Definitely a lot more expensive than I would have figured. But, then again, I find the idea that one would even want to bother mildly preposterous. I mean, really? I guess I just view heat as an inevitability, not something I need to work towards. It'll happen in time, when I'm doing runs for fun/money/mats anyways.

Maybe it's for those people who have like 80k+CE saved up, but then they have nothing to level anyways.

Makes no sense.

Wow... That was a quick response to all the criticism, Nick. Thanks! Would you mind addressing all the criticism on this thread?

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/8737

Even if heat were harder to obtain, 800 CE for a two day benefit is pretty absurd.

Not worth 20% extra heat.
Maybe if it was 100% the price would make more sense.

They'll probably log sales and adjust the price accordingly later.

wow... this farce is nearly as bad as this

Seeing as how a Jelly run is a glorified Heat Amplifier, and its an unnecessary addition to the game, its a luxury, you pay the luxury price. 800CE - Aka 40k crowns, not that big of a deal.

Yes I am 100% serious dude.

Sadly no, I do not work for Three Rings only because they would end up paying me in CE and I will be living in a box in a month, or I would most likely hide in the office since it looks very nice....reminds me of pirates of the Caribbean and makes me think the whole clockworks idea came from a lot of the art they had in their office.....but I think it would be hard to shower daily in the bathroom sink, and Nick would most likely kick me out since I would mistakenly attempt to help and pull a Boswick and crash the game somehow, or because I will stink since I could not shower properly due to being broke and the world not accepting Ce is a payment =( . I dont think me working for Three Rings is the greatest idea currently LOL....I did the math =0

Well, I hope that people know that if you want to level just one item, you can go from 3*-5* in exactly 3.5 Jelly King runs.. shorter if you go random party and revive some of the more inexperienced players. Or, you can just be totally malicious and let all of them die, and pick them up (providing you have the skill to carry the whole team on little hp). In conclusion, heat is sooooo easy to get even if you don't have a lot of time. Not sure who you're trying to market this to...

Yeah that's what I was trying to say as well. Heat is allready easy to level, why so friggin expensive. I think even if at 200 CE it'd be expensive but 800 is just coming off a bit stupid. I mean guys, seriously... this choice t comse off as if you guys just threw it in with no thought whatsoever. I don't think it'll be hard for you guys to aknowledge this as it's something too obvious. You guys allready built this excellent game so I am sure you are more clever than his.

You completely missed the point.

hey OOO u want more money? i bet you do

$3.00 for something as pointless as extra heat which u would get if you use those 800 into going in the clockworks and i bet it would take even less CE plus you would get the extra cr and materials....

premium item? yea you can call it that since no player that spends less that $50 a week would buy this abomination of a rip off

@Njthug so spending over $100 dollars in a video game means u have a life? think about it u pay $3 bucks so u can make the 2 runs worth of heat into 1 ur saving yourself 30 mins of ur wonderful and interesting life good for you!!

hey OOO release an item that gives you movement speed so people with better things to do can run tru the clock works faster!! make it 1 day and worth 10k CE you'll get a lot of rich kids paying your bills

o and btw isnt it the point of a video game to waste time? so why even bother playing if you dont have time to waste? just dont play at all and problem solved!
the argument of " i cant spend 25hours a day playing" makes no sense since no1 is asking you to do so....if you only have time to play 1-3 hours a day then do so!

o and another thing it is my understanding than OOO are making their wonderful updates so that people cant buy their selves into T3 with real cash yet they release items that help the purpose of progressing faster than other players but of course this items are CE the cash currency so in other words the brainless rich kids can still buy their way to T3 but now OOO gets more money out of it and at the same time making F2p players have to grind forever to progress.... this reminds me at ages of nobility when the rich were extremely rich and the poor extremely poor

I think this is incredibly pointless since i make my items 1 at a time while im GRINDING (this game has become full grinding for F2P gamers anyway) to get enough crowns to buy enough energy to craft my next item the item i just crafted gets to lvl 10 quite easily

now i know this is an item intended for P2P gamers but that doesnt make the price less ridiculous. Even if i were to get a stash of money for just going to the bathroom everyday i would feel riped off to buy such item

I understand you need to create a "cash shop" for those willing to pay, but isn't 800CE A bit... ... ... exploitative?

And the addressed issues of the last patch has yet to be addressed. What we'd love to know is the rationale behind the increase of CE for crafting (apart from the "OH NOES PEOPLE ARE BUYING 5-STAR GEAR" reason, since that one could be easily fixed if the dev group actually took some time to read the suggestions forum), because at this point, you guys are seriously implying that all you want to do is to milk paying players for their money.

And yes, I do understand that it takes time to put together new content. But the issues of the last patch have yet to be addressed.

with the take that it's a luxury item. Don't buy it if you don't want it. Why do people cry about something that is soooo optional. You have lost nothing with this item being added. You have gained the option to use it if you want.

Ultimately, if it works as intended it will stay as it. If it does not we'll see a decrease in price.

Actually, my only real criticism is that it puts a little too much pressure on the purchaser for a marathon session. I think 400 CE for 24 hours would be a much better balance for the item. Busy people who need such an item are much more likely to be able to find 1 long day to marathon session with it. It could be a tougher sell to get the wife to let you throw a whole weekend at it, lol.

I have to admit though, my 1st thought was...HAHAHAHHAAHHAAHA 800 CE for 20% more heat? Partying with noobs is free and it's 30% more heat :D
But after that i thought it was kinda cool they included a luxury item such as this. I just think 1 day @ 400 would allow people to more efficiently use it.

I think luxury items is a good sign for us. It hints in that maybe in the future we can change colors of our knights or may get other options available. Which i'm sure the community will then throw a b****ing fit about.

800 CE for a 2 day, 20% bonus? Are you kidding me? Even as a "luxury" item, this is just throwing away your money. It's honestly a bit insulting.

I'd just like to note the following:

If this boost is for people who can't play often, then it's terrible. First off, it's just 2 days. This means to get the most of it, they'd have to play for long periods of time in one sitting. Which they can't since they are the target demographic that doesn't play much.

Second, for 800 CE, you can get a bunch of guys to go down to the arena with you and just heat pool (get killed in the spikes , get revived by party member, rinse and repeat), which will get you roughly 50-150% more heat and doesn't take your time and isn't restricted to 2 days.

My question is: What will happen to the heat amplifier when it doesn't sell?
More so what will OOO do when it doesn't sell.

@Njthug so spending over $100 dollars in a video game means u have a life? think about it u pay $3 bucks so u can make the 2 runs worth of heat into 1 ur saving yourself 30 mins of ur wonderful and interesting life good for you!!

^

Nope, spending over $100 in a video game means I will unlock the money cane, along with the money sunglasses, money jacket, and the money shield which look very epic indeed. Thinking about it if I pay 3 bucks I can make 5+ Runs worth of heat easily hey I can even farm T1 which will be a breeze for some nice heat. Which will save me pointless hours staying inside leveling up this gear.

Omg, and thanks for noticing my life is so wonderful and interesting it is I am planning on making a movie or tv show on it called: Epic Njthug Movie just waiting for MTV or Warner Brothers to call me back.

@Senshi - Only reason they most likely only left it at 48 Hours is since it would not be a HUGE advantage. Most games have boosts like these lasting only for x amount of hours, and it makes the players who can no-life for one or three days to easily just buy the boost and no-life it up. (And I found your first line funny only because people are calling Three Rings money hungry, but yet...they made something that they will not see many players using Ce on most likely about 10% of the current Ce Buyers will).

@Zoa - It will sit in the shop and collect snipe poop most likely. Most likely Three Rings will keep it there since players like myself would gladly use it.

In my view the heat amplifier is a choice given to the players its like this:

Order a Cheese Burger or Turkey Burger or a Veggie Patty (For the Vegans and such) and the place list the following costs:

1 Slice Cheese: $1.00
2 Slice Cheese: $1.50
Tomato: .75
Onion: .75
Lettuce: .75
Bacon: $1.50
Extra Patty: $5.50
Mayonnaise: .50
Other: .50 - $10.00

^All choices you wish to have on your sandwich some may be more expensive than others, but the choice is yours. You may want an extra patty, but are you willing to pay that much for it? If not then you will not order an extra patty.

=0

@Njthug (who is NOT affiliated with three rings, even slightly, according to Njthug).

This hyperthetical customer, Mr Rich&Busy plays for 2 days only, and does exactly 60 dungeons = 10 complete passes of tier 1 (no revives and no extras, such as 3 CE gates).

Cost = 10 CE x 60 = 600
ME = 100 at start (as was too busy to play before the 2 day period)
+ 200 ME over the course of the 2 days.

So actual cost in CE = 600 - 300 (ME) = 300 CE

20% of that = 60 CE.

So we would have to pay 800 CE to get 20% more heat on dungeons which would cost 300 CE, this seems a ridiculous mark up (assuming 60 dungeons in 2 days, = very approximately 10 hours play time {1 hour per complete tier 1} over the 2 days).

@Collussus
>>>It's amusing how no one in this thread even mentioned that in the majority of F2P games out there you pay double the amount of what you pay here for only 24 hours.

You seem to be contradicting yourself.
F2P = FREE to Play = NO COST (if the player decides to play this way).

So, 24 hours = FREE (= F2P). {having a daily "time limit", such as ME, complicates things here, but you can buy CE with crowns, and save them, to play for 24 hours, so it is still potentially "free to play"}
Otherwise, calling the game F2P would be false.
If there are EXTRAS which can be bought to improve the gaming experience, then fair enough.

raycap
The problem is, that it could indicate that OOO's in the future will bring out similar, but ESSENTIAL items.

Sounds like a "sky is falling" post if I ever saw one. All of your "warnings" seem unsubstantiated, and to MOST players (IE people who craft their own things rather than sell to others) the game barely changed for them.

Disclaimer: I myself was a 5* craft-vendor, yet I don't complain so much about these updates. I'm playing a GAME in my leisure time. QQ more.

@Njthug (who is NOT affiliated with three rings, even slightly, according to Njthug) <-- If Three Rings is paying me I wish I knew about it since I havent seen a dime lol.

This hyperthetical customer, Mr Rich&Busy plays for 2 days only, and does exactly 60 dungeons = 10 complete passes of tier 1 (no revives and no extras, such as 3 CE gates).

Cost = 10 CE x 60 = 600
ME = 100 at start (as was too busy to play before the 2 day period)
+ 200 ME over the course of the 2 days.

So actual cost in CE = 600 - 300 (ME) = 300 CE

20% of that = 60 CE.

So we would have to pay 800 CE to get 20% more heat on dungeons which would cost 300 CE, this seems a ridiculous mark up (assuming 60 dungeons in 2 days, = very approximately 10 hours play time {1 hour per complete tier 1} over the 2 days).

^You dont have to pay 800ce to get 20% more heat you either want to and will or wish to, but wont. I level up items pretty fast, I wish to buy this when I do crazy leveling since well it will make my life so much easier to level up gear, so I am fine with paying 800ce, and I think your math is wrong. =)

raycap
If the game "BARELY CHANGED", then why were there so many 10's if not 100's (?) of forum posters complaining immediately after the update (not even mentioning the significant number of DELETED posts, if other forum users comments about that are to be believed) ?

So 5* crafting, 300 CE suddenly changing to 800 CE, is "BARELY CHANGED" is it ? (NOT IN MY BOOKS!).
Then there is the huge (rumoured, but exact costs not announced yet) unbinding shop charges, if you want to lend the weapon to someone else in your guild etc.

For 5*:
1) Increase crafting cost: 500CE
2) Decrease crafting cost: -20,000cr, roughly equal to 400CE
The difference between roughly pre-update (1200CE) to post-update (1300CE) crafting costs for a 5* is indeed barely of a change. Especially as this is the "endgame" and all. Also, I'm talking about for casual players, who never thought of selling their crafts to others for a profit. Hell, pre-update, there wasn't even any real profits aside from sitting-around-peddling-goods until you reached 5*... and the amount of casuals reaching that?

Also, you have to consider forum posters as a minority as well. In many games, casual players don't bother with ancillary means of getting and sharing information, like forums or wikis. And this is a really casual game. If OOO was smart enough, they should've made it Facebook friendly, and they would've been sitting on a goldmine.