Spiral Knights - The opinions of forum members are typically more important than the opinions of the majority

The opinions of forum members are typically more important than the opinions of the majority

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Wed, 12/11/2013 - 08:00

Fehzor

So it has been said that people on the forums are a minority, a very vocal minority with radical views of some sort and that isn't hard to believe.

But at the same time I am inclined to believe that we the forum members have more knowledge than the typical knight due to a few basic happenings:

0. Forum goers act as opinion leaders
-If I want to learn something... I ask on the forums, or I google it. Google then takes me to a forum post about "which brandish is better" or a sword guide.
-People in game discuss these issues off of the forums, and many arguments stated elsewhere get heard+posted.
-We read much of what is posted, and evaluate it.
-When shard bombs happened, many people didn't like the change despite not owning any shard bombs. People to date do not use shard bombs seriously.

1. Knights on the forums are, on the whole, more knowledgeable about gameplay mechanics
-We sit here and discuss our tactics.
-Some of us, do legitimate research into the game, and share that knowledge with the populace- starting with forum-goers and friends.
-We critique each others' actions, and question things that go on. "Peer review"

2. The typical forum goer has access to a larger degree of gear than the average player
-The "average player" in this case would likely be 3-4*; these represent the "majority"
-Many forum goers are 5*, and end up collecting all of the bombs, all of the weapons, all of the battle sprites etcetera.
-Forum goers DO cycle- tons of people have left, tons more are here. The ones that stay however, will by nature improve their arsenals.
-Being "on top" leads to a much better assessment of the game when it comes to certain changes- things like shard bombs, for instance.
-Being "on top" means you don't have to worry about gear, and can free up time to watch newer players to better your posts towards the game.

3. Greater time investment
-I don't just play Spiral Knights, I partake in the forums. This drives me to play more, and keeps me in the game.
-I know for a fact that many of the forum-goers have a couple thousand hours in game.
-This guarantees that they should have some idea of what they're talking about.

Now, by the common knight I mean the populace. If you were to poll every single knight in the game, what would you find? What would you get?
-A large number of people that just started. Their feedback is crucial in a different way- they offer early-game feedback about what they felt, and are by and large worthwhile when it comes to things like "Should pets be in the game?" or "Is the energy system bad?" But when it comes to "is acheron too powerful?", they wouldn't know. These are typically 2-4*.
-A large number of 5* knights that are still early on. They're still farming vanaduke to build up a second set of gear.. they don't have access to acheron AND gran faust yet, they don't have the time put in to master both swords, and get most of their tactics from other knights... who both generate their tactics, and get them from us.
-Many T4 knights- meaning that they are capable of farming shadow lairs. They themselves are under-represented, but are still present in the discussion... even if they just lurk, they still likely talk to people or are part of a guild, and when they do talk, their opinions eventually reach the forums- if they are seen as valid, and they often are.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 08:08

Lanieu

[reserved for after I read]

Um so everyone can have an opinion and many a time those opinions are met harshly and rudely by forum-goers. Just because you have more game-time doesn't mean your opinion carries more weight. You may remember if someone's opinion was already denied (or even implemented) but it doesn't make you superior.

What does make someone superior is compassion and kindness to a noob suggesting a GRAND NEW BIG idea that has in fact already been suggested twenty times...as opposed to trolling them with demeaning and conceited responses.

Anyway, I generally agree with most of what you wrote, just (some of) the wording seems very 'class-warfare-y'

-Lanny

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 08:17

Curious-Mewkat

Some of the forumers you see here are very active and have proven themselves to be versed in terms of Spiral Knights. I think they can have a little more say when they state their opinions and what not.

I suggest that since a forumer basically established a solid alias which we can all refer to, a forumer can build their own reputation within the forums, such as Fehzor here, who used to be a little butterfly until he turned into a Gengar.

Nonetheless, IMO, everyone is still entitled to an opinion.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 08:22

Fehzor

The more time in game might not make them right, but it does guarantee that they aren't completely new to the scenarios they discuss- like that knight suggesting we add pets in. If the developers are looking at certain issues, they should listen to the majority when they are vocal too- like right now, you see a ton of new knights innocently starting flame wars by posting "Why doesn't my DA work on walls??? Also radiants.." and then they get the whole religious war. I never said that forumers were objectively correct- just that their opinions are worth more on many issues.

Forumers shouldn't decide what happens and what is best, but they should be taken into account when issues like pets and radiant sun shards and radiant fire shards and whatever other radiant issues they need to spill their radiant sunlight onto. They don't say "The radiants are an issue" they say "This is what we should do about the radiants; this is why it is bad, this is how we can fix it."

That an issue exists- that acheron is off a bit- is not an opinion. We see threads like "this is outrageous!" being made about it when random people find that it is off. What would be best for it- what it ought to be- is an opinion.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 08:29

Thunder-The-Bright

gods ain't gonna help you, son.

I have 653 hours on the game, and I'm here since the last year. good times, I would like to be able to say.

0 I agree that some are; but some don't. law of little numbers: you can find anything in a little group, and screw all statistics on the way. this forum is a perfect example of this: there are little to no newbies here, and that doesn't help OOO development; most of us are T3, not T4.
1 I agree you on this; or at least, people that post do, and that's the important.
2 the typical player that sticks to the forum does, but the ones that don't usually don't. I didn't a year ago (I was 2-3* a year ago, darn it). unless you know when they joined the forums, you can't say that.
3 again, it's not true at all times.

about your imaginary poll:
the newbies are important not for key aspects of gameplay, but for the feeling they get when starting the game. for key mechanics there are the guys who study them, practically the experts T3 and T4 players that are here on the forums. we can restart the game and say how some things should be changed to be better explaining/ give a better feeling of the game; but when it comes to test, it's all about the newbies.
the part of the cake where I am have mostly run into almost everything in the game but SLs. while grinding for other weapons, you find out what the game is, provided that you dont' grind vana all the time.
T4 knights are great for understanding of the balance and everything. I agree that their opinion is valuable and often not so heard.

summing up, I think that there are too little gamers for the forums to be as you described (idk how much I messed up english in this sentence.)

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 08:35

Skepticraven

Heh.

@Shard bomb comment:
I use shard bombs in LD. It makes people complain about visual explosions (making me hard to find) and makes camping a control point easier than haze bombs.

0. People talk plenty in game as well. Opinion doesn't matter much... I often get bored posting in threads how people are wrong... which brings me to point #1

1. This is where the strength is. Science trumps all opinion.

2. Opinion. Refer to #0. Please conduct a poll to support your claim (#1). I guess we can't really figure out this without polling people in game as well. I have a feeling when you find guild leaders of pretty strong guilds don't use the forums (read the guild I'm currently in has no forumers except me, yet theres about 20+ people with just as much stuff as me. I'm trying to get them to join my studies, but they find it time consuming and unrewarding for gathering accurate information).

3. Opinion. Refer to #0. Maybe another poll? Again we run into the trouble and my anecdotal evidence that contradicts this.

For endgame mechanics, the opinions of forumers with good knowledge of the studies (example: Zeddy talking about weapon balance) are much more important than some casual gamer that would take a generic poll. A generic forumer that spends all their time in the Colosseum has, in my opinion, no leg to stand on giving an opinion about PvE.

All in all, it is the people that read (or participate in) the studies that lay out the mechanics of the game that have a better informed opinion. Most forumers do not read these studies... but a greater percentage than normal players do.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 08:36

Fehzor

This is why I said "typically"- these aren't universal truths, but for the forum posters that have posted for many, many hours, these things are generally true.

And yes, if you read my responses, this is what I said about the newbies.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 11:04

Tenkii

meanwhile, in f2p land...

Who are these opinions supposed to be more important for?

Sure, as a player, I would trust more experienced players' objective insights on things (for example, I am new to forge crafting as I have not had to craft much since the forge update- I trusted other people's experience when they said the 5* heat crystals are harder to get after asking about their gains from the boss treasure boxes, since I don't specifically pay attention to those drops). I can ask people about their experiences with gear that I haven't made yet.

But if I were someone of importance in Three Rings making decisions about what we should be directing programming/art/design resources to work on, there are more pressing motivations and sources to look for. I might read forums after patches to see if there are any gamebreaking bugs/exploits to fix, or to gauge reactions on things (just for reaction's sake). But things like say, Radiant Fire Crystals and their drop rates? Those are more likely to be a designer's choice to see what makes people spend their premium resources (Energy), and testing to see if they can tweak stats to make more money. It sounds cold, but that's generally how certain successful dogs in the f2p game industry have made their money. Watch metrics, tweak stats or make features that contribute to either of these 4 things:

- Getting more players (possible paying users)
- Convert non-paying players to paying players
- Get paying players to pay again
- Keep paying players in the game

When people make complaints about things, see if you can contextualize it to either of these 4 things. Heck, see if you can contextualize any of their previous actions in terms of that. I sure can.

When things are going well, then they can afford to spend time doing things that either don't contribute to it or feed their own desires (which is a little dangerous because it can sometimes counteract those 4 as well).

TL;DR:
Forum opinion: good for players, not as important for developers.

Wed, 12/11/2013 - 14:19

Milk-Frog

I bet you'd love to sniff my knickers.

I bet you'd love to sniff my knickers, wouldn't you, OP? Lint licker.

The forumers are a minority; a select few of intellectuals who enjoy forum discussions. What you are saying, Mr. Panty Sniffer, is basically, that the intellectuals that play Spiral Knights, their opinion on suggestions is more important than the average player's opinion. The average player IS the playerbase. These people dominate the game's population. OP, you're implying that the smart, or just people who devote their entire lives to the Spiral Knights forums, should have power and control over the game, and that their ideas should be highly valued overall. You sound like a power control freak, and you sound like you have an ego. If anything, most of the people who lurk on the forums, they lurk cus' they're either bored or lonely. I know this due to experience. There are many lurkers on the forums, but many of them never make a post or a reply, maybe just rarely they do. Everyone has the option of engaging in forum chatter, but many don't really want to, unless they feel as if they need to. Three Rings said that it is a privilege to talk on the forums, not a right.

P.S. OP YOU ARE A LINT LICKER AND I DON'T LIKE YOU!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 03:11

Nergee

flashback

the justifications reminded me of a third grade writing assignment, where we were supposed to write an "essay" on our favorite food and why it was the best.

straight to the point: most of the most amazing players i've ever seen don't ever bother to the check the forums. this metric seems highly skewed towards the personal perspective of the OP, who may very well be acquainted with forum-ers and not so acquainted with those who don't use forums.

the forums are not the best medium between players and developers, and definitely should not be weighted more. this has been seen in many games, where a very vocal minority make a ton of complaints, get their change implemented, and it ends up sucking. forum posters are a non-random sample, and by no acceptable methodology could it be considered an adequate reflection of the gaming population.

there are many players who are absolute beasts that no one knows about. one day you just happen to stumble across them because they are a friend of a friend, and you know that they would school any "pro" who likes to brag on forums or youtube.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 03:34

#10

Curious-Mewkat

We can't generalize that the top-ranking players are the best in expressing ideas and opinions. I would think of the forums as a wordy platform, better suited for storing large chunks of text. Not everyone is a fan of words, but I believe that those who are more versed and acquainted to platforms like this are better suited to expressing their ideas, opinions and suggestions.

We not only want people's opinions, but we need people who are able to express them, and as such we can't just move to the general public in the game. When you do that, you'd probably get a lot of demands rather than suggestions.

Another opinion of mine is that people who would choose to switch to the forums are people who are more interested and keen in the game. If you like the game, would you not choose to submit suggestions on the forums? That's why forumers are also more qualified to have a better say and opinion about the game.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 05:48

#11

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

Why did you have to make a Thread like this one?

The answer is yes and no.

Being an old forumer doesn't give you the right to dictate how it should be and new player/forumer may have a different perspective about the game than you do, and it's not a BAD thing to have multiple opinions.

It's a BAD thing to have one opinions to rule them all. You are not the law, you can discuss with people and not shove "your" truth in others throath like Tobi and Madara are doing in Naruto.

So... All in all, you just made yourself look bad again for absolutely no reason at all

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 06:55

#12

Iamnoone

Your opinions carry no more

Your opinions carry no more weight than any other user in a game. Your elitist attitude comes across as obnoxious rudeness to the rest of us. Acting poorly to your fellow forumers, causing them to leave, does not make you have more valuable to the company you are stirring in or more knowledgeable in anyway. It certainly doesn't make you and a few others "king" of the forum. In my opinion, it makes you a candidate for the company hit list. The one's to take out because you're costing them too many good customers and potential new customers.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 07:48

#13

Drischa

Personally I think Fehzor has the right idea just presents it a little over-aggressive manner. Forum people should have a good say but we can't ignore the majority.

Maybe if we went out and told more people to join the forums then the majority would be the forums...?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 08:31

#14

Glittertind

I think it is good you bring this up for debate. Though some people seem more caught up in slapping you than actually debating.
There should be more than enough room to discuss this without resorting to petty insults, really. People have it with saying "but the common knight doesn't think like the forum does or agree with the forum at all", and why is that? I mean, does anyone even really know how many forumgoers there are compared to active players? I really doubt that.
By what some people have said here, would the opinion of a veteran that has 'studied' the game (let's say Zeddy since we seem to often put him as an example anyway) really have as much weight as a veteran that never has ventured into the forum?

For me it feels like it starts boiling down to:
Should we go for what the 'common knight' feels/believes or should we stick with the facts people find and post on the forum?

Well, there's always been a big difference between facts and opinions. Anyone can give an opinion whether or not they liked the colour scheme of the last promo, but when it comes down to the scientific part? I really don't think 'the common knights' often does research like what's done on the forum, and surely not on the same scale, it's practically incomparable.

But let's take the UI change as an example. This pretty much comes down to opinions. Some people were trying to put a scientific approach to it by colouring the vision field and such, but it doesn't really have the same effect as hard numbers. Anyhow, it doesn't seem like we'll be able to find out if the forum actually was being radical about this, Three Rings surely weren't going to send a questionnaire about it to everyone in the game. This really only leaves us with the 600+ comments long thread on the forum... But then should that really just be ignored? Even though no one really seem to know if we were being radical about it?
Sounds like a radical approach if you ask me.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 09:15

#15

Iamnoone

'common knight'?

Maybe that's the problem here. It's a foul attitude believing that self is more important or better than others for any reason. What's worst is the belittlement and the condescending attitude that follows when the people who are being stepped on start to slap down those who are doing the stepping.

Is the gamer who plays a little then spouts off all their wonderful knowledge of everything on the forum to share with all and sponge from others then run to play a little more to see if it really works, more knowledgeable than those who sit and play continually knowing when and where all targets spawn and exactly how to swiftly and most effectively kill them? You know "the common ones" who have been doing it so long they are on auto pilot and any change is instantly noticed, the ones who easily clear out every level and mission like a pro, the ones actually playing in-game instead of wasting their time on the forum.

Personally, if I were to form a team to play for real, it would be filled with those who spend their time playing the game and not with those who spend lots of their time on the game forum creating drama. Who wants drama llamas on their team while they're trying to fight?

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 09:18

#16

Bitsbee

Who keeps editing their Post?

Stahp et.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 09:26

#17

Drischa

@iamnoone

From that last comment I couldn't help but get the idea that you'd rather have people with you who do everything in an extremely efficient manner.

One of the main things that Fehzor has bee asking for is for radiants to be fixed (Which I agree with) and for more *fun* mechanics and the balancing of different things rather than just blitzing away with the same old OP weapons and attack styles.

Now I don't know about you but I'd say the real players are the people who experiment - try to find what works and what doesn't, and if it doesn't work hen make it work or ask for it to be fixed.

Shard Squad has basically tried to make everything work - we do pepperbox runs, pummel gun switchshooting knockback testing and super shard spamming squad speed arenas. And yes, everything works, but some things work badly to the point where it's not fun. And fun is meant to be he point of this game, is it not?

I think that Fehzor should be listened to, no on the basis tha they are an elite knight of foruma mastery etc, but because They have good ideas and other players agree with them a lot of the time. They play the game as much of any of us and would have had their fair time talking to other players in-game as well.

A foul attitude it may be but people don't usually get what they want by being nice.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 10:08

#18

Skold-The-Drac

I really desire something.

OP, if I may, I'd like to direct you to a YouTube channel called CinemaSins, they did a synopsis on themselves. Please watch it. If you don't get my direction of thought there lemme spell it out for you.

We all have mouths.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 10:17

#19

Draycos

A much friendlier/simpler way to say it is this: the opinions of people who can back their ideas up and prove why they're right are more valuable than the opinions of people who can't.

Also keep in mind a survey will never be totally accurate, since people will vote according to what they want, not what's best for the game. Plenty of people would vote "no" in a survey titled "should we nerf brandishes" in order to keep their ridiculously powerful brandishes ridiculously powerful. There is no need to prove your ideas are right... you just vote.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 10:56

#20

Thunder-The-Bright

gods ain't gonna help you, son.

Your opinions carry no more weight than any other user in a game.

Maybe that's the problem here. It's a foul attitude believing that self is more important or better than others for any reason.

ok, this sum up what's wrong with your points.
first up, guys who can actually do great at any level of the game are more expert and know better the game than a new 5*. you can't say that the opinions of fehz are less valuable than a champion.
and it's not "any" reason, it's experience. experience at the game is what makes us different from the newbies. experience in general is what defines us as unique people. let's say "brandish line, on 5* is OP": it's true, you can compare them to almost any weapon of the game and say they are far stronger. for a newbie this has no meaning if not "they're the only viable weapon"; for someone who understands the game, they need a nerf. which opionon is more valuable?
there are only limited cases in which newbies are better of experienced players; namely, how to attract more people to the game.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 16:49

#21

Sirius-Voltbreaker

I agree.

In fact just yesterday I found out I have a fanbase.... And a bunch of people noticed me Fangel, and annilation all played lockdown. Also my "fans" said they supported me almost 100%... So yeah... Forumer power... Also yes I do have high knowledge of weapon mechanics and own several weapons. I have also playes for a long time...

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 17:14

#22

Rhagnarock

erhm...

@ Sirius

I have a fanbase too strangely enough, just because you put an idea on the forum and that some people that play the game have the same idea than you doesn't equal to anything, but your opinion is being shared by someone else.

In all games I had this happens, it's no feat, that's just normal reaction to a debate, there are party...

Strangely I had a fanbase for spoiling Winterfest Glitch last year even though I'm an alt and don't play at all... -_-

so.... meh

Every artist has a fanbase, does that make them good?

Edit: And going against vets forumer in a debate you can see who has a brain and can discuss, Hexzyle is the sweetest of them all and won't ever disrespect you in any way. Zeddy, Fehzor and Feller are passive/aggressive character that are really fun to push buttons because of crazy they react and cannot have a proper discussion about either balance, AT or LD.

They have to go "NAH THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE" and I even ranted on Zeddy fixation with Mad bomber, I want it to stay it that way and Zeddy aggressively changed it while pointing toward my Mad love for bombing....

I have as much play time as most vets here and can analyse the game pretty good and I don't go around to say "OOO YOU ARE BAD, MAKE RADIANT NUAW!!! I COMMAND YOU TO MAKE ME RAIN RADIANT"

it doesn't work that way

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 17:37

#23

Milk-Frog

Zeddy, Fehzor, and Feller.

Zeddy, Fehzor, and Feller want to become dictators. They want to gain as much power as they can, and totally flip this game into something totally anti-social and majorly grindage, where as we would have to play for hours and hours to make progress, and only a few players would rise to the top, a specific, set of players, probably people similar to those three. First those nanny sniffers will start with the forums, banning everyone except for Mawashimono. If you want access to the forums, you'll have to go through a questionnaire, an interview of some sort. The interview would be extremely specific and impossible to pass, I bet majority of the Spiral Knights population would all seem unfit for the forums. Just because my name is Milk-Frog, I've already been put on the banned list. After blocking 80% of Spiral Knight's community from using the forums, they'll start working on the game. The story of the game would be changed, the characters would all talk in this high vocabulary matter, that just about almost everyone wouldn't even understand what they are even saying. Spiral Knights would then become for the ages of 18 and over, rated IP for intelligent people.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 17:40

#24

Draycos

Don't be silly.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 17:41

#25

Glittertind

"Maybe that's the problem here. It's a foul attitude believing that self is more important or better than others for any reason. What's worst is the belittlement and the condescending attitude that follows when the people who are being stepped on start to slap down those who are doing the stepping." -Iamnoone

Talk about playing the victim card...
I think you should check on who's actually being told that their opinions are irrelevant.

The rest of your post is really just about how you seem to believe that people that don't go to the forum are better at the game than anyone who goes to the forum. Which is uh... A special kind of logic if you ask me. And secondly, it has nothing to do with the topic...

"A much friendlier/simpler way to say it is this: the opinions of people who can back their ideas up and prove why they're right are more valuable than the opinions of people who can't.

Could not have said that better myself.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 17:43

#26

Sirius-Voltbreaker

Feller was an idiot who doesn't even post anymore or maybe even play, Zeddy is very kind, and Fezhor doesn't have a big enough fanbase.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 17:55

#27

Milk-Frog

Those three are narcissists!

I honestly don't know those three that well. But we can all agree on things that we do not like about the game, so it'd be more about what we hate and want removed, than what we would want added to the game, so to say as to what opinions matter from either side. Everyone's crying about the Radiant Shard droprate, so it's pretty obvious that no one likes that update. So, we can all agree on agreeing on what we dislike with Spiral Knights, like the Radiant Shards. Three Rings is probably waiting for us to get over it and move on, like we did with the heat crystal system.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 18:02

#28

Zeddy

@Milk-Frog

That is inaccurate!

I wouldn't make exceptions for anyone when I ban the whole forum.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 18:22

#29

Fehzor

For those of you saying that I'm self absorbed, I think you're missing the point. I think that some people's opinions on gear balance and the things that go on in the game are more valid than others, not that my own points are better than others. Most of what I write is probably wrong, and changes drastically over time... which is where I got the idea for this from. I see a lot of newer people making assumptions that I once made, and I see a lot of people that explore the game more than I do making statements that once explained are quite ingenious. The forums tends to produce these kinds of people.

@MilkFrog
What on earth does any of this have to do with me being a "lint licker"???? I don't even...

And that isn't what I want for the game at all! I want less story, less wordy, easier to understand with most of the story explained through scenario rooms. I want everyone to have access to the forums regardless of their ability to write cohesive thoughts, if they want to post that's up to them! And why Mawashimono? She's great and makes nice posts and is generally a good member of the community IMHO, but I don't recall ever playing favorites with her. I probably won't have my way when it comes to the story, and we'll likely get more overdrawn text and more mission-systemy stuff, but more wordy? Come on. I'm not some kind of sexually deprived version of Hitler.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 18:07

#30

Sirius-Voltbreaker

Hey Zeddy!

So uh... How are ya doing? Nice weather today huh? Ya know uh you are a VERY nice person! I know you definitely wouldn't ban me and Krakob!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 19:49

#31

Milk-Frog

I'm narked at people nicking my nibbles.

"And why Mawashimono? She's great and makes nice posts and is generally a good member of the community IMHO, but I don't recall ever playing favorites with her."

-Fehzor

I think that's the first person that you've given a compliment to on General Discussions, to my knowledge, that is, I could be wrong. I can't read all the threads.. so yeah, mate. But I honestly don't know if things would turn out that way. I just know that Zeddy's a rocket scientist, and Fehzor has won three noble prizes in the past month. As for Feller, he's become an apprentice of mine. I got him working down in the swamp, he's been milking frogs with me. Pastoralism isn't a bad business. We've been selling frog cheese by the numbers!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 20:53

#32

Fehzor

I don't know how I've won any prizes or why they are "noble", but thank you I guess.. I don't think the goal of the forums is to go around handing compliments to each other, but rather to discuss things with people- most people bring up good points and are wonderful people regardless.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:46

#33

Quaquonfaes

Yea... cool story bro.

The more time you spend on the forums, the less time your spend ingame.
LOGIC.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 22:54

#34

Chromosver

I think the knowledge and experience of 'veteran' forumers are of more use in editing the wiki. The forums are for personal insults on personal opinions, not number grinding and 'balance suggestions'.
As someone who isn't me suggested sometime long ago, if you want change, create your own army in-game and have them support your ideals.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:01

#35

Midnight-Dj

"And why Mawashimono? She's

"And why Mawashimono? She's great and makes nice posts and is generally a good member of the community IMHO, but I don't recall ever playing favorites with her."

-Fehzor

... Fehzor, how could you... the last time Mawa made a thread on General discussion was about why spiral knight DON'T FART!?!?! Is that remotely relevent to the SK forum? NO! Is she a nice person in the community? NO! She takes crap on Jempire and she raises flamewar where ever she goes! Just go check out the long poem she made for darkcub to celebrate his hollow crusade against the Jempire on treasure vault. And her fanfic, if you can even call it that... I made my fanfic with dedication and love but somehow, someway, she gets more respond than I ever had!!! I may not be famous on forum or in game, I would be damned if I give up on making some noise around here!

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:09

#36

Skayeth

LOL

Midnight has gone macho. He's only acting like this cuz he's in love with Mawa.

Thu, 12/12/2013 - 23:17

#37

Midnight-Dj

-.-

@Annilaton

Mawa is none of my concern... after the stuff she pulled off to lionheart, her former BF, I don't think I can ever trust her. And trust is the basis of a relationship and Mawa squanders it, until she can pull off her princess act, I want to have nothing to do with her.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 04:46

#38

Mayaura

Oh, wow . . . just, wow . . .

This thread is hilarious on just so many levels, so thanks for that, guys. Seriously, I was laughing out loud.

For the record, my most recent general discussion post was concerning polar fashion and the humor behind the name "Mount Krampus". My fart thread was one of those joke threads I slip in from time to time. It's surprising that anyone would remember it, and quite revealing about a certain player's anatomical fixations and selective memory.

Even if our knights could emote flatulence, the Dragon Princess would probably "discreetly passes gas in ________'s direction".

I also posted some suggestions pertaining to some of the thoughts related to this thread, although my ideas were based on ideas from eBay and Star Craft.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 05:15

#39

Onekone

So how about old knights, who

So how about old knights, who only lurk around and have their own community over-the-seas? I'm with folks from Spiral Scanf was interested in SK lore and tactics for quite some time (until Sprites happened. Damn it, Forge, damn it, Sparks, damn it, OOO). And then there's For Mother Russia guild who have russian variant of SK Wiki (after their attempt to translate front page was wiped out: "Russian is not game's language") and own forum, edit:where most of russian players gather. Those guys should be ignored in favor of exactly this forum?

Considering that forum boils with hate and depression, eh

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 05:08

#40

Onekone

Nope

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 05:29

#41

Midnight-Dj

lol

think again

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 05:26

#42

Mushy-Bucket

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^ There's the forum I know!
Harharharharharhar.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 05:30

#43

Bitsbee

I heard it! I'm a witness!

Dj likes the smell of farts!

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 05:31

#44

Midnight-Dj

@Mawa

-.- still the queen of off topic I see? Well, can't be helped I guess, it is said that a dragon never changed its way... espicially when it farts.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 05:34

#45

Midnight-Dj

@Bitsbee

You just have to do it don't you? Well, I will be gone for the winter to another MMO's event, smell you all later, or you can smell Mawa fart, either way, I don't care. It is nice to have a change of scenery, swim across the ocean with my submarine, sink enemy ships while they yelled at me for using torpedos, it is all fun and dandy, see you all at the gunners update and probably see you all later after it is ruined.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 06:04

#46

Draycos

Before, you just annoyed me because you liked to argue in the Suggestions board with backwards reasoning.

Now you've given me better reasons to dislike you, so I don't feel like as much as a jerk when I'm biting back something mean.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 06:23

#47

Midnight-Dj

@Draycos

Then by all means, Draycos, Hate me, despice me, let me die in your memory, LET ME ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!

Suprisingly I actually respected you once... but I guess you never saw the true intention of my statement in those suggestion threads you made, and since no GM responded to you or me, doesn't that essentaially mean that the arguement was meaningless to begin with? Maybe they made the game and they intended that way before me or you even considered it. What makes you think you know what is the best for this game? Or hell, I don't even know what is the best for this game, but at the rate this train is going towards absolutely nowhere and you know it. Haven't OOO already screwed up enough? Gozano, one of the SK VIP just left a month earlier, sure, new players will come and take his place but the damage is already done.

Edit: I wasn't here to see the binding and shardpocalyse but from what I heard, it did result in a massive quitting spree and OOO lost a lot of loyal players, way to go... Not all changes are nice Draycos, something may be better off the way they are. And if you still hate me, then I am sorry for what happened, but this is something personal between me and Mawa and I sometimes couldn't control my rage (I already erased the first comment I made about her, but that is all, I am not giving her another inch.) And if you still can't forgive me, then fine, make me a villain, even though I always wanted to be good.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 07:12

#48

Draycos

-"I respected you once"
Well, okay, I don't care.

-"You never saw my true intention"
Cut it out. You'd argue with me first, I'd prove my points, then you'd fall back on it, because it's okay you just said the silliest things- it was meaningless!

I've told plenty of people I'm going to stop posting and playing the game if the Gunner Update goes sour.

-"What if they wanted it this way?"
Then they need to explain why their ideas are better- especially Shards. It seems like they selectively use feedback. Take a guess at what Grinchlin Assault is modeled after.

-"Binding made people leave!"
It was necessary. New players were buying themselves to the end-game.

-"Why do you think you're right?"
Probably because I understand what is and isn't artificial difficulty, what fun gameplay looks like, what bad design choices did wrong, etc. I also tend to give evidence and reasoning in my suggestions, and modify them as I'm proven where I'm wrong.

-"Not all changes are nice!"
I don't want to and shouldn't need to explain why this is so incredibly counterproductive.

-"I can't control my rage."
Being mad is fine, but that certainly isn't. The line that stuck out the most was 'my fanfic is better but she gets more posts, whine'.

-"Mawashimono"
I know she's had her moments with Lockdown and the Jemps, but PvP can bring the worst out in anyone. She's fairly nice in-game and outside the Jemps' forums.

-"I always wanted to be good."
Then maybe you should improve.

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 07:53

#49

Fehzor

@War in the middle forums

Lets all just be happy and love each other- we're all part of the same club here, and there is no need to start flame wars in every thread. It is OK to disagree and argue about why I'm terrible for making the OP, but don't derail the thread so that you can flame each other. And no, I am not comparing myself to god man. Its just a good and humorous example.

And no, I will not despice you- that would be a bland decision on my part.

@Chromos, who posted on topic.

The forums might be a place for personal insults, as you said- but it shouldn't be. It should be a place of knowledgeable discussion and, when it comes to it, humorous satire on issues that the developers are unwilling to address. There are many cases where popular threads will be about that, but there will always be threads that contain genuine feedback that should not go ignored but often are- is it right to say that everyone in game LOVED any specific update, with 8 pages of support in the opposite direction?

Fri, 12/13/2013 - 08:08

#50

Skayeth

So!

Do you guys wanna listen to epic music to calm you guys right down?!
I made these music myself! Jk! I'm trying to compose of my own and it's going well, but time consuming.... XP

My favorite part: http://youtu.be/-Zdjs0Zq6A0?t=21m3s

Epicness!: http://youtu.be/-Zdjs0Zq6A0?t=33m32s

OMG this is good:http://youtu.be/-Zdjs0Zq6A0?t=35m18s

Can't listen while going sympathetic: http://youtu.be/-Zdjs0Zq6A0?t=1s

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