Spiral Knights - I didn't want to do this

I didn't want to do this

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Sun, 06/30/2013 - 19:37

Redblades

but I had to.
I created a video demonstrating how AT (auto target) improves your aim for a few weapons
The video also shows how it doesn't do anything for wide ranged weapons.
The video includes scenarios where AT would actually get you killed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACyrXmAVlOo

As you can see from this video, AA helps with NARROW weapons and comboes. such as guns, brandish, FF combo, etc.

It doesn't do JACK (*@#&$ with wide ranged weapons like DA/FAUST, Hammer (exclude dash), flourish first swing, etc..

It MESSES YOU UP in group situations by targeting one person. you will miss like half the group. good luck.

Edit: it also messes you up if you're spreading out POOlaris while capping.

solution = toggle

inb4 feller+contri+spanish mafia go all monkeycrap on me

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 19:39

Grimranger

omg AT noob

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 19:43

Redblades

/wink

:( I didn't know ranger was part of the spanish mafia

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 20:46

Ink-Incorporated

I'm laughing my face off after seeing you that you called them the "Spanish Mafia".

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 21:29

Luguiru

I was certainly not expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 21:31

Fehzor

I thought we made a sub-forum to get rid of you lockdown people...

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 21:33

Draycos

I never asked for this.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 23:36

Klipik-Forum

As long as this thread is here, I will mention that you did not accurately test the flourish swing. You never demonstrated a situation where you would NOT normally hit the target with the swing, only positions that were already within the weapon's range. This test also does not address the effect of auto target in lockdown when attempting to circle an opponent, as a few degrees of correction can make a large difference there.

If you use AT on a moving target, being centered on them when you start your swing gives you a much higher chance to hit them. For example - One player gets the first hit on his target, then circles around to their back for the second swing. But, the player miscalculates and ends up facing perpindicular to his target instead of directly facing him. The player swings and the target moves upwards to dodge. Here's what happens:

No AT: the target moves out of the weapon's range and is not hit.

With AT: the player turns to directly face his target before swinging. The target dodges, but is now still in the range of the weapon and is hit.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 00:12

Canozo

Redblades for pope

also "inb4 feller+contri+spanish mafia go all monkeycrap on me" LOL THEY ARE COMING

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 02:49

Bleyken

+1 to Klipik, AT help noobies to aim when they are moving and it help a lot in 1 vs 1, that's why we dont allow AT in 1 vs 1 tourneys.

@RedblAAdes Noob

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 06:12

#10

Fehzor

I swear to god that we've been over this auto target thing before and that its all you guys ever talk about...

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 06:33

#11

Little-Juances

Que parezca un accidente!

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 07:35

#12

Theirillusion

@OP

You are wrong, all weapons but bombs benefit from AT. Stop acting stupid.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 07:54

#13

Redblades

"I thought we made a sub-forum to get rid of you lockdown people..."
Y U NO LIEK ME :'( T_T T_T T_T_T_T_T_T_T
although this post was MAINLY about lockdown, AT is available throughout the entire game, whether it be in PvE or PvP

@klipik
Fine, lets just say that the attacks are to slow and can be dodged. how about the group situations where it throws off your aim and you end up hitting 1 person instead of 6? then after your combo 5 people just corner you and spam you out.

@fehzor
it's all we talk about because it's all contri and feller care about. they can't keep their mouthes shut so they troll and bash on the subject, while people like myself just laugh at them. We try to make an argument, but then we realise they're too biased to look at another opinion, or even the cold hard facts.

@theirillusion
ooh you saw through my disguise of stupidity >:O
yes, weapons benifit from it. it helps in 1v1 situations, but what about in groups? I don't think anybody likes to combo at only 1 person while the rest of the group murders you.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 08:19

#14

Voza-Il

AT is also needed for

AT is also needed for effective gunning. Unless you are an awesome gunner (Dr-Bugos, aka person who switches alchemers faster than you can shoot an antigua-insane!!), you need AA, or you risk making yourself look like a complete moron while getting destroyed by Pro fencers and sealed sword people.

Helps for hybrids too.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 08:54

#15

Dragneel-Wiki

@Voza-II:

Just for your information: Using AT destroys the ability to land hits with Alchemers. And no, there are handful amount of gunslingers out there that don't use AT, and they outplay Pro Fencers and Sealed Sword people too. And it doesn't need to be awesome to gun effectively.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 09:06

#16

Our-Little-Ajo

This drAAgneel

Proving everyday that doesn't know crap about LD.

Valiance, antigua line, alchemers are like Brandish.. Those weps were made for AT dependants.

Not even the biggest gunner LD have seen, Bighondo was clean of that lame feature.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 10:22

#17

Bleyken

Alchemers no, Valiance and Antigua yes.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 11:13

#18

No-Thanks

wut u guys smokin?

aa is junk on all guns period
the bullets are frickin slow even on antigua lines, ive tryed that once
saying aa is useful on guns is an INSULT to every ld gunner

ill take back my words when a gunner says im wrong but certainly not because of swordies like feller and contri hahahaha

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 11:24

#19

Our-Little-Ajo

Contri

I don't know that guy... But he thinks he's good.. Search in Google about him...

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 16:32

#20

Redblades

"Valiance, antigua line, alchemers are like Brandish.. Those weps were made for AT dependants."

I didn't see your beloved polaris flourish and faust on that list. I wonder why hmmmmm?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 17:01

#21

Virtuewis

Be excellent to one another

I haven't turned AA back on since i found the option to turn it off way back when i started. I can see how it would help some people, but when i valiance, AP, etc, I don't feel the necessity at all... It just seems to get in my way. Thanks OP for that interesting vid.

One more thing: I may not use AA ever, but if I considered myself a "pro" LD player, I wouldn't really care what anyone else was using. If it's in the game, then there's nothing to complain about, except for excuses I guess.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 17:17

#22

Zeddy

@Redblades

Because none of those weapons require aiming. "Pro aiming skill" is apparently all about using weapons that don't need to be aimed.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 17:30

#23

Atacii

...

AA gunning. LOL

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 17:54

#24

Canozo

om nom nom

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 18:11

#25

Ink-Incorporated

Summarization of a typical Lockdown player's opinion on auto aim -

You toggled a small option that everyone can use so you have godlike powers.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 18:29

#26

Geoflyer

I just like to know that im

I just like to know that im aiming and getting the kills that i get. :/
Not saying that people with aa on dont deserve their kills i just dont like it myself.

But dont just start yelling at people using it its there choice. Keep LD fun :D

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 19:51

#27

Misten

AA gunning so hilarious.

Tip: AA aim where your target was. Target usually move away from that spot.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 20:15

#28

Klipik-Forum

+1 Misten

It does work very well for Antiguas though, since the bullets travel so fast.

@Red: this isn't about what AT doesn't do, it's about how AT can put you at an advantage in certain situations, especially toggled. I don't deny that it may be detrimental in some situations, but you don't have to have it on all the time to have an advantage. Also, I noticed something about your Polaris test - it's also inaccurate. You said:

"I didn't see your beloved polaris flourish and faust on that list. I wonder why hmmmmm?"

Well, for polaris at least, it is unaffected by AT at range. Sure, it might correct from maybe 2 squares away, but it loses the correction before the bullets can get to their expanded form.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 21:34

#29

Redblades

@klipik sadly it IS about

@klipik
sadly it IS about what AT doesn't do

contri and feller think that it gives you magical powers and DESTROYS EVERYTHING IN ITS PATH (although feller claims to be the best ld player ever and can defeat the magical AT power)

also, many time before I started not using AT, when I'm capping and somebody tries to come, my polaris direction is altered even from REALLY far. it actually MESSED ME UP and allowed other players to get through my polaris wall.. -1 for AT.. again.

I'll continue on my statement

"Valiance, antigua line, alchemers are like Brandish.. Those weps were made for AT dependants."

why do you think that? why is flourish, faust and polaris not on your list?
is it because you use those weapons, and they're magically CLEANSED from the powers (and noobiness) of AT?
No, it's because you've USED them, and you know what you're talking about (at least for those weapons). You know that AT doesn't matter that much while you use those weapons.

Lets start with valiance
Valiance is a mid speed gun, that shoots up to 3 bullets before reload.
mid... speed... gun....
sure, it may help when people are dumb enough to CHARGE STRAIGHT AT YOU. However, you have to stand still for AT to affect your shot. standing still = bad. bad bad bad bad bad.

have you tried AT gunning a valiance while people move perpendicular to your shooting? clearly not if you think you can use AT on valiance.

Lets head on to antigua line
yeah whatever, I'll give you this one, since the bullets are fast enough to hit people (albeit dumb people)

Next, alchemers
yeahh... sure
a gun that shoots 2 bullets.. slow moving bullets.. AT will TOTALLY help that right? (sarcasm)

You saying that alchemers benefit from AT just proves my point. you have no idea what you're talking about, you're just flaming and trolling (although successfully).

try out some other weapons, take out your asi vh uvs, take out your "1 mil ce skolver". really, try it out.

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@canozo you suck

@zeddy exactly. "OMG AT IS SO NOOB. IT HELPS WEAPONS THAT ARE HARD TO USE! IMMA SPAM A EASY TO USE WEAPON WITHOUT AT AND BE SUPERPROAWESOME"

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this fAAllAAr. proving he doesn't know anything about LD
even the nooby AT dependant spammer redblAAdes mayor LD player knows more den u. trolololololololololo

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:14

#30

No-Thanks

ema Pwe

2x calling people dumb
1x that thing "@username you suck" (LOL)
screaming for edit

and the indirectly cussing language... really belongs into colusseum (:

not that id step a foot inside that place, but at least thats what i expect there to be

/e pours slippery oil on himself to escape the tight grips of the screaming gladiators.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:03

#31

Toyoti

Auto Aim = Noob , todos los que usan auto aim no saben jugar porque no juegan ustedes mismos con su propio aim la maquina les ayuda es injusto porque es como si en un juego shooter alguien usa aimbot -.-'

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:27

#32

Klipik-Forum

Sigh

Holy [redacted], guys, can we not have a legitimate discussion for FIVE [redacted]ING MINUTES without everyone lobbing insults, sarcasm, and [redacted]tons of ~^,@ing !^¥¥\€*# 💢💥✨💀💢💩💥💀 hate at each other? Seriously. Calm the [wowIcursetoomuchwhenI'mangry] down and Just. Freaking. Discuss.

It's not that hard.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:30

#33

Fehzor

Actually, Team Feller has a pretty good point.

Except the fundamental problem is that half of the weapons that rely on auto target are part of the fundamental balance of the game, and trump several strategies that are not "auto target strategies". Specifically bombs. The problem with this is that in lockdown the only bombs that really work well with the style of the game are the haze bombs, which are bipassed by people wearing tripple max skolver sets.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:24

#34

Bleyken

@Klipik Noob

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 03:09

#35

Theirillusion

Gunning good is not a matter of AT, because bullets have to travel through air and the target can dodge/move. Gunning "good" is all about spamming bullets aka area denial.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 06:00

#36

Jamie-Laannister

?_?

Why doesn't OOO simply remove AT? Then even PVE would become more of a challenge.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 06:11

#37

Fehzor

@Samobscmed
Go click the link that I posted.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 06:40

#38

Ink-Incorporated

I'd be fine if Three Rings removed auto target. I don't want to hurt the people that use auto target, but it can make Lockdown a little more harmonious even though it wouldn't be completely peaceful. We still have a long way...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:21

#39

Ninja-Gyles

@contri

If tanking with heart trinkets, spending millions on UV's, being a skolver clone, and useing AT and calling other people who use it noobs...I would be proud to be a noob.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 08:49

#40

Bleyken

@Ninja-Gyles

1-I don't spend millions on UV's, I'm a good scammer
2-I use Skolver Clone Gear in 1 match of every 50
3-I don't use AT, I only use "Ruby or AAequitas Mode" sometimes for trolling.
4-I don't tank with Heart Trinkets
5-Who are you?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:03

#41

Ninja-Gyles

@Contri

1-You are proud of being a scammer?
2-O.K. Good to know
3-Why don't I believe that?
4-What do you call that video with the Shock-Greaver arena? Zeddy said it himself. :/
5-<<<- I am "Ninja-Gyles"

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:09

#42

Redblades

I have a question for you AT haters.
AT is part of the game. it's free, you don't have to pay to use it. why don't you use it?
Because it's for noobs? what about your asi and uv's? "oh I don't need them im 2 pro stfu".
well all AT users "don't need them cuz they're too pro stfu noob spamer"

AT is part of the game, so are uv's and so are heart pendants. you use 2 of 3.
those 2 of 3 are p2w. so now you're PAYING to be "pro" and yet you complain about "noob features"?

"I don't spend millions on UV's"
LOL SURE. I dont have a single very high UV. not a single one. Oh wait I forgot my GREMLIN VERY HIGH VOLTEDGE.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:53

#43

Ink-Incorporated

/applaud Redblades

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:16

#44

Ninja-Gyles

@Redblades

I don't hate AT by any means. I don't like hypocrites, like Contri. I use AT on my cutter all the time AT makes my cutter much easier to use-it is almost impossible to use in PvP without it.

/applaud Redblades

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:14

#45

Bleyken

Yes, I'm a noob and an

Yes, I'm a noob and an hypocrite... I need AT... I can't yawn without AT..... I should join AAequitas....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:24

#46

Theirillusion

AT is no where near UVs or trinkets. AT is replacement for actually playing the game.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 15:54

#47

Our-Little-Ajo

Damn, I haven't read this crap in a while

1.- I didn't mention FF or GF for a simple reason, they have a wider range, not like Brandish that need the same accouracy of a Leviathan. AT is needed or you will fail.

2.- I currently use ancient and a kat mask, is been a year since I don't wear my million CE skolver.

3.- Contri is a homosapien sapien, that means he doesn't need womans to reproduce.

4.- Did I read bad or some guy call himself a pro LD player??? Seriously???

5.- We need a lobby, but if we have a no-AT option I'll play alone or with just 4 more people...

6.- Mayor LD player, I like u, don't abuse of that.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:27

#48

Redblades

"AT is no where near UVs or trinkets. AT is replacement for actually playing the game."
not sure if troll or stupid. or both. probably both

"I didn't mention FF or GF for a simple reason, they have a wider range, not like Brandish that need the same accouracy of a Leviathan. AT is needed or you will fail."
exactly. you're using a EASY TO USE weapon, and then call people who use the HARDER TO USE weapons "noobs"

"I currently use ancient and a kat mask, is been a year since I don't wear my million CE skolver."
yeah, the kat mask ONLY costs 20kce. don't worry about it..

"We need a lobby, but if we have a no-AT option I'll play alone or with just 4 more people.."
I completely agree with you there

"Mayor LD player, I like u, don't abuse of that."
and I love you. I want to be in ur pants. I want to live in ur pants.. I can still disagree with you though. I'll also make sure I look FABULOUS while I disagree with people.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:54

#49

Gent-Soopakoopa

POOlaris?

I want a POOlaris.

Does split normal and shadow damage, fires brown pulsar shots which have a fair
chance of inflicting moderate poison, except instead of looking like energy balls the
shots are brown, opaque reskins of the water globs.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:55

#50

Gent-Soopakoopa

Single post?

I want a single post.

Is single.