Spiral Knights - A Lore Theory

A Lore Theory

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Sat, 05/04/2013 - 15:31

Klipik

Not sure if this should go in GD or Treasure Vault. Oh well.

Theory: Connection between Almire, Scarlet Fortress, and Candlestick Keep

Margrel/Margel, said to be the unluckiest Kat of all, is said to have brought about the destruction of the Owlites and the damnation of the Kats. Right? So, here's what happened:
-Kat Tribe, Owlites, and Almire are fighting.
-Kats attack Owlites, in the raid described by the Kat gear during the Black Kat event.
-Margel opens the Book of Grey Feathers.
-Margel reads the book and gains knowledge of the Owlite Magics, which combined with the Kat abilities gave him the power to unite the Owlites and Kats and attack Almire.
-United army approaches Almire.
-Vanaduke sees it coming, flees into mountains, gets cursed, blah blah blah.
-Vana comes back as a fire demon. Owlite/Kat army runs away.
-the Owlite kingdom is closer to Almire, so it gets destroyed and all Owlites are killed.
-the Kat kingdom is farther away, and before Vana reaches it, Margrel attempts to use his new powers to save the kats.
-It turns out Owlite Magic and Kats don't mix well, and combined with the fact that Margrel is inexperienced and desparate and that an ant walked into the ritual circle (hence the unluckiest Kat of all), he instead creates a curse, cursing all Kats to forever wander the living world as ghosts.
-Most are turned into the normal Spookats and variants we see today, but those who set foot in Almire are turned into Grimalkins.
-Grimalkins go to Candlestick Keep pursuing Vana and the Owlites, who they now see as traitors.
-Black Kats were a by-product of being in really dark places when the curse hit and too much negative energy to start with, as well as the Kats that were close to Margrel when he cast the curse.
-Scarlet Fortress is Scarlet because Vanaduke approached the castle seeking revenge, but realized all the Kats were dead anyway and left. He didn't get close enough for eternal flames everywhere, just a red tinge in the air.

Does that make sense? :D

EDIT: Added Grimalkin and Black Kat creation.

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 17:08

Magnicth

Not quite. According to the

Not quite. According to the lore, the Kats and the Owlites were at war with each other. Margrel found the book of owlite magic, and read it, casting a spell that destroyed the owlites, and turned all the kats into spookats. Therefore, they could not have been the two kingdoms that attacked Almire, as neither the kats nor the owlites could have had the resources to attack Almire, as they were in constant conflict with each other, and therefore would never have been able to unite. The gremlins, however, could have had ancient medieval ramparts and kingdoms during this time period, as their civilization would have had to come from somewhere, and we know that the slimes have had a monarchy established for some time now, but there is little evidence that either of these two had anything to do with Almire. There are some references to another kingdom,however. The ancient plate set mentions the armor being worn by titans. The ironmight shield's crest's meaning has been "lost in time". I believe that the answer to the question lies within the plate sets. The ironmight crest is similar to the Almirian crest, but it simply cannot be the same crest of the same kingdom, as why would there be two different sets for one kingdom: the ironmight and almirian crusader? So who were the plate user's, or as I like to call them, the ironmights or the titans, we may never know, but I believe that they are likely the kingdom or kingdoms who attacked Almire.

As for the Scarlet Fortress, that is a difficult question, with no real answer that we can find.

Man, we need to make a timeline for this stuff. It's confusing.

~Magnicth the Magical Bush

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 17:27

Little-Juances

Scarlet fortress has almire flag but is intact. We don't know why, neither do kats.
They are there out of curiosity, trying to tie loose ends, just like this thread.

All this story about books and Margrel proves kats have some brains.

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 17:58

Canine-Vladmir

how do you...

How do you know OOO isnt making it up as they go?

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 18:32

Klipik

@Mag

No one ever said Margrel killed the Owlites directly. In fact, I'm pretty sure that somewhere, someone from OOO (probably Nick) all but said it wasn't directly at all. And the Ironmight shield has the Crowns symbol, not the Almirian symbol.

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 18:35

Neodasus

@Canine-Vladmir

They aren't, not at all. R&D has already finished the core of the story and is now thinking up ways to prolong it via Recon Knight sidestory and Crimson Order. It's nice to see a discussion on lore for once, personally I find the Sanctuary lore pretty heavy...

Has anyone thought of why crystals form different stratas--and why the energy from crystals is supposed to open the core? I didn't read too much into it, but I'm kind of getting the "world eater" vibe from the clockworks. You think The Architect would be the final battle? What about the sub-boss? Alpha Squad perhaps?

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 18:45

Klipik

@Neo

Those are two different threads right there. Luckily, one of them already exists.

About the CW construction/feeding part... I feel like if the core wanted out, it could just instruct the CW to dump all the minerals into its mouth. The real question is, Why have we not taken over the Energy Mines yet?

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 19:03

Magnicth

@Klipik: Margrel opened the

@Klipik: Margrel opened the Book of Grey Feathers, and that brought about the Kataclysm, killing the owlites and kats. Margrel may not have known that opening the book would result in this, but he was most likely looking into the book to find out how to kill the owlites, or at least find the secret to their magic, as the owlites and kats were at war.

-"A magnificently crafted cowl said to resemble the Kat Tribe hero, Torair, who clung to the gates of the Owlite High Academy of Magicks as both it and his explosives burned."~Kat Hiss Cowl

-"A magnificently crafted cowl said to resemble the Kat Tribe hero, Preowa, whose artillery silenced the Grey Feather Tower Sages."~Kat Eye Cowl

-"A magnificently crafted cowl said to resemble the Kat Tribe hero, Scraith, first to scale the walls of the Owlite High Academy of Magicks."~Kat Claw Cowl

They were very obviously fighting to overcome each other, as you can tell. Therefore, they definitely would not have united against Almire.

And I did not say the Crest of Almire had the crown symbol. I said the crest on the ironmight plate shield was similar to that of the Almirian crest. Both are crowns, but the ironmight has the symbol of the currency crown while the Almirian crown is more stylized. As I said, similar.

~Magnicth the Magical Bush

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 19:16

Klipik

Yes they were fighting, that is described in the first few bullet points. Do I have to explain it again? The Kats attacked the Owlites, and during/after the attack Margrel opened the Book. The book gave him tremendous power, and the Owlites saw this and surrendered. Since there were three fighting kingdoms, the third being Almire, Margrel saw his chance to take control of all three. He offered the Owlites a choice: be killed, or form an alliance to invade Almire. They choose alliance, and then everything else I said happens.

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 19:27

Milkman

At least have some evidence

At least have some evidence for your theory..

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 20:07

#10

Magnicth

@Klipik: You have it all

@Klipik: You have it all wrong. When Margrel opened the book, the book of grey feathers, that caused the Kataclysm, which killed the owlites and kats alike. There was no surrender. Why else would Margrel be the unluckiest kat that ever lived?

~Magnicth the Magical Bush

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 20:17

#11

Klipik

And what was the Kataclysm exactly? This. Vana's rampage and Margrel's screw-up. He's the unluckiest Kat because 1) he attacked a weak kingdom and there just happened to be a giant fire demon waiting for him and 2) because of that ant I talked about.

@Milk: I did mention all my evidence. Plus, this is lore about a game that's barely focused on lore since its creation... How much more evidence could I possibly find?

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 20:32

#12

Xxpapaya

The papaya doesn't understand

Well, now that we know what happened (kinda), I'm still curious about WHY they attacked each other :/

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 20:40

#13

Magnicth

@Klipik: The Kataclysm and

@Klipik: The Kataclysm and the transformation of Vanaduke are completely unrelated. The opening of the Book of Grey Feathers did not cause lord Vanaduke to seek help from Vog in the mountains, he did that of his own accord. The Kataclysm was a completely different event. Opening the book likely triggered a spell of owlite origin, and destroyed them and the kats, in the event known as the Kataclysm. Two. Different. Events.

~Magnicth the Magical Bush

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 21:25

#14

Yttriu

Actually, Klipik may be onto

Actually, Klipik may be onto something. Remember, OOO stated that Almire was at war with two other nations. These two other nations could have been the Owlites and the Kats. Also, there is no evidence that says the Kataclysm was a different event. There is only information that can be easily misconstrued. Some might believe in the more direct version (like Magnicth), but if you spread your mind, you could also see it Klipik's way.

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 21:26

#15

Klipik

You can't say they're different, because they both have big holes in their stories. Vana went to [probably Vog] in the mountains because his kingdom was being attacked by two united kingdoms. Margrel brought about the destruction of the Owlites and the Kats by opening the Book of Grey Feathers. No one said instantly. This explains how and why both things happened. The united kingdoms that attacked Almire were the Owlites and the Kats.

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 21:46

#16

Hexzyle

@Magnith

Referring to the plate mail idea, it does make a lot of sense seeing as all the plate mails share a very close resemblance to the construct of the Almirian Crusader armor, hinting that they were possibly used in the same location and era.

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 22:07

#17

Magnicth

@Klipik: Why would the

@Klipik: Why would the owlites and kats unite? Why? They were at WAR. I doubt they would have joined together to take out a small kingdom like Almire that had nothing to do with the owls and kats. What were they going to do? Go take out Almire, who is just sitting there minding its own business, and then resume fighting? I don't think so.

@Hexzyle: EXACTLY! And the kats and owlites were hardly kingdoms. The kats were more of a tribe, and the owlites were simply an academy of scholars. The 2 kingdoms that attacked were two different ones that have not been revealed yet, if they will ever be revealed. Who knows, could just simply be an older system of gremlins, or even slimes for all we know, but it can't be a coincidence that the plate mails mention being worn by titans, and there being 2 kingdoms that have not been named.

~Magnicth the Magical Bush

Sat, 05/04/2013 - 23:29

#18

Klipik

I already explained why they would unite. Twice, actually. No need to do it again. I suggest you go read the FSC lore again... See what it says about why it was attacked in the first place.

As for the plate armors... If my theory is wrong, that might be another possibility. I can find two explanations for it within the bounds of my theory though.

1) Ancient Plate was used by the "Heavies" of the Almirian army, much like our own Spiral Wardens/Guardian Knights. To us, they could be described as titans.
2) Kats wore the Ancient Plate. We don't actually know what they looked like Pre-Kataclysm; now they're just spirits. Shapeless ghosts. No indication of past bodies...

And as a side note, it's very unlikely one of the kingdoms was Gremlin, unless there was more than one gremlin kingdom at that time. The lore says the two opposing kingdoms were destroyed, but gremlins still exist today.

Sun, 05/05/2013 - 00:17

#19

Hexzyle

@Klipik

Kats did not wear heavy armor, they equipped light material, as evident by the hoods and masks. As a tribe they treasured mobility over powerful defense. There were three "classes" to the Kat tribe's warriors, none of them wore heavy armor, as how could you "scale" a wall wearing tonnes of rock/metal?

Ancient Plate Mail does not belong to Almire. If it did, it would carry the Almirian Insignia, or at least not be so unrecognizable (origin-wise) compared to Almire's equipment. Also, no Almirians have yet to be seen wearing the Ancient Plate Mail, yet remains of it were found in Almire (Almirian Seal reward) which means that the armor is linked somehow, likely through one of the warring Kingdoms.

Sun, 05/05/2013 - 00:55

#20

Gravelord-Caste

Take off your mask. Then show us your Smile.

I don't actually think the Kats and Owlites were a part of Almire's history, mainly because it sounds like the Kats were trying to commit genocide against their feathered foes. As for the Kataclysm, Margrel's Wiki discription says He was the one who opened the Book of Grey Feathers, causing the Kataclysm. This event not only destroyed the Owlites, but also destroyed the Kat tribe as well. It's a bit ambiguous, but it implies that Margrel annihilated the Owlites and condemned his race by himself. I find them being Almire's foes doubtable.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 15:37

#21

Klipik

Totally not a necro

@Hex:
The Kat hats say they were made to resemble the Kats, not that they were worn by them. Also, only three classes of Kat warrior are mentioned, but it doesn't say those were the only three anywhere. There could be more.

What do you mean "unrecognizable (origin-wise)"? If you're talking about the condition of the armor compared to Almirian Crusader armor, keep in mind that the Crusader set is a Shadow Lair armor and could have been "purified" by the Sanctuary entity. And on the matter of style, can you tell our Guardian Knights (Arkus and the like) are related to Feron, Vaelyn, Kora, or any other normal-size knights?

@Gravelord:
It doesn't really imply that Margrel acted alone all too strongly. Everything else you pointed out, I explained already.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 19:06

#22

Shadownox

Honk honk. Make way for the dead bunny.

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Firestorm_Citadel

"For this, the other two kings feared him and formed a truce to invade Almire."

This sentence proves your theory wrong, Kilipik. It specifically states that the two kingdoms FEARED Almire, and made a truce. Not Margrel forcing the Owlites to invade Almire. I would also think that the Owlites rather be decimated than dabble with kats. These two kingdoms will remain anonymous for now until someone finds further evidence or OOO decides to create some more lore.

The Scarlet Hall, me and my brother both think, is another part of the Owlite kingdom. I think the flags are those of the Owlites, but I don't remember - however, it wouldn't make sense for the Owlites to hole themselves up in the Academy. They probably had several, such as the Scarlet Hall, Candlestick Keep, etc. The academy seiged by the kats that included Margrel opening the book, thus causing the Kataclysm, was probably their final stand.

Also, I rather agree with Magnicth - the Kataclysm and Almire being destroyed were two different events. There is no evidence to say that they aren't, but there isn't any evidence to say that they are either.

I believe that the "Titans" that wielded Plate Armor are gods that Almire worshipped, and that the armor is designed to look like what they thought it looked like. Possibly, their own crest could be related to the Ironmight Plate crest, only they decided to fluff it up, make it look a bit more fancy. I think that the crest on the Ironmight, however, signified that the gods they worshipped were simple yet powerful - notice how the armor is unadorned, yet holds a great defensive. This is more plausible theory than Kilipik's, in that they were Almire's version of our Guardians. Also, I find the branches on the Blackened Crest and Crest of Almire interesting.

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Blackened_Crest

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Crest_Of_Almire

Notice how the branches grow out of the crown itself. Perhaps they had a special tree that they worshipped or was their symbol - kinda like how in Lotr Gondor has a symbol, the White Tree thingy. But, look - only the branches are signified, not the trunk. Perhaps this tree possessed special healing powers or whatnot that grew from the branches.

Many people assume that Almire worshipped Vog - this is not true. Vanaduke fled into the mountains and found a shrine with unknown origins. He knew that this shrine belonged to a powerful deity, but he did not know it belonged to Vog. Actually, Citadel lore does not specify it was Vog, but we can assume that because Vanaduke burned everything to ashes and grew fur and claws.

Also, Gremlins have their own lore - the Crimson Order. And the fact that they have not yet been destroyed in the past, probably means that they hid in the Clockworks that Tinkinzar built while the other nations above warred. Although, it is confusing, because Almire is in the depths of the works, yet the description "...was a land of lush, beautiful trees and golden fields." suggests otherwise. Also, Vanaduke fled into the mountains - hard to do in the Clockworks.

Wow, I'm so confuzzled right now. Will post more later!

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 20:35

#23

Klipik-Forum

Well for that last part with the Gremlins, I think the events that formed FSC as we know it happened prior to the creation of Cradle. So the gremlins wouldn't have anything to do with it.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 22:45

#24

Hexzyle

I have evidence that the two events were separate: In Owlite history books, the Fall of Almire is recorded. The details of the records implies that the Owlites had time to research into the Fall of Almire, and time to write the books. This wouldn't have occurred if the Kataclysm occurred too shortly after the Fall of Almire.

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 18:23

#25

Shadownox

Honk honk. Make way for the dead bunny.

Really? How'd you find this out? Is it on the wiki?

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 20:24

#26

Dragonicblaze

@Hexzyle

Now that Hex brought that up, it does stir my memory reading a book in candlestick keep that said about them having done research about the fall of almire. Sorry Klipik, I will have to agree with Shadownox.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 08:30

#27

Thunderskull

The book...

The book exists in occurence of owlite mission.... As for the scarlet hall the banners are completely non owlite related, and also that we don't actually know how huge the Academy was originally.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:22

#28

Klipik-Forum

Oops.

So I just played through An Occurrence at Owlite Keep again, and I found the document (actually just a stone podium, but w/e)... well that kind of throws this theory out the window. Oh well.

But! This proves other things.

-Almirians, Kats, and Owlites all lived on the same planet, prior to the creation of cradle.
-Knights have a calendar system
-Owlites used the same calendar system?

I also have more stuff to say about Gremlins, but that's for another thread.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:14

#29

Hexzyle

-Almirians, Kats, and Owlites all lived on the same planet, prior to the creation of cradle.

Or perhaps the Kataclysm occurred after all the worlds were merged? It doesn't seem like the Fall of Almire did though, since it seems like marching armies and kingdoms require open space for lands and such.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:37

#30

Thunderskull

The Keep!!!! It is not whole....

Candlestick Keep is just the remains of the Owlite Academy with minor or little damage from the conflict, it is unlikely that the Kataclysm actually occurred after the lands merged to create what we call Cradle since all that was left of the academy was merged during the building of Cradle. The descriptions of the Kat gears says something about walls and gates, which are probably massive in size.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:26

#31

Hexzyle

@Thunderskull

The descriptions of the Kat gears says something about walls and gates, which are probably massive in size.

True.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 07:41

#32

Klipik-Forum

We don't know when the Kataclysm occurred, but we do know that the Owlites had research and documentation on the Fall of Almire. Now, unless the Owlites had some extremely powerful magic that can override cursed shadowfire, I don't think they could have learned much from the burning heap of rubble FSC is now.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:19

#33

Hexzyle

@Klipik-Forum

Crystal Balls.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:24

#34

Thunderskull

Owlish Owlites

If owlites are actually "owl-like" they would of probably have superior vision, as well they would be advanced enough to have magnifying equipment to help them see even more things. Maybe even enchanted spyglasses or something.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:37

#35

Hexzyle

Or it's actually a very literal version of "A Wizard did it"

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