First up; a Blitz Needle can do 303 damage per shot. The Suduruska has similar movement penalties and less than a thousand damage for the whole charge attack.

Counter?

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Acheron#Damage
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Gran_Faust#Damage

Acheron does the exact same damage as Gran Faust. The first and second swing, the last swing, the charge attack, the charge swing, the charge projectiles. However the Acheron swings faster and has more hits in a combo, giving it much higher DPS against a single target. GF has slightly more range and knockback but not nearly enough to make up the difference, especially when you consider the charges. Acheron has a much shorter charge time, no chance of self-curse, and can deal 40% more damage than a GF charge attack against a single target if the full charge hits (6 hits for Acheron and only 4 for GF). The curse you can deal to enemies with GF is moderately useless in PvE because it only sometimes deals damage. In PvP the GF charge is agonizingly slow to both charge and execute, and if an enemy somehow still manages to get hit and is cursed he can easily switch it an uncursed weapon or run back to base and heal. This is as opposed to Acheron charge which charges and executes quickly, does more damage, and doesn't have a chance of cursing the user.

more to come--

This belongs in the Arsenal/Graveyard. Unless you put it here intentionally? As another off-topic thread?

Instead of spoon feeding you with more information that you repeatedly fail to acknowledge, why don't you just search your threads in the arsenal or the balance discussion threads that are brought up in General Discussion? We're not in kindergarten.

Just for the heck of it, here's one that you made less than a month ago to get you started.

....actually, why don't you enlighten yourself to see what's balanced or not with your own research? Grab some weapons and do your own deductions, you won't believe what any of us say anyway.

...not to be rude bu--no, I'm being rude. There's no other way to say what I want to say in a more mild tone. Sorry.

admittedly, the first thing I thought was "B-lance... borderlance?"

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wanted balance
- Within the same/similar lines, Biohazard vs Neutralizer is perfect. Neutralizer is a normal gun with no status, Biohazard is shadow + status. Neutralizer charge is more powerful on neutral enemies than Biohazard, which can juuust compete on neutral enemies if its poison effect happens. Of course, Biohazard will be more effective on gremlins/jellies and less effective on fiends/undead. Perfect.

maybe imbalanced?
- I will say that (unfortunately?) there are factors other than DPS that might be worth taking into account. For Sandwich-Potato's example, Troika charge might not be all so amazing, but it has knockback that makes it a safe move to hit, and AOE that allows it to hit more enemies at once. Blitz needle's bullets cannot reliably hit multiple monsters at once.

- Volcanic Pepperbox vs Plague/Blitz Needle: Blitz needle is non-status and probably deserves to be higher damage than its status counterpart, Plague Needle. Volcanic Pepperbox deals normal damage and status... and so should sacrifice damage for versatility. VP does less damage and has less range than Plague needle, but its charge does knockback, so it sacrifices 'damage' for 'safety'. I'm still not sure what to feel about this yet :\
Perhaps VP is skipped partly because it doesn't 'shine' against anything and the current common endgame run (what else but... FSC!) is fire themed and has monsters that are actually weak to Plague's piercing.

- Mad Bomber vs Chaos: They're practically equivalent for bombers, except Mad Bomber has no Curse penalty and Chaos gives bonuses to other weapons. Bonus-wise, the 'balance' is exactly the same between Skolver/Shadowsun/Bombastic sets and Chaos (the weapon-specific damage sets and the good-for-everything-but-defense Chaos). In fact, the balance is much like the balance between Mad Bomber and the other bomber armors: other bomber sets give damage/msi, VH CTR, or VH damage while Mad Bomber gives med to damage/CTR with defensive penalties. It's underused mostly because Chaos is the more economical choice with its bonuses, and its bonuses are equivalent. MB probably suffers more from the fact that the bombing playstyle is completely charge-based and their bonuses overlap.

probably imbalanced
- Iron Slug and Callahan deal exactly the same damage on neutral targets. If we were to follow the convention (Status brandishes/alchemers vs their non status versions, Blitz/Plague needle, Biohazard vs Neutralizer) of status weapons dealing less damage than their non-status counterparts on neutral enemies, Iron Slug should be stronger. They are also worse DPS than their autogun counterparts. It might be arguable that the slug/callahan's shots can knock enemies down, but... the autoguns' damaging move (charge) do the same. In fact, Blitz charge attack is like firing 10-15 non-stunning Callahan bullets.

- Obsidian Carbine vs Sentenza: They deal the same damage... but Carbine has a status, making it a better choice. Arguably, if Sentenza was a [rare] grade weapon from a boss, Carbine is a [very rare] grade event weapon, so maybe it deserves its power?

obviously imbalanced
- Shard bombs: What are these even good for? On top of this, they cannot hit the same enemy with multiple chained/consecutive charges because of invincitinks (they will do no damage). I believe Nitrome/Dark Briar Barrage has been shown to be the better choice for DPS bombers.

- Acheron does more damage than Final Flourish against beasts. That shouldn't happen.

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Note: I'm playing devil's advocate a bit by claiming that knockback/safety are a factor on par with DPS balance, but really, how important are they?

Note2: Well, in most argumentation (not that this thread is arguing anything, but just an example), all that should matter are the claims laid down in front, not the identity of the claimers. Sure, OP might have made some threads and comments that we don't disagree with and biases of his own (I for one don't see the same issues with the Lockdown community as he does), but the intent here is decent enough. Unfortunately, I can rationalize out how they might have seen balance with non-damage factors, but most players can't afford to have everything (hence the thread OP made before about the unpursued gear - people don't make them because there are more economical choices they can make).

I actually only used heavy weapons when I started out and had to deal with the terrible realization that my giant sword killed monsters slower than my friends' brandishes, so I'm quite familiar with them and trying to compete in terms of DPS.

That said, heavy swords' normal attacks can only compete when dealing with many monsters. With a wide swing, you can hit 3-4 monsters at once with little worry about safety. You mention blitz charge, but when it comes down to it, you use a blitz charge and fire 15 bullets: they'll hit 2-4 enemies. It's amazing vs single targets (vana.) but it's sadly ineffective on larger crowds.

whoa lol, I'm not arguing replacing Blitz with Troikas, or even that they're anywhere close to each other. In my last post, I should have said hope to compete [with 3 hit swords], because even between Troika/Brandish, hitting multiple monsters in one swing is good and all, but its effective DPS can only get close to acceptable when there are MANY monsters to damage. Bring it down to 1-2 monsters at a time (the usual case) and the heavy swords become underwhelming.

I still prefer to compare things to other similar things for now, so at the very least, Troika attack speed is horrendous in comparison to the Sealed Swords. You'd think it was to make up for range or knockback, but they're exactly the same -_-;

Guys.... I think we scared Tweeter away.

I think he's just so far stunned into that back of his chair that he won't be posting for a week.

/clap

We've done it everyone!