Spiral Knights - black kat farming method (added a video)

black kat farming method (added a video)

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Fri, 08/23/2013 - 14:01

Apace

edit: added a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVMl13RTc4M

im pretty lazy so i didnt bother posting till now. figured out a pretty neat way to farm - told my guildmate and he said it works well.

you can do it with friends or alts (probably better to do it with alts as only one player can profit out of this)

1.you basically start a full party (3 friends or 3 alts)
start the depth together (depth 18 candlesticks, alone in the darkness... etc)

2.when you spot a black kat, all players or your alts should go solo.

3.fight the kat, then get your friends/alts to invite you -> fight kat -> invite etccc
you end up receiving 3 pages + another 9 from friends/alts
3 more chances for a book to be dropped too

4. i luv hippos

goodluck sexy knights

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 14:05

Warranty-Is-Voided

well

I don't think it's going to work. I tried that when I spotted an impostocube. going solo would make whole parties (if you have 3 alts) restricted.

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 14:07

Batabii

Um it doesn't work that way. Besides, don't you think OOO would consider that an exploit?

Even if the party WASNT restricted, many people have stated that you don't get the tokens if you werent there when the black kat SPAWNED, much less if it's already dead when you join.

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 14:19

Apace

i wouldnt of bothered posting

i wouldnt of bothered posting it if it didnt work lol
it doesnt work if you invite as you spotted the rare mob. it only works if you started the lobby together then spotted it.

i dont really see it as an exploit. you still need to find a kat. some people used to carry alts in runs. you put in effort for the drops

im just offering a solution to the bunch of sexy knights who are having a hard time farming, no need to say it doesnt work if you dont wana try it =D

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 15:10

Batabii

it doesnt work if you invite as you spotted the rare mob. it only works if you started the lobby together then spotted it.

3.fight the kat, then get your friends/alts to invite you -> fight kat -> invite etccc

These statements contradict each other.
If you go solo, then they invite you, you shouldn't get any of the pages because you don't get tokens unless you were invited BEFORE it spawned.

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 15:30

Sweet-Hope

Pretty sure once everyone leaves the party, the party gets locked and the ones who hit on "go solo" also get their party blocked.. so i dont think they can join to their fellow friends from the first party

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 15:58

Apace

its so simple and works yet

its so simple and works yet you guys wana debate it.

sweet-hope, provided you do the first step it wont restrict

batabii, no offense but why cant you read the whole thing rather than just one step. its different if you go solo when you go down the ele together as a party

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 16:10

Mohandar

So you are saying Black Kat

So you are saying Black Kat spawns are predetermined when that instance loads, am I reading you correctly?

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 16:54

Root-Beer-Float

lmao at some of you

@Mohander
I can see how you would get that out of juicy's explanation, but it's not what he is saying. They are not predetermined. Once you see the kat THEN you go solo.

And for everyone saying this doesn't work. TRY IT FIRST before you look stupid (no offense). It DOES work.

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 16:56

Kraanx

what the hell, man, are you

what the hell, man, are you stupid? i'm gonna slap you so hard for that stupid theory, you little noob.

i mean, how on earth can you love hippos, you freak?!

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 17:59

#10

Apace

kraanx, why are you so kinky

kraanx, why are you so kinky bro? slaps dont turn me on

added a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVMl13RTc4M

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 18:06

#11

Sweet-Hope

i tested it: it works.

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 18:31

#12

Tutajkk

I don't get it.

After going solo with the alt, how didn't the party got restricted for the alt?

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 18:33

#13

Root-Beer-Float

@Tutajkk It doesn't restrict

@Tutajkk
It doesn't restrict if the party joins lobby and goes down the elevator together.. that's the key. It's been the same way every event.

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 20:21

#14

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

Let me get this straight.

Our guild farmed Kat event like a mofo last time... We ran each on our side the 8-1 mission alone to invite guildmates when we spotted a kat (or when the loot drop afterwards). We would leave alts onto pre-found kat to join another member that found a kat, load, while loading getting an ok signal from voice to then open social to join another alt, that I would wait to gather tokens to then head back to MY OWN alt that I left with another BK.

You are slow, these methods cannot work now as if you don't see the kat spawn, there is no loot, new looting system = party speed run

Just speed run with a mask/sera lvl 100 combo, sera ult shield is awesome, I pick up keys while walking onto spikes. Sera ftw ^ ^

PvE guild farming PvE stuff is kinda easy....

Edit: Oh and btw, you can be in MSI VH now... for dat speed-run = phenomenal

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 20:34

#15

Apace

no offense shamanala. read it

no offense shamanala. read it properly or even watch the video

thanks for posting your feedback sweet-hope =D

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 20:34

#16

Mohandar

This is interesting news,

This is interesting news, because previously, joining a party where a kat had already spawned did NOT net you tokens. Did they stealth patch something in the update, or is this some weird loophole?

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 20:38

#17

Apace

more of a loophole

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 20:40

#18

Sweet-Hope

No, its differnet joining in the same group you joined from start than joining a group that already found a kat but you wasnt in that group.

its hard to me to explain but lets say that since you are joining to the same group you start from the lobby you still get the "same reward" from your group. always if the "monster" its alive in the moment you leave and return. thats why the token stays when you join again to your group. errhm kinda hard to me to explain but maybe someone can explain it better.

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 20:42

#19

Feyi-Feyi

I do think you should report this.

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 20:57

#20

Doitytoityalt

Wow

I like how the Kat was RIGHT at the arsenal station. datluck

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 21:10

#21

Calmingbreeze

Loophole sounds a awful lot like exploit abuse. I think I would take Feyi-Feyi's advice on this.

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 21:23

#22

Feyi-Feyi

I'd report it myself but the https://www.spiralknights.com/support/#mail doesn't seem to work for me.

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 21:50

#23

Grimranger

The two reasons people thing this wouldn't work are apparently:
1. Your party gets locked when you go solo
Explanation: You join at mission lobby or D18. You go solo the NEXT level.

2. You don't get tokens/the book unless you're there when it spawns
Explanation: UM, you WERE there when it spawned. Even if you left the party or other people went solo, you were still there when it spawned.

I just repeated what he said.

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 22:42

#24

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

Your party get locked down after a 2nd kick/leaving player.

You can only farm the same kat twice.

How is this a loophole? Plus it only works for YOU, if someone hasn't been there when the original kat has spawned, you won't get tokens either. Broken methods with broken mechanics, work twice... yes.

That's all... I've been testing out the boundaries of this method and while it may work quite nice. You can only farm the same kat TWICE. Which is not the best farming method... To drag an alt until you find a kat... not really productive if you ask me (although I can make it work quite nice).

Not ground breaking, no loophole either. You haven't tested your glitch properly haven't you?

Edit: And I'll even add this edit. 1 person out of a party of 4 can get 4 times BK. If you can use your brains at least.... but according to this Thread you fail at doing so... That's the most "efficient" way to farm... I guess?

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 22:50

#25

Apace

shamanala, seriously?i just

shamanala, seriously?
i just used one alt to prove the concept. you can farm it 2 extra times provided you have 2 additional alts which went solo.
what is there to test? it works

feyi-feyi/calmingbreeze, if you wana report, go for it. chances are they already know

Doitytoityalt, =D

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 22:55

#26

Apace

@shamanla's edit, please read

@shamanla's edit, please read carefully.

'3 more chances for a book to be dropped too'

Fri, 08/23/2013 - 23:27

#27

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

you end up receiving 3 pages + another 9 from friends/alts

Totally not what you are saying right now

more of a loophole

What loophole?

You mean leaving then inviting? you mean that single loop?

It's not efficient, that's what I'm saying... not a good method to farm kat... move along...

Edit: also.... 3.fight the kat, then get your friends/alts to invite you -> fight kat -> invite etccc have you tried this yourself? lol cause it does not work that way... I'm pointing towards the hole into the methods you are giving, whether you wanna patch those hole or acknowledge them is another story. Point is, you can only farm it twice with 1 alt, 4 times with 4 ppl willing to let you gather more tokens then they do. Most of the time they will say no... except if you have a good team and can track who has 4 times and get to split it perfectly, but you should better run along w/o alts anyway... much faster...

@ Extrajuicybits yeah seriously... it does not work the way you are telling it

Edit 2: So your idea of common farming is draggin 3 alts, am I getting this correctly?? that's literally what you are saying, drag 3 alts to gather 3 times more tokens in 3 times the amount of time it takes... Kinda beat the purpose doesn't it?

Sat, 08/24/2013 - 03:11

#28

Terra-Necro

@Shamala

No, he meant get 3 alts, invite to your party, KILL THEM ALL, zoom through the level with your main character without killing monsters unless necessary, and then have the alts go solo when you do find one. That is NOT 3 times the amount of time it takes.

Sat, 08/24/2013 - 03:22

#29

Krakob

Pretty sure this should count as an exploit.

Sat, 08/24/2013 - 04:11

#30

Zeddy

The method works. Just did this with my guild. Everyone involved gets pages for as many times as they kill a kat.

For a full party, it turns 12 pages (one kat in a party of 4) into 30.

Sat, 08/24/2013 - 05:20

#31

Apace

shamanala, if you think it

shamanala, if you think it doesnt work or isnt efficient then dont use it

Sat, 08/24/2013 - 06:26

#32

Grimranger

jeez, does shamanala have brain problems?

Sat, 08/24/2013 - 06:56

#33

Azn-Life

Wait a Min...

I thought OOO had an update a long time ago where you can't do that anymore.
The update was to prevent people from farming Arenas,Jelly Farm II,etc.
I don't know what your thinking,but it shouldn't work.

Sat, 08/24/2013 - 08:03

#34

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

I thought OOO had an update a long time ago where you can't do that anymore.
The update was to prevent people from farming Arenas,Jelly Farm II,etc.
I don't know what your thinking,but it shouldn't work.

Exactly... I used to leave an alt at the begining of an arena to join it then go solo, clean the arena and rejoin/releave to maximize profit into arena... I know a lot of people who does it.

And regardless of it, you can only farm the same kat a maximum of 4 times.

All I'm arguing against is this:

more of a loophole

and this

fight the kat, then get your friends/alts to invite you -> fight kat -> invite etccc

It isn't a loophole, it stops at 4 times for 1 knights, 3 times for another 1, twice for another and once for 1 too. It isn't an exploit nor a glitch. If it were a glitch you could farm it 100X plus time...

That's all I'm saying and people keep derping me into "nah this work"

did I say it did not work?

Broken methods with broken mechanics, work twice... yes.

It's not efficient, that's what I'm saying... not a good method to farm kat... move along...

Edit: And also the fact that if you haven't seen OG BK spawn then you won't get tokens on any instance... Am I wrong or right on this? You tell me... I never once said that your method doesn't work... just that it's not efficient to drag alts (LIKE YOU TOLD, not like Zeddy told) and then make it leave to rejoin it. Actually it's the dragging part that is more anoying and counter-productive than the loading screen.

I seem to be the one using my brain here and nobody else is getting what I'm saying and look-out the fact I give to simply counter argue me because I "attack" this method and show the problem of said method...

Edit 2: Go on any missions with 4 people, go 1 depth, make 3 people leave, go join them, then leave again... can you invite people or not? The answer is NO. This glitch was countered almost a year ago when Crappiddos (good french P2P player, well known) shared his alts with all his friends, we could join and leave his alts on T3 Stratum 5 (or 6 sometimes) arena... That's why the party locks after 2 leave, the 1st one won't block your depth, but the one that has went solo cannot kick someone to reinvite someone. If he kicks someone, the party gets lock down. Try it yourself...? lol I know this because of Winterfest Glitch, had to test out the boundaries of inviting/leaving and I don't have to now since I already know the boundaries of it.

Because yes, I test all the glitches I have found... I don't just go on the forum saying things I haven't tested out properly

Sat, 08/24/2013 - 08:38

#35

Zeddy

In terms of tokens, this method is less efficient than how it worked in February. Everyone would split up in solo groups, completeting levels faster and quadrupling the chance of collectively finding a kat. They would then invite everyone for that kat and in effect everyone involved would get 12 tokens per kat. This averages out at 7.5 tokens per kat now.

However, because of the new loot system and the increased spawnrate of kats, finding a book has never been this easy before! Previously, teaming up with a group would not increase the chance of books at all. You'd have 4 times as high chance of encountering a kat and getting its pages, but you also had to divide that by 4 if you want everyone in the group to end up with a book.

Now, the group of 4 people get 10 hits at finding a book (4 kills for one person, 3 kills for the next, 2 for the next, 1 for the last in the group), giving an average chance multiplier of 2.5 for each member in the party. The spawnrate has increased as well, and from some numbers I got from Qwote it seems to be a 30%-50% increase.

If you do this with alts, I feel sad for you. Go hunt with your friends and have fun!

Edit: A couple of things!

If you encounter a second black kat in the level you're running, your party will be restricted when you split up again. It may be benificial to immediately restart your run after a kat for this reason.
I would capitalize on this method as fast as humanly possible. You can bet your butt OOO is going to patch his away like they did with book-dupes.

Sat, 08/24/2013 - 09:48

#36

Apace

zeddy, i guess it is abit sad

zeddy, i guess it is abit sad lol but alts means more loot >:D

shamanala, do you hate me? i think you might of misunderstood me so many times.

regarding odds, a guildy got two books within 30mins =D

Sat, 08/24/2013 - 15:25

#37

Screwy

how all get 12?

Still don't get how EVERYONE gets 12 Pages each in a full party. Seems it only works for you, and the others get 9 pages, tops.

Sat, 08/24/2013 - 15:36

#38

Zeddy

They don't. One gets 12, the next gets 9, the next get 6, the last gets 3. Cycle who gets how many to be fair?

Sat, 08/24/2013 - 15:48

#39

Screwy

NOW I get it.

Sat, 08/24/2013 - 15:54

#40

Crowwkd

guys

omg guys extra is just trying to help you guys out

Sat, 08/24/2013 - 20:08

#41

Hellohippo

+1 for what Crowwkd said.

Also, I have set up a donation fund for a new brain for Shamanala. Any donations big or small are welcomed. IGN-Juicyhippos.

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