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Anti-Scamming for Flash Depot sales - Protection Measures

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Dracora-Speaking

Hello fellow players,
I've encountered a few players trying to lie about what items have been on the supply depot, and for how much. Their goal is to get the unwary player to undersell a rare item. This really disgusts me. I think this could be avoided with measures from the Mail System.

The mail system in SK could send a mail to all players letting them know what items, (when, and for how much), were on the supply depot. This could occur after every rotation, or once every 12 hours, etc.

No spoiler alerts, of course. Just items that are no longer in the Flash Sale, but were.

Yes, the forums is doing a nice attempt at keeping a log of these events, but not every player checks the forums, and the forums can be quite slow to update the log. Thanks to the efforts of those keeping these logs up.

And seeing how desperate people are for monies during this promotion, they might fall for it even if they regularly check forums in the rush.

I feel that this would not only help players, but be a nice gesture from OOO.

Keep in mind many players might feel insulted by this, like it's being "rubbed in" that they missed something. But I insist it is for protection, and anyone who feels this way can fight their own battles. Yar.

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Skepticraven
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I surely hope the scamming was unsuccessful.

Anyways, I believe that if someone already has a rare item, they should know its worth.

Yes, the sale is messing with the market quite a bit... but how trustworthy is a player in saying "oh yeah that item that you're trying to sell, it was on sale in the SD an hour ago - ill buy it for 1/10th the price you're asking". Yes, it might be slightly more convincing when more players join in with the scam... but if you are planning on selling something worth quite a bit - I believe it is your own responsibility to know the market value of that item which would include scanning the forums and being aware of the efforts to log these sales.

That being said, It may be good reference to mention as a followup once the sale has ended what items did show up and for how much (as a forum announcement post).

I don't think ingame mail would be a good method. Why? How many players can actually afford the sales? How many players are actually partaking in the sales?

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Dracora-Speaking
@skepticraven

No, the scam was not successful. It did however succeed in infuriating me. I don't like it when people feast on the unwary, even if the unwary need to be...wary.

Hmm, perhaps instead of a mail, a GM could post the official listings of past Flash Sales in the announcements on the forums. That would eliminate any forum trolls and scammers as well, as far as influence goes.

Mail was just trying to reach every player that may or may not look at the forums.

Regarding players affording sales/participating, imo, not really a factor. It's an in-game event and we usually have detailed mail about events anyway, regardless of affordability or participation. Granted, the event's randomness is every 2 hours or so, vs. normal events that have mail involve boxes with %chances and so on. Even though this event is different, it would still be nice.

I guess what I'm asking for is an official, from-OOO list of passed SD Flash Sale Content, in some form.

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Skyguarder

What if people didn't want to receive mail about the supply depot?

I don't want mail cluttering up my inventory.

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Misty-Wellington
<insert witty comment here>

Remember that Mail gets autodeleted and people can just easily delete the mail without reading it.

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Skepticraven
@Dracora-Speaking

Good thing the scam didn't work.

I definitely will +1 the idea of an official list of items that appeared on the sale, either by one mail or an announcement post in the forums(preferable) at the end of the event.

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The-Vindicar
@Misty-Wellington It would

@Misty-Wellington
It would get tedious - quickly. Forum post or something akin to TF2spreadsheet website (but official!) would be much better.

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Rezzler
A scam s a DISHONEST way, or

A scam s a DISHONEST way, or a DECEIVING way to make money. Which basically means, agreeing to anything but previous pr current market value is a scam.

Let me put it this way. Take aa seller of a Prismatic Wolver Tail, Axe, and a buyer of one, Flu. Flu also is an old returning player.

Axe /z chats (Selling Pris wolver tail for 20k E!). Flu coes along, and wants to buy it at that price. They trade. In Flu's mnd, he snagged it for WAY under previous market value (40k E) without telling Axe. Therefore he had the intent to scam Axe, because he would be DISHONEST. However, Axe had sold it for 20k E, successfully scammng Flu since Flu was too dumb to realize or check current market price of about 8-10k E. Therefore, Axe had in reality scammed Flu, but Flu had the intent of scammng Axe by not tellng him the price. In this scenario, dishonesty led to a bad deal for the old player Flu who was dishonest in buying.

Now, if they were honest, they would have realized current market value and went from there.

TL;DR
Point is, if a scam happens, one of the players is too dumb to check current market value, or the other player lied about the price. It is the players fault, and OOO does not have to intervene. Its all on the buyer to determine the price.

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Dracora-Speaking
@Rezzler

Obviously the buyer is at significant risk, with any given interaction. But that's not really the main point. Also, I'm sure if things that tell the population what's going on like the news channel, webfeeds, newspaper, etc. were to disappear, people wouldn't be too happy. That's why we have so many feeds in life - a person isn't "dumb" if they miss information, especially if there's only a few sources for it. They would be rather dense if there were tons of feeds. But we don't have tons of feeds for sk. Of the ones we have, very few are official.

This SD flash sale event is an interesting situation. The point is player awareness - for other events, we almost always get mail. This is nice, because a huge chunk of the player population doesn't know that the forums are an active part of the game. And that's not their fault, they are not "dumb" for that either. The forums are not the center of the SK universe. Yes, we have some users maintaining information about the event, as linked to in the original post, and even fewer have facebook, tumblr, etc. But again these are user based lists. For official awareness, something the real world media can't provide, a GM post of some kind would be cool. An opportunity for unbiased news/information should always be sought and fulfilled, imo.

This thread is about what method the GMs could use that wouldn't be too annoying, but be the most useful. Not about whether or not to let players know what's going on. Honestly I find the above post mildly disturbing. Walking through the world blind makes you prey for any rotten soul, no matter how "smart" you are. And if you're used to getting mail about events, that would make things even worse, unawareness wise. If there's no mail, there's no reason to assume anything is going on, for most minds. Sure, the stuff shows up when you get to the mission menu on the left, and players talk about current events in Haven, but some players are just so darn enthusiastic about running the levels, they don't check those things because they are normally things they don't care about. They are not "dumb" for that, they just don't utilize peripheral vision for the few seconds it takes to start a mission. Without official notification, things are very easily missed. This thread discusses how to best reach every player. Every individual. The entire population. Mail would have been the most sure way, but could easily be annoying, etc.

Sure, this event is different, as summarized before, but it would be very nice to have an official list. No, of course OOO does not have to intervene, that's ridiculous, saying they "have" to do anything (well they have to follow the law etc. that's just implicit). This would simply be a very nice gesture.

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Shadownox
Honk honk. Make way for the dead bunny.

@Rezzler

That wouldn't be considered a scam...that's a wrong trade. Axe stated his proposal and Flu accepted. Even though Flu got ripped off, Axe did not, in any way, try to deceive him. It was simply a mistake on Flu's part.

A scam would be, Flu wanted to buy the Pris Wolver Tail. In Flu's mind, the Wolver Tail is around 40k ce. Oh, and he also mentions that he just came back to the game and has no idea whatsoever the current prices. Axe then sends him a tell saying, "I'll sell you a tail for 20k ce." Flu does not know if he's getting a deal or if prices had dropped dramatically when he was gone, so he asks, "Is that really the price?" Axe responds, with full knowledge of the true price of the tail, "Yeah, it is. Trust me, you're getting a deal here. You haven't been around for a while. I know the prices." Flu then proceeds to trade, only finding out later that he got scammed.