Spiral Knights - Petition to Nerf Polaris to the Ground.

Petition to Nerf Polaris to the Ground.

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Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:20

Dragonicblaze

Hai, I recently joined T3 after a long period of absence.. and I saw people with either chaos sets or black kat mask/chaos hybrids with their VH/Ultra dmg buffs spamming polaris.

I do not whine about ANYthing.. but the last time I felt that a weapon was this unreasonably overpowered.. it was RSS.. scratch that.. this dmg bonus + polaris that people are using is MUCH more overpowered than that RSS that people just had to spam and dodge bullets with.. Please this is just plain broken.. just.. nerf it to the ground devs.. thats my request.

Just two people spamming polaris provides them a great big cloak where they r very hard to reach to do any dmg at all because of the huge bullets covering 1/4 of the map.. and that shock that u get.. when they decide to spam u some more which turns out to be incredibly effective due to the dmg boost.. atm they ARE throwable bombs that do not require a cooldown.. so PLS...

Do you guys agree with me? any thoughts?

P.S. I know I am not making much sense with this bad post.. but PLS.. nerf.. PLS... -dies-

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:24

Gzilla

Purely because you dissed the old RSS, besides there have been a lot of petitions to nerd the Polaris, none of them worked.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:34

Legend-Knight-Hadi

POLARIS 4EVER

I USE POLARIS, EVER TRIED USING ONE??! PEOPLE ARE AT YOUR MERCY :P

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:38

Fleet-Miss-Gun

What do you mean of nerfing Polaris to the ground?

Do you mean you want to nerf Polaris into an underpowered weapon?

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 22:42

Gzilla

That reminds me

If the Polaris DID get nerfed, what do you guys think would be the next overly spammed gun? I'm going with the supernova.

Sat, 05/11/2013 - 23:33

Zeddy

Dashing is on its way already, please be patient.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:48

Krakob

Yeah no.

What if I told you there are other overpowered guns and Lockdown isn't all of Spiral Knights? It's not even all of PvP. Also you need to learn how to dodge. Polaris has some of the slowest bullets in the game. Their direction doesn't change and neither does their speed.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 00:52

Heavy-Dragon

No.

As a Recon in Lockdown, Ive managed to slip through walls of polaris bullets without breaking my shield.

Maybe if you stopped ( I assume) Dashing and smacking into every last bullet you would be better off.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 02:27

Blue-Flood

I nerf polaris with

I nerf polaris with sentenza.
Clones tend to go full retard with polaris.
Never go full retard.
Sentenza bites ya.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 03:50

Dendios

Don't make another thread, please.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 04:10

#10

Kimahsonite

The people who DON'T want

The people who DON'T want Polaris to be nerfed either:

1) Use a Polaris themselves and know that without it they would be doomed in Lockdown.
2) Haven't been in a match where:
A. the entire opposite team has a Polaris (yes it happened to me once) and is base-raping us.
B. 2 or more clones are using their Polaris bombs to choke off an important entry point (for example the upper base entrances in Necropolis) so that either you get shocked and killed within a spasm if you manage to charge through the storm, or you get knocked back and lose most of your health and then chased down and killed by the clones.

And in regards to Gzilla trying to defend his precious Polaris claiming that Supernova will become the new Polaris, the Supernova does normal damage (which we all know is unfortunately inferior to specialised damage) and it doesn't inflict shock either. Rather, it will become a half-decent alternative if Polaris got a slight damage reduction or perhaps an ammo penalisation to 2 bullets per clip exclusive to the Kilowatt Pulsar, Gigawatt Pulsar and Polaris (yes those are my suggestions for nerfing the Polaris :D).

Although I don't agree with 'nerfing Polaris to the ground' to the point that it becomes under-powered, I do agree that a Polaris nerf has been long called for.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 04:51

#11

Asukalan

The people who DO want

The people who DO want Polaris to be nerfed either:

1) Are thinking they are immortal LD player for which nothing stands on way, they travel map back and forth with their striker skolver bravely weliding toothpick
2) Are just plain narrow-minded, they once got killed by polaris and are like hyper on "OGM EAH NERF DAT GAN".

Its so much simple to just go rampage and demand nerfing a weapon that gets you killed than actually improve your gameplay style to counter that weapon.

If weapon X gets nerfed its natural that weapon Y is going to replace it. Then everyone will go hype on nerfing weapon Y. Weapon Y gets nerfed, guess what, weapon Z takes it place as most 'evul' weapon. Then naturally after fierce petions weapon Z is nerfed and so on...

What we end up with? Proto gun war after all possible weapons have been nerfed because there were always some crybabies and sissypanties who got killed by them and only conclusion they got from that is that "OMG IMPOSSIBRU, im best player, that weapon killed me its obviously OPPPPPPP" and they didnt even thing that there actually might be someone better than them, or they technique is flawed.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 05:05

#12

Parripoo

Polaris is not OP. Play a

Polaris is not OP. Play a match with just GF, and then play a match with just Polaris. See which match u get a better score in. If anything is OP, it has to be ASI VH gran fausts.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 05:20

#13

Bleyken

Polaris is for pros. Learn to dodge.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 05:24

#14

Hexzyle

@Kimahsonite

"1) Use a Polaris themselves and know that without it they would be doomed in Lockdown."

I use Supernova and I want both it and the Polaris nerfed, especially when it comes to knockback. The knockback of it makes it a weapon that even a brain-dead retard can use without getting hurt.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:25

#15

Mikeyye

Before the dash and shield bashing ideas, I wanted to nerf the Polaris down to 2 clips.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:26

#16

Mikeyye

Double Post. :C

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 07:54

#17

Neodasus

What Spiral Knights needs is

What Spiral Knights needs is a circular weapons metagame. Slow weapons can be countered by fast weapons, timing can defeat hammer, etc etc. However, noting can really provide a counter to Polaris when used en masse. This is why Dash needs to come, and why it needs to have invincibility frames (but not the whole animation). From what I've seen it is the perfect counter to Polaris.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:20

#18

Anthrom

basicly what neodasus said with a twist

Everyone hates the knockback and huge damage of those guns but people are too lazy to learn how to deal with it so they whine to get them nerfed.
I am not insulting anyone here, as a supernova User I acknowledge its power but also its weakness:

Polaris users in pvp gt high uv's in case they shock the enemy without dealing knockback, one smart person would get the quicksilver set and go guardian, bring AP or senteza becouse of its long range so u don't have to worry about the knockback or go reacon and get behind them without getting detected and GF them.

There is more simple ways to worry not of polaris and pulsate or just fight fire with fire.

Avoiding polaris is a lot easier than u think, just don't whine about it

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:41

#19

Reto-Da-Liz

I think that taking away the

I think that taking away the shock would be a good thing

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:49

#20

Gzilla

@Kima

You do realize I'm not defending the Polaris right? I hate as much as the next guy, I play at two bars usually and any polaris lags me out. I'm not saying that the supernova WILL take over for the polaris I'm just saying that I think it might since it's exactly like it, except for the elemental damage and shock. Hopefully the dash system changes how we can deal with polaris spam. if you actually paid attention to my post I never said I didn't want a nerf, it was just I didn't like how he compared it to the old RSS and that a nerf to the polaris would be highly unlikely.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 08:51

#21

Knight-Solaire

Praise the sun! \o/

I'm guessing most of the people complaining about Polaris are strikers? Ironic, since that's the class best-suited to counter them. Polaris is terrible at CQC, so get up in their face and make them pay. The bullets are slow enough to dodge. It's almost impossible to be completely "blocked in" by Polaris spam on almost all LD maps (exception for Frostbite I'd give you, if you were near an ice trap and have bad timing), unless you let them faceroll you into a corner and offer literally no resistance at all.

They have a path blocked? Take another. There are more.

They have a point locked down with Polaris spam? There are 2/4 more points, and you only need more than half of them to win.

They have you spawn trapped? Improbable on most maps, but if they did you likely earned it for not doing the first two things.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:09

#22

Legend-Knight-Hadi

Why not

Instead of needing anything related to a pulsar, make knock back proof armour? A few of them?
Idc

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 09:54

#23

Dimbreath

So, if I carry a Polaris to

So, if I carry a Polaris to lockdown, 100% enemy team rage?

I'll do that.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:15

#24

Lskyx

Buff Polaris

Make the bullets bigger. And increase its knock-back.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 10:49

#25

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

From Leoneno

Avoiding polaris is a lot easier than u think, just don't whine about it

I kinda love this sentence... Dunno why

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:53

#26

Neodasus

@Knight-Solaire

Some maps are horribly designed and polaris can take advantage of that.

Take Ramparts for example. One choke point leads to 4 CPs, and that is considerably broken when you think of how easy it is with other maps that have 2-3 more choke points your team could use that leads to the same number of CPs if not more.

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 11:53

#27

Neodasus

delete

[double post please delete]

Sun, 05/12/2013 - 13:56

#28

Megatech

Buff polaris

Make it cause strong shock. And increase the number of clips.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 00:45

#29

Dragonicblaze

Lol, pls dont tell me there r

Lol, pls dont tell me there r ways to dodge a polaris, I know there are. But just see the balance.. how much chaos just ONE guy who uses nothing but polaris BRINGS to the game.. its just outrageous.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 05:45

#30

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

Lol, pls dont tell me there r ways to dodge a polaris, I know there are

Then stop complaining and start dodging, if every striker could dodge Polaris, then nobody would use it cause it would become useless.... but people are to stuck up to change their LD loadout because they are so freaking awesome, it must be Polaris the problem, not them...

Go figure...

Edit: I accomplished Diablo III 1.02 Inferno Belial as a Monk, 1 shot from him would kill me, it took 1 week to tone our strategy and to kill it... Then it got nerfed to the ground and now every single casual gamer can do it... So when people tell me "Polaris is overpowered"... gee yeah right... I remember all those epic fights I did that took 30 minutes to 1 hour of pain-stacking dodging... 1.02 = pre mobs nerf, pre legend buff, pre new legend, pre MP, pre-everything and I still managed to do the impossible and get to Act III Inferno as the 2nd weakest character in the first month it came out...

So if you wanna talk about overpowered brick walls coming at you, I certainly know what your talking about

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 06:12

#31

Burq

Oh man

And threads like these remind me why I hated LD with a passion.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 10:09

#32

Hero-Of-Cheese

Cheese it up!

And that's why I don't play tier 3 LD.Not just because of the polaris, but other things as well.I'm more of a BN sort of guy.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 10:21

#33

Gent-Soopakoopa

NERPH PALERES

Please remove the explosions and reduce the clip size to 1 and get
rid of the shock effect oh yeah and remove the bullets that should make
it balanced.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 11:13

#34

Dragonicblaze

@Shamanala

As u still don't get the point.. See I know there are ways to dodge polaris.. but just how unbalanced 1-2 polaris spammers can make a game is RIDICULOUS.. There just needs to be a balance so just like RSS where all u needed to do is dodge and drop the charged bombs and score great dmg.. here all they do is use their boost to dodge and spam the giant polaris orbs in every direction cloaking them from harm. The shock is also very OP wen the polaris has VH - Ultra dmg on it..

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 12:07

#35

Little-Juances

"The shock is also very OP wen the polaris has VH - Ultra dmg on it.."

Statuses shoudln't get augmented by damage bonuses. Now you're complaining about something that doesn't exist?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 12:09

#36

Sandy-Knight

tbph, 2+ users of any one gun on one chokepoint is unbalanced. For example, Super Blaster in T2. Don't laugh, it's true!

There's a reason why there's always at least 2 or 3 entrances to a CP. If you can't get to that CP, go to another CP. If the entire team is stopping you from getting onto ANY of the CPS all with Polarises:
1. Seriously, is your team in Proto?
2. Dat co-ordination.

Start to think, and if it's still a problem, THEN come onto the forums and whine about it.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 17:17

#37

Dragonicblaze

@Little-Juances

Pls dont be hell bent on looking for things to put down others.. the quote meant that ur immobilized wen u get shock and they spam a whole clip (augmented by the dmg bonuses) right into u possibly killing u or doing a GF combo on u.. /sigh I have to explain these little things so much? I am starting to doubt if u guys even know how t3 LD works :|

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 17:23

#38

Dragonicblaze

@Annon-Troll

Erm.. ur mindset is old, they USED to use polaris ONLY as choke points.. the thing I am whining about is actual SPAM, possibly wearing gunner gear to increase dmg and ASI and riddle the area all around cap points and wherever they walk with those big polaris orbs.. They dont just choke 1 point, they produce a BIG cloak around them with random polaris shots fired in random directions.

This type of random polaris spam makes this polaris gun very overpowered, its just some random trolling that does give their team a huge advantage if the polaris spammers know how to dodge.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 18:44

#39

Terra-Necro

If I see another polaris

If I see another polaris complain thread, I'm going to bash my head into my keyboard =.=

Tons of people hate on the gun, but devs are not doing anything about it. It is better just to keep your hate of it to yourself.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 19:35

#40

Klipik

Why does this happen?

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 03:56

#41

Rogue-Wolf

@Dragonicblaze

From your second-to-last post, you seem to be hating on Shock, not Polaris. Polaris just got dragged into it because it inflicts shock.

They dont just choke 1 point, they produce a BIG cloak around them with random polaris shots fired in random directions.
From a single person, there's 3 shots, max. That's not a cloak. That's a "fire randomly and hope for the best". People just have an idiotic tendency to wander into the giant blue orbs, and act surprised when they get shocked, and thus, cut down.

I'll admit, pure Polaris spamming can be annoying; especially to those with poor connections and weapons not designed to counter guns (aka, other guns). Yet, if you have a good team, Polaris users can be overwhelmed (seriously, it's not a random person throwing brick walls all over the place).

To be fair, if Polaris NEEDS a nerf, I'd recommend removing the shock, and changing the Supernova line to Shadow damage (effectively turning the Pulsar lines into an AoE version of the Antigua lines). Possibly a slight reduction to the damage radius.

Tue, 05/14/2013 - 07:11

#42

Sr-Fists

Polaris to the ground ??

Polaris is one of those weapons which is funny to use and gives the game a new angle. I personally use Polaris extensively and i do it well but it's not that it as a weapon is op it is how i predict my enemies movement in order for them to walk right into my shots thus the weapon is not op and OP weapon is a weapon that can be used by a new player and is able to kill everyone i.e asi max GF with double swings = op. In my opinion Nerf these uvs first and then Nerf Polaris

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 07:14

#43

Redblades

funny
Polaris isn't OP. it's a gun with a different mechanic, and can be used efficiently. it may be "easy to use" but it's also easy to counter.
The bullets are incredibly slow, and you can make use of the "hitstun mechanic" by using valiance/sentenza or any fast gun.
Even as a part-time bomber, I find polaris ridiculously easy to dodge.
I play in chaos set (shock nerf max) and it's not annoying. unless you somehow rolled a chaos shock nerf max set (with 50second 5 bar damage shock), then shock is nothing to be worried about.

Wed, 05/15/2013 - 17:19

#44

Anthrom

¨Shamanala¨ /high five

just Dodge people!

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