Please, you have hardly any content to preoccupy us. Farming these kats will give us something to do. Plus, it would be fun to find them in the clockworks every so often. Decrease the droprates of Black Kats, but seriously. Don't remove them! This is ridiculous. I can't play all day, every day for 7 days straight to get a book. I have a life too, and homework to boot. It is unfair for players that aren't hardcore/nolives. I've wasted hours grinding for them, and I only have acquired 14 pages (even though I did the prestige mission). And a book drop? Ha, not happening at this rate.
Please keep Black Kats ingame (if only for the casuals that can't grind all day for a week).
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 14:09
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 14:17
#2
Yeah, well, there's just to
Yeah, well, there's just too many freeze stratums. You knuckleheads wouldn't really care, either way =__=
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 15:47
#3
For crying out loud, ONE WEEK A YEAR isn't enough time for ANYTHING! Why can't they make it last all month like every other event? It'll take me until 2015 to get a single cat hiss cowl at this rate...
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:35
#4
Yeah
Some of us don't have an entire week to grind without stopping. We have lives, too.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:48
#5
Such is life.
If you train towards say.. a sports game.
You train 1 day a week, and your opponent trains a whole week straight.
You can't go around asking for 6 more weeks to catch up to them at the game.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:52
#6
Yeah, so the people with lives can look up to the ascended ones that sit about playing Spiral Knights all day?
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:55
#8
Feyi-feyi, that comparison
Feyi-feyi, that comparison makes no sense at all.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 16:58
#9
@ Fehzor
That is not relevant. There's a set of rules set by OOO: within those rules everyone is free to do as he/she pleases.
@Parker. It does.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 17:08
#10
i think what the OP is
i think what the OP is talking about is that people (a lot of people) who don't have the time to dedicate to this 'week' will be missing out, or won't even have time to get 1 piece of event goods.
so either extend it or make it permanent so it's a bit more balanced.
and what feyi is saying, is the the rules apply equally to everyone, which makes it fair.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 17:17
#11
You're right in saying I'm for equality. The catch being: I'm for equality at the basis, meaning the rules are set equally for everyone.
This however does not have to mean the rewards need to be equal.
Those people grinding a whole week are at a different point in their lives, enabling them to do it.
They can put in more effort, thus reap more rewards.
You didn't do the same thing as they did, so there is no need for you to receive the same benefits.
Before you think I'm one of those people grinding: I can't even access the game.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 17:35
#12
@Feyi
"Such is life.
If you train towards say.. a sports game.
You train 1 day a week, and your opponent trains a whole week straight.
You can't go around asking for 6 more weeks to catch up to them at the game."
What... You are comparing a video game to real life hobbies? You think that we should dedicate just as much time to a hobby as to a video game? Also, unlike sports, you can play whenever. Real life isn't like "Oh, you'll be able to play soccer for a week! What's that? You can't play as much this week? Well, tough luck, you'll get to play next year". Life doesn't work like that, and therefore you cannot compare. How exactly is it beneficial to waste an entire week of grinding on a video game to obtain an item? People that are in that "stage of life" where they become stinky, jobless Otaku's? Silly baka, nobody wants to be that guy.
Yes, the rules apply equally to everyone, but it certainly doesn't make it fair. Nolives have the time to waste their entire week, and I honestly don't know how they do it. Single, alone and jobless, perhaps? Either way, that isn't the case with most. We have lives, we have classes to attend, and honestly I couldn't be bothered to waste an entire week just to have a slim chance to be able to get an item before time runs out. It is far too stressful and really removes the whole point from the game, which is to have fun. Some people can forget that.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 17:42
#13
@Venomoushiohazard
More effort= more rewards. You can play at a fun casual pace, but you won't get all the "good stuff" fast. Most MMORPGs are like this. You can grind to get your top quality gear or you can play casually and get them at a slower pace. Kats should remain as an event because the gear it gives you is special. If the Kats stay, then everyone would have it and it won't be really special. There's a reason why there's events, to reward items you usually dont get normally. If you are playing casually, then why do you even care? You can always get different helmet or just get as many pages you can get and wait for the next event since you play casually and not in a hurry.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 17:44
#14
Venomous
I'm doubting wether to explain again..
#1 Video games are a real life hobby to some. Not to me, but to some. How you handle that fact is totally up to you
#2 Real life works exactly like that. It's a matter of time and resources put in.
Oh you can't hand in your assignment next weak? Try next year. It's a matter of where you put your focus.
You don't want to waste a week of grinding, others do.
#3 Those are facts to you, this promo wasn't made to your specifications.
If you can't have your fun without that item that's once again personal.
Last of all: I'm not baka, neither am I that 'nolife' you imply. I'm a college student in the middle of exams, with no acces to the game.
Only difference is I can accept missing out, and that people who put in more effort earn more rewards.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 17:54
#15
@venom
why can't you compare a video game to a real life hobby? and aren't video games real life hobbies as well?
of course you can compare them. both teams have the same time to train, if one team has other commitments and doesn't train as much as the other that doesn't make it not fair.
yes we all understand people have responsibilities and other life commitments. Job, family, friends and clubs etc...
but having the rules apply equally to everyone is the DEFINITION of fair.
there is another word I think you're looking for? justice? maybe?
that's when you treat people to their needs
like how you wouldn't expect a kid to join the army, or a why disabled people get special parking spots.
not everything that is fair is just and not everything that is just is fair.
sometimes there are things that are just and fair. like this event.
noone is at an advantage over any other people, and this being a video game is a luxury and not a necessity.
but it is bad game design to not cater for the majority of the players.
if it takes several events for the majority of players to earn 1 item, people will get angry and frustrated at the game.
and angry and frustrated people tend not to spend money
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 17:59
#16
@OP
I agree. I just started
@OP
I agree. I just started school, looking for colleges. Also, tge nolife term ICOMPLETELY agree with because there aren't "play video games all day and become some loner that never gets any" careers in college. Plus it doesn't make a lot of money unless you become a producer. And besides, 99.9999 percent of people on this game are NOT g4m3r5 4 life. This game is not by any means a hardcore game (well, tryhards in lockdown, but thats a different story), so making updates for casual gamers is only logical.
@Feyi
You can't really compare a silly game to something as awesome as training for a race. Game = something to pass time. Running = something to get self stisfaction out of, with real rewards of looking awesome and being healthy. The differences are too vast for a comparison. I do understand the underlying point that the more time you put into something, the more you will get out of it. But you already know all this, seeing as you are a responsible college student, and assumedly have a life. Getting hooked on this game when you are young is a sure way to fail at both girls and school. Do
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And since most of the population here are people under 22ish, they probably would rather suck at, say, lockdown, but still want to enjoy the game.
^If anyone understands that logic, I applaud you, since I explained it very poorly. In essence, I am agreeing with VenemousBio (you are still EPIC XDD) that a casual game should have casual updates. Its not CoD people.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 18:04
#17
I'm tired of writing long
I'm tired of writing long answers to simple questions.
If it's a casual thing to you, then don't expect anything but casual.
As for the rest of your post: So much meaningless generalizations, and unsupported 'facts'.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 18:04
#18
@Broxaim
Dude....those last
@Broxaim
Dude....those last three sentences are so true. But people have tried to tell OOO this for ages. They WILL not listen. Don't waste your energy writing atuff that the intended audience won't read :/
It sucks....
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 18:09
#19
it's not like everything is
it's not like everything is poorly designed...
this one might be, but they could be a bit conservative testing the waters with no more mist.
i have a feeling that the will patch it to increase spawn rates or another way of obtaining ancient pages.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 18:26
#20
@Feyi
Still doesnt excuse
@Feyi
Still doesnt excuse that extremely poorly thought out comparison. And I do know games can be profitable, but only on the producer side really.
OOO is game producer. We are game cojsumers.
They get money for making such an awesome start, but are unable to improve substantially.
Us consumers get practice with how to use ebay in a way, and meet other people's avatars. Nothing tangible or productive doing that. The oly benefit is entertainment. And too much entertainment in any case doesnt really lead to anything great, and people like Venemousbio are obviously aiming at doing something great, which puts them in the "life" category of people.
And for people who make money playing this.....that is pretty sweet, not gonna lie or make idiotic comparisons to blasting off to mars, or tge like.
Making OOO cater more to the VAST majority of players (OBVIOUSLY casual, or you would see a ton more peopke with expensive stuff), they might make more money. Finding the right balance between catering to us lazy casual gamers and the elite mode dragonlord 1337 gamers is what will most likely produce the most customer satisfaction, and therefore revenue. Customer satisfaction is what we are trying to get at, right?
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 18:44
#21
Trying real hard not to sigh; guess i'll have to explain it the long way.
First within this comparison there are metaphors. The week you have till the game is the time the event lasts, the game itself is when the event ends.
The two teams represent people with time to grind, and those without it. Both work up towards the end of the event in their own way.
It is not a poorly thought out comparison, it is you neglecting that that comparison could have been made with numerous examples regardless from
how much you value them in real life.
Also: your demographics are way off. the 'VAST majority of players (OBVIOUSLY' is actually around 15 years old and has summer holidays atm.
There is no elite mode dragonlord 1337 gamers needed. There are those without time, and those with.
Your slinging of terms towards those people (if they even exist in SK) does not help your case, nor does it make your post more trustworthy.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 18:47
#22
@Soulstaker
To rectify the "not special enough" argument, OOO could keep the Kats ingame but make them quite uncommon-only a little bit less rare than a love puppy. Not only does that keep the Kat hats "special" but also gives the casuals a chance (albeit a small chance) of earning the Kat Hats. At this point, we have barely any content in SK to keep us busy, no special enemies that you could look forward to, save the love puppies, mewkats, and soul jellies, but hey. They don't exactly offer much in form of content. They've already been there for years. Having a unique, interesting, and challenging enemy is a breath of fresh air in a game that stagnates in the variation of enemies. A breath of fresh air until you realize that you can only fight this enemy for only one week a year. In a game that hasn't given us new enemies, save for disappointing and really, really cheap enemies (dust bunnies and scarabs being an example).
It isn't even really about the items at that point. They are removing a "new" enemy, and we desperately need new enemies now. Just... Just make them rare, make them drop less pages, don't let them drop books... Whatever. The game needs them for variety, variety that honestly I haven't seen in a few years.
@Feyi-Feyi
#1 What are you even trying to get at here? Even those with hobbies can't play all the time. Hobbies are what they are, hobbies. You can't be expected to be only doing whatever your hobby is for an entire week without taking a break. Hobbies are for free time, not all time. That is a job. Games aren't supposed to be a job, they are supposed to be fun, and I'll stick to that fact.
#2 I thought this game was a game , not a job. If a game becomes a job, not a hobby/game meant for fun, then it contradicts what a game is supposed to be. Now this game is an assignment? Oh joy, what fun! I'll work... For FUUUUN! Great. Remember that the number of people who can get one of these hats/books is quite low. Also, remember that a large percentage of players aren't hardcore at all. I spend 3-4 hours on this game per day (which is far too much) but I'll probably never get a 5* Kat hat nor a book. Ridiculous! I'm what most would consider "hardcore" but I'm not getting any of those items anytime soon. The effort to reward ratio is ridiculously skewed.
#3 As I said, grinds that have a time limit and require most, if not all, of your time, isn't fun. It just becomes work. I think most people would agree with me.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 18:53
#23
I'm done.
You keep projecting personal desires on a promo not created to fit your personal desires.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 19:06
#24
Pretend I wrote something clever here
I'm on the upper end of casual as far as average playtime goes, and even I'm wondering if this event will be worth attempting. I don't mind spending months searching for an illusive item, but spending years is quite another matter. This game is, at its core, about gear and equipment. Having some items be rare or even unattainable to all but a few (like accessories and costumes) is one thing. Having a useful item is less so, especially if its a one-of-a-kind (the only reason I'm fine with the Darkfang shield being so rare is that it has virtually the same stats as the Owlite). The Cowls are the only items of their type in this game, and making them outright impossible to obtain for the vast majority of the player base is a cruel thing (especially given how many collectors play this game). If you want to reward very active players (aka people with no life), given them a unique vanity or some other token that they can show off (like the Darkfang), but give the rest of us a chance to get our hands on the cowls and other such gear. At least give us the chance to buy them (like we can with just about every other item in this game), or maybe a recolored version with the same stats so that the ultra ultra ultra hardcore players don't complain.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 19:19
#25
Feyi, the problem is that the
Feyi, the problem is that the game is AIMED AT CASUALS. How do I know this? Look at how much easier SK is than it was 2 years ago. In fact, this very update upped the drop of vitapods! Casuals can do almost nothing with a one-week event.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 19:50
#26
It isn't just the casuals, Mobott
I spend 3-4 hours per day on the game, and I still am wondering whether I should attempt grinding for these pages.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 20:10
#27
These items are not meant to
These items are not meant to be obtained by everyone. They are meant to be seen as signs of prestige. You can't expect to have everything in an MMO when they are designed to get people to play for as long as possible.
It's like going to an amusement park. The ride you really want to go on has a 2 hour line, but you have to leave in an hour. Do you complain to the head of the amusement park that you didn't have enough time to wait for the ride?
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 20:42
#28
.
Don't expect to get enough tokens to get a hat in one event cycle, it says right in the even post made by Nick "Acquiring all the Kat gear will likely take multiple events"
So eh, getting mad that you can't casually get the hats immediately? Well you're not supposed to be able to get the hats immediately, they're event items that are supposed to require some work.
(That said, it feels like it'd take years to get enough tokens to fully level up a hat, maybe I'm unlucky, but other than the 4 tokens from the mission I haven't gotten any others cause I haven't found any black kats. On mission tokens alone it'd take 10+ events to level up a single hat to 5* which does seem a little bit overly harsh given it's a rarely happening event).
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 21:11
#29
@Feyi-Feyi
I think its high time those people that exist and move about IRL pay their righteous due to we the true Spiral Knights- those of us that don't go anywhere or do anything but eat, sleep, and fight our way to the core! They think they're so swell, going about doing things and having a good time with actual people... but what about us, the ones that don't exist outside of Spiral Knights?
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 21:33
#30
there's just no reasoning
there's just no reasoning with people
how about we settle with everyone is right except three rings
since it seems that's what everyone wants to think....
damned if you do and damned if you don't
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 21:40
#31
@Broxaim
No one is ever right except the people that play the game all day. This is because they have put more effort into the game and less effort into their lives, which makes them more right than anyone else when talking about the game.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 21:53
#32
oh .. so close..
i only spend
oh .. so close..
i only spend 23 hours and 59 minutes play this game every day...
i guess i don't have a say then
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 22:00
#33
"What... You are comparing a
"What... You are comparing a video game to real life hobbies? You think that we should dedicate just as much time to a hobby as to a video game?"
oOo i dont feel like playing spiral knights this week, but jeeeeeeze, i really do want one of those kat hats. mmmmm hey three rings do you think you could like give me one of those kat hats, just for logging onto the game for 5minutes, everyday? please? no effort to get any of these limited edition rare gear? pleeeease? perrty please with little hearts on them? i know that they are rare and limited edition, but just make it so that i dont have to work my butt for them you know? it would be soooo nice, just let me log onto the game for 5 minutes for a week straight, and send it to me via the spiral treasury gifting it to me from mail.
many thanks,
bushido (sarcasm)
I like to consider myself as a casual player. People have different interests and qualities. As for me, I am a writer. I like to express my creativity and imagination through words, and I enjoy reading other people's work. Video Games offer a lot of creativity; there is plenty of imagination to grasps from virtual games. It all depends on your understanding and comprehension on what you think something is. Venemous, you're probably thinking that games and TV shows are probably stuff designed for you to watch and play, and that's all there is to it. There is more to the media than simply to entertain people.
The media wasn't created to please you; to satisfy your boredom. Games and Television shows are things created by real people who wish to to make their imagination into a reality. If you were an artist, writer, game designer; a creator of something who wishes to make their imagination into a reality, then you would understand better where I am getting at.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 22:13
#34
@Fehzor
I would have just refrained from posting again on this thread but because it's you:
I don't judge. I don't care wether someone plays the game 24/7 or logs once a month.
They're both SK players I value the same.
They just shouldn't expect the same, only difference.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 22:13
#35
I'll be honest
I'd like to see the Kats just like any regular rare spawn outside of the event, but that's probably not going to happen. My main issue with the event is that they don't spawn enough, and unlike every other event that they've had, they don't have say their own special rooms where you can obtain tokens from respectively. Prestige mission isn't enough since you need 11 more T3 Kats anyways if you want any hope in obtaining something from the event that isn't the special cap.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 22:38
#36
@Feyi
I care.
In fact, I discriminate against the "casual" players and shoot them with a fire hose/oppress them when they try to ride the city bus in the front part or when they try to vote.
For they are the lesser player, and should be treated as such.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 22:42
#37
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 22:42
#38
The Gauntlet
Since there is no undead spectrums, I am going to do the gauntlet to see if I can find Black Kats. Sucks it is has fiends and the Black Kats should be permant.
Wed, 08/21/2013 - 23:15
#39
"What... You are comparing a
"What... You are comparing a video game to real life hobbies? You think that we should dedicate just as much time to a hobby as to a video game?"
http://www.gamespot.com/news/us-government-recognizes-league-of-legends-...
Whatever you enjoy doing can be a hobby. For some people it is video games, others sports, etc etc.
Would post more, but I have to head to work. So I'll probably post more later on.
~Gwen
They would fit in Candlestick keep levels.