and he's happy with the direction he's heading. He's looked around in the missions and market and has made some good friends and possibly met a nice guild. He's told that there's lots of discussion to be found on the forums and that could be a great place to learn more about the game and meet some nice players, so he goes here. He stumbles across my lottery and finds it very intriguing so he decides to buy a couple tickets, for the heck of it. In a few days his number is drawn and the crowns are sent to him and he rejoices because those 8k cr are all he needed to finally upgrade his beloved Dusker Coat into Ashtail. This helps him to grow a larger respect for OOO and its playerbase and he learns that the feeling of generously giving something to someone is a great thing for both the giver and the reciever.

We just helped make a long-time supporter and player of Spiral Knights :3

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 19:14

#23

Tin-Foil-Hat

TL;DR - Twisting everything

TL;DR - Twisting everything so it benefits your arguments yet again, without looking at the long term effect. Waste of time arguing with a child who is ignorant enough to ignore everything being said to him in order to make his argument seem as if its for the good of the community when it isnt.

Your maturity becomes ever soo clear when you make comments like "I dont see how it can affect other players and be bad unless the players go an kill themselves".

Pst... You see no negative effects because you turn a blind eye to them.

This thread should be sent directly to the graveyard, especially with your remarks above.

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 19:40

#24

Whimsicality

SK has enough gambling and random chances.

We don't need more.

Mon, 03/25/2013 - 20:07

#25

Thegamerguy

There was no long-term effect

There was no long-term effect in your scenario, which is why I turned a blind eye to it. As for the suicide ramble- it was meant to show how erroneous your idea of a viable scenario that would have a long-term effect was, as there would be none. I twisted none of your words, but rather dissected your post. If I did twist your words, let me know which instead of making yet another accusation unsupported by evidence.

Child? Ignorant? Immature? You sound flustered.
"Youre definitely angry if youre relying on insults to prove your point."

And, you see, that's the thing- I'm looking for long-term consequences, not players barging in stepping on anyone who has opposing views proclaiming the idea is horrid just because they didn't come up with it. The only card you've brought to the table is an irrational short-term consequence scenario of a newbie getting owned in LD- something that happens hundreds of times a day. Literally a drop of water in the ocean. Try to give me a river or hurricane instead.

I also see you skipped over the part of how I envision it playing out- your thoughts?

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 00:00

#26

Flynnerik

My only reservation about this...

Is the simple fact that it might legally be considered gambling. You are buying an online item (using real $$ in most cases) and then selling it for virtual items (crowns) and then gambling with this.

I don't know if OOO has lawyers they can call upon for this question or not. I like the concept, I am a gambler myself, BUT would this be considered gambling if A) OOO does it, and B) if they are in the clear, does this mean us players can do it legally.

We need a lawyer to be safe and secure doing it, otherwise anyone running it could go be a lot of trouble (and international trouble is the worst kind). If this is possible, I have a whole design in mind with a lot of features/things from one of my past online ventures that would be of huge help in making this a success (I started an online gaming system many years ago raffles were part of it (which that's all a lottery really is), but never finished due to lack of flash programmer/action script, I know many languages, those aren't 2 I ever studied lol)

Anyway that's neither here nor there, I am rambling and need a beer. Admins, can you chime in on the legality of this?

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 04:45

#27

Thegamerguy

I'd assume it would be fine,

I'd assume it would be fine, but you're right- it'd be best to receive confirmation. And I'm not so sure about buying an online item- the ticket perhaps is what you mean? Everything would be virtual in the game if this were to occur.

I'd love to hear about your design/ideas

EDIT: Doing a lot of research on the legality of this idea.

From the ToS:
9. intentionally or unintentionally violate any applicable local, state,
national or international law, including, but not limited to,
regulations promulgated by the U.S. Securities and Exchange
Commission, any rules of any national or other securities exchange,
including, without limitation, the New York Stock Exchange, the
American Stock Exchange or the NASDAQ, and any regulations having the
force of law;

Research:
Internet gambling is illegal in all 50 states. Raffles are generally considered a form of gambling, and the United States has a ban on this type of activity.

Although research tells me there's a large chance it could be illegal to host this sort of raffle in-game, I'm undecided. Internet gambling refers to the personal gain/loss of real-life monetary values, which this in-game lottery would not do. Seriously need a person from OOO to step in, especially seeing all the other gambling threads that are popping up. I'd also speculate that if it was a violation, it would be looked over as idle fun and larger gambling organizations would continue to be targeted.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 04:52

#28

Wu-Wei

hmmm

Are we going to change the name clockworks to casino? Can't we rather have proper leaderboards? Game-wide leaderboards, not just for LD and BN, that do not reset.

Top 500?

-Individual Snarby Kills
-Guild Snarby Kills(party must be 2 or more and consist of same guild) etc.
-JK Kills...
-RT Kills...
-Vana Kills...
-Tier 3 Warmaster Seerus Kills! (How many people did that more than once??.. not many.. not many)
-Amount of Clockwork levels completed

This would inspire more grinding and less begging(for crowns and ce because they do not want to grind) and hoping(for lucky draws)

I do love a good leaderboad chase ;)

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 05:00

#29

Mookie-Cookie

...

You'd think if "using money on the off chance you win some more money" is classified as gambling, then paying 200 crowns to enter LD would be gambling.

Regardless, the "noob wins money and gets better gear earlier" is a horrible scenario. Jimmy probably has a 1/20000 chance of winning, and I doubt lotteries would be held ALL the time. Jimmy might not even find out about lotteries until he's 3 star. Yes, it IS possible, it's just not very probable.

Regardless, as much as "get money for no effort" sounds great; I'm saying no. Promoting gambling is a big no no for me.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 06:07

#30

Shidara

@Masterofkings

Except the outcome of Lockdown matches are decided by co-ordinated teamwork and general performance. That makes everything different, because you influence the outcome of the game whereas real gambling deals with random chance where the players cannot influence the odds.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 06:15

#31

Tin-Foil-Hat

Send this thread to the

Send this thread to the Graveyard, its pathetic this thread is still up.

Im not even going to give you more responses Thegamerguy because you say things id expect a 10 year old on Xbox Live to say. None of my comments above are insults they are facts of how you are acting.

Ill re-quote to show the lack of maturity, insight, regard for other players experience you have.

"I don't see the long-term horrible effects on the game unless Jimmy decides to hang himself and his parents file a lawsuit against OOO depriving them of a hefty amount of money (and that sure does sound practical, right?)".

Send it to the Graveyard.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 06:15

#32

Tin-Foil-Hat

Dub post

Boop.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 06:21

#33

Orkwrath

popcorn...

Can someone pass the popcorn? @Tin-Foil - This thread is not an argument post. i think its a good idea!

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 06:58

#34

Dragneel-Wiki

@Thegamerguy :

I didn't want to comment further, but your statement prevented me from doing so...

"Although research tells me there's a large chance it could be illegal to host this sort of raffle in-game, I'm undecided. Internet gambling refers to the personal gain/loss of real-life monetary values, which this in-game lottery would not do."

You know that there are CE packages bought with real money, don't you? Now imagine that there is a crazy gambler; he would buy loads of CE with real money and gamble with it in-game, which can cause the person losses in real life, due to his stupidity, dumbness and irresponsibility of gambling in a virtual game. I know you will say no one is like that, but believe it or not, there a lot of maniacs around here that can do anything in a virtual world. Actually, I find gambling wrong in both real life and in virtual stuff, plus my religion forbids that, because of the wasting, horrible outcomes of it. Oh well... that's just my point of view, I am not concerned if you are going to listen or not.

@Jediel :

Trying to act funny, huh? And this thread is nearly a suggestion, which implies that arguments are valid, furthermore, your statement is invalid.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 07:09

#35

Thegamerguy

@Tin- You must get quite

@Tin- You must get quite frustrated with 10 year olds being more intelligent on a subject than you are then ;) And yet still, I don't see how naming off the absolutely only possible long-term consequence of Jimmy losing at LD is immature or disrespectful to fellow players. You're pointing up into the sky at nothing and making a huge fuss about it. Thanks to replying to my post also (sarcasm). Just shows you don't have any long-term consequences to contribute and are utterly frustrated because I was victorious in revealing the latter. The thread will absolutely not be shut down because while you weren't jumbling up my words and overall making large statements with the exact same scenarios in each, players came in and contributed their own -non hostile- feedback on the matter.

Seeing as you haven't been reading every word in my posts, let me make this simple so even you can understand:
-You twisted my original proposal to make it seem like a bad idea
-You have given me no long-term consequences
-You're not responding to a large percent of each of my posts
-In the midst of intellectual evidence you break down and call me immature
-You lost the argument so you demanded for the topic to be shut down

As with a small child having a temper tantrum because they got spanked on the butt and sent to time-out, I will ignore you now. Have fun talking with air.

Other people who came in here, I'm so glad you're contributing- keep it up! :D

@Shidara Yup, LD is decided by the most skilled team so I wouldn't consider it a form of gambling, but more of a game of luck- If you have good teammates you're more likely to succeed. I'd love to hear your views on this raffle/lottery idea though.

@Dragneel Your input is greatly valued actually, although it may have not seemed that way at first (hard to convey tone through text). About your maniac situation, I definitely know about that possibility, but that's why I proposed setting the tickets to a low price with a low limit. About your religion- mine condones gambling as well, but I'm looking at this as more of a raffle to provide a fun time to other willing players rather than a get-rich-quick scheme or anything with a negative connotation. No trickery, scamming, or players going broke because of it. It's also just an idea. Thanks for the feedback :3

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 07:32

#36

Tin-Foil-Hat

You realize that it isnt

You realize that it isnt lockdown only, it translates to other group activities as well. Use your brain, kid. Ive given you plenty of examples, youre an imbecile and have been ignoring every single example.

"Butthurt because someone can be handed one piece of low star gear because you never had yours handed to you I presume?".

"OMG! BOTH SCENARIOS SERIOUSLY AFFECTED THE GAME CAUSING A MASSIVE UPROAR OF PLAYERS ANNOYED BY ONE GUY BECOMING RICH BEYOND HIS WILDEST DREAMS THAT IN TURN MANIPULATED THE CE MARKET AND AUCTION HOUSE CAUSING MISERY TO..
.. nobody.".

You see these statements above ? These are statements made by an angry child.

Youre the only person freaking out, cant wait until this thread gets sent to the graveyard.

By the way, youre probably the most delusional person ive encountered in a while.

"You lost the argument so you asked for the thread to be shut down". Nope, you lost the argument when you decided to start acting like a child but i guess thats the logical explanation for a child when someone decided to stop arguing with them. I simply decided to stop arguing with someone whos ignorant and doesnt even have basic insight into future effects things like this cause.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 07:31

#37

Msaad

Tin-Foil-Hat
Sorry to object, but here are the rules.

DO:

Be excellent to each other. Keep your posts respectful and polite. Disagreement is fine, but scratching, biting, and hair pulling is not allowed.
Report violations of forum rules via our Support Email form so that staff may attend to the violation as quickly as possible. When doing so, please supply a link to the post(s) you are reporting.
Report in-game issues, such as Terms of Service violations by other players, via in-game complaint and support requests. This ensures that the Spiral Knights GMs will see your report as soon as possible.
Direct support-related issues and questions to the support staff via the Support Email form.
Keep the forums in the same languages that are supported in the game. Posts which cannot be read by the moderators will be removed.
Use the Search option (located in the upper right corner of the forums) to check for existing posts/threads on your topic.
Keep your posts relevant to the forum section in which you are posting. Read the description for each forum to make sure you’re posting in the right place.

To tell you the truth, i dislike the idea of the OP too.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 07:39

#38

Tin-Foil-Hat

@ Msaad - I know the rules, i

@ Msaad - I know the rules, i dont find that im being disrespectful nor impolite. I think im simply pointing out statements and actions made by the original poster that have been ignored or over looked.

"Butthurt because someone can be handed one piece of low star gear because you never had yours handed to you I presume?".

Soo now im butthurt from a random assumption, instead of arguing he makes a childish assumption.

Blatantly raging with caps lock. Implying that everyone is going to freak out if someone comes across some riches.

Childish, just flat out childish at this point. Going as far as implying that if other people are affected by this, we are obsessed enough to kill ourselves over a video game.

Completely being melodramatic statements over and over again because hes ignoring the negative future effects such events have.

Thread needs shut down, period.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 07:48

#39

Msaad

Tin-Foil-Hat

"You realize that it isnt lockdown only, it translates to other group activities as well. Use your brain, kid. Ive given you plenty of examples, youre an imbecile and have been ignoring every single example."

I'm sure that's a sign of rudeness.

Nevertheless, I completely agree with you on this thread being shut down.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 08:03

#40

Dragneel-Wiki

@Thegamerguy :

You are welcome. And I'd like to thank you for the civilized discussion we had, with no hate or disrespect. Hope I didn't offend you or anything, I just wanted to show you my point, that's all. I really like the person that doesn't get ignorant and immature when things being discussed around him.

Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:16

#41

Aphrodite

Community Manager

Lotteries, raffles and

Lotteries, raffles and similar games that rely on players giving money and trusting someone to randomly select a winner are not allowed. To prevent people from being scammed, we do not allow these events.