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Spiral Knight's Merchants, Market, & You

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Thu, 01/23/2014 - 23:00

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Thu, 01/23/2014 - 23:38

Revolutional

Ign : Neutyz Spiral Knights

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Spiral Knights Economic Market Rating : 60%
Spiral Knights Merchants in General Rating : 80%
Auction House Rating : 75%
Spiral Knights Bazzar Community Rating : 90%
Spiral Knights/Steam Market Rating : 65%
Comments : -Nil-
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Fri, 01/24/2014 - 00:18

Jwake

ign: Jwake
spiral knights economic market rating: 66
spiral knights merchants in general rating: 79
auction house rating: 71
spiral knights bazzar community rating: 85
spiralknights/steam market rating: 62
comments: While even in the greatest of marking systems in games there will always be general complaints for self serving reasons (not saying that's a bad thing, I just mean to point out it does exist) I think the main point few points we have to remember is this is a "kids/teens game" and while it has turned into I think where maybe even 40% of the community is in their 20's or older, it caused gaps in how people deal with "real" like market problems and thoughts on how to compensate. Also while in all (mmorpg games) the game masters might like to cause a stir to keep us on our toes and to not have it become dull. I think overall that has been shattered in SK because it is just done too much at the extreme now. So while the big merchants got slammed, it also means that there is no stable way to tell how an item let alone the market is on groups of things to let new/mild merchants not get ripped off very easily. Of course these are just my own thoughts and opinions and you can weight them to your own however much/little you like.
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Fri, 01/24/2014 - 05:16

Leekcoco

In-Game Name: Leekcoco
Rate the Spiral knight Economic Market: 50
Rate Spiral Knight Merchants in General: 85
Rate the Auction House: 100
Rate the Spiral Knight Bazaar community: 90
Rate the Spiral Knight/Steam Market: N/A - I don't use it.
Comment: SK economy and trade is very impressive, and most of the merchants have been helpful and good people to deal with. :)
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Fri, 01/24/2014 - 05:31

Fehzor

Rate the Spiral knight Economic Market: 50
Rate Spiral Knight Merchants in General: 50
Rate the Auction House: 60
Rate the Spiral Knight Bazaar community: 20
Rate the Spiral Knight/Steam Market: 20

Comment: The steam market is bad because it is small. The auction house is lacking in that its mildly disfunctional with the whole "medium"/"long" thing that ends with every single item being sniped. I don't like merchants in general. They are not here to be my friend, they are here to waste my time selling me goofy things. That said, the merchants are a thing and they do make up a part of the community and keep the game going, even if they're a bit ridiculous. The Bazaar community is alright sometimes, but there are many many sharks in that pool, and most of the decent items are way over priced.

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Mon, 01/27/2014 - 11:41

Reto-Da-Liz

-In-Game Name: Reto-Da-Liz
-Rate the Spiral knight Economic Market: 40
-Rate Spiral Knight Merchants in General: 75
-Rate the Auction House: 90
-Rate the Spiral Knight Bazaar community: 60
-Rate the Spiral Knight/Steam Market: 40
-Comment: OOO keeps screwing the economy, merchants don't always adapt quickly and prices are often all over the place.
Among merchants, some people are truly worth a 0, some are worth a 100 and even more.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 14:29

Thegamerguy

In-Game Name: Thegamerguy
Rate the Spiral knight Economic Market: 80
Rate Spiral Knight Merchants in General: 85
Rate the Auction House: 95
Rate the Spiral Knight Bazaar community: 20
Rate the Spiral Knight/Steam Market: 30
Comment: The only problem I have is with the Spiral Knight Bazaar community. In game I find many merchants to be rather cold and heartless; if your named price isn't higher than what they wanted, they immediately shoot you down. Many are mindless robots, rubbing spam throughout all three chats and even creeping into LD occasionally. Their only goal is to sell an item for twice of what it's worth, rather than to have fun and make friends in a game that deserves a little love. Merchants tend to form cliques, excluding others from their conversations until proven "worthy." This is one of the main reasons I don't delve into the merchant community- I'd rather help and befriend people than rob and exclude people.
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Mon, 01/27/2014 - 17:03

Arcknightdelta

I don't Price Check no more. I ask for Price Checks

In-Game Name: Arcknightdelta
Rate the Spiral knight Economic Market: 50
Rate Spiral Knight Merchants in General: 60
Rate the Auction House: 70
Rate the Spiral Knight Bazaar community: 50
Rate the Spiral Knight/Steam Market: 30
Comment: I'm not some big time merchant. I'm very new when it comes to most you guys and I have made my fair share of mistakes in the past. But what I am learning very quickly is how the market is run by the 'big timers'. It just seems to me that they are all in league with each other and no sale goes unnoticed around them. They quickly clear up the market and charge extraordinary prices for huge profit. This obviously makes it harder for the new comers. I think 000s done everyone a huge favour by releasing all those rare accessories back into the market. If they do this on a regular basis or these flash sales could be like those surprise elevator power surge weekends we used to get, then I strongly believe the market will become a lot more stable.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 17:28

Sirius-Voltbreaker

IGN: What do you think it is?
Rate the Spiral Knights Economic Market: 80.
Rate Spiral Knights Merchants in general: 90.
Rate the Auction House: 50.
Rate the Spiral Knights Bazaar Community: 45.
Rate the Spiral Knights Market: 60.
Rate the Spiral Knights Steam Market: 10.
Comment: I do a lot of selling and merchandise on my alts, and I get lot's of money off of it. I would call myself a decent SK merchant. If you see low price merchandise on the AH (Sprite food, Mod calibrators, Enamorocks) it very well could be mine. The good thing about the SK merchants in general, is the fact that they know what they are doing, and very little to none don't know what they are doing. And I agree with Arch on the accessory thing. Accessories much like LD are the only thing keeping the game running and keeps players like Mawa dumping money into Accessories. More of my profit from SK is from selling than I'd like to admit. (About 40%.) To do well in SK, you have to adapt to the economy. And it isn't too hard. The economy in SK, is one of the better things in this game. The auction house is pretty crappy I'll say. I have never won a bid. I avoid all thhing in the AH with only bid. Steam market in most games are crappy. Steam is generally crappy actually.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 18:09

Onaraasider

In-Game Name: Onaraasider

In-Game Name: Onaraasider
Rate the Spiral knight Economic Market: 85(currently I rate 85, but when energy prices go up I change it to 65)
Rate Spiral Knight Merchants in General: 80
Rate the Auction House: 75
Rate the Spiral Knight Bazaar community: 85
Rate the Spiral Knight/Steam Market: idk, I don't use it often( if this is talking about buying energy I haven't done it ever)
Comment: Market overall is pretty good, I sell sprite food, recipes, sometimes resell orbs(for cheaper than other AH prices I do it to be nice and because I wont lose profit, im the one where u see simple orbs 1500, elite orbs 9-10k, and eternal orbs 17k[rarely ever sell these too expensive], so whenever I sell something I try to make it as cheap as I can but still getting profit to benefit others. The one thing about the economy that really annoys me is the energy prices, they are always rising and dropping, right now im satisfied because they are 6.8k(only because of the colossal prize boxes, but you think after elevators went free and ce revives were lost that it would be at 5k, but it Is always going to 8k and higher sometimes. Other wise I love our market, if AH were more consistent with the ce prices and changed along with it( because after ce drops 1-2k it should not be the same AH price for an alchemy orb).
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Fri, 01/31/2014 - 00:48

#10

Vanillateddy

Vanillascoop~!

In-Game Name: Vanillateddy
Rate the Spiral knight Economic Market: 65%
Rate Spiral Knight Merchants in General: 70-75%
Rate the Auction House: 50%
Rate the Spiral Knight Bazaar community: 95%
Rate the Spiral Knight/Steam market: 10%

Comments:

My comments will have to do with my ratings and overall impresions with anything to do with trading. the thing is as i see it the Economy fluctuated a lot before the mist removal, why is this, honestly idk, i have only noticed it has moved around less now then it had then, then again im comparing a couple months to a couple years.. the other thing is that the Energy trade kind of heavily relies on either of two things, promotions or vanaduke/tier 3 earnings. lets not beat around the bush when someone wants money n they dont wanna pay for it, they will more then likely play vana (I dont need no hipsters saying otherwise, your the 10%). almost all money is earned there, people tailor sets so they can have a nice "Date" with Vanaduke.

Merchants, your either apart of that club or your not, thats how i see it. Merchants are people who understand others needs and wants, they know how to read a book basically. Sure someone may pick up a book and learn something but unless your an elephant you wont remember it. merchants to me control the market, well not honestly but they can sway it this way or that. if something changes in our market they have bells and whistles that tell them so, they keep an eye on everything. these people are more then likely not kids.

The auction house, boy o' boy, this is probly something merchants have hated and or loved in the past couple of months, along with the supply depot, lets face it, its kind of a part of the auction house. one, after having introduced the featured auction house merchants rose up in anger over how some of thier greatest collections and money making items were basically thrown out every week to lions who eagerly awaited feeding time. now we can say we mostly have gotten used to this, feeding. but some will still despise it for giving out precious items such as gen 1 rose sets n the like, as they see it as there show of seniority or support in the game for a long time, as for me, i know who those people are, i frankly dont care. on the other hand the biggest blow was flash sales. ohohoho god did people panic, ive never seen so many people try to get rid of priceless items like i did then, of course i did buy some items off these flash sales and also soon after for the things i missed. but in all honesty i didnt see something like it coming. sure people enjoy all thier new shinies but others wish they had sold thiers sooner or even waited to buy. i mean if i think about it prismatic valk wings were very prestigious things going for 60-70 even 80+ CE at least i believe that was them. n now you can get them for what? less then 20k? it was a big strike to merchants but even worse to buyers.

Auction House Part 2
yes i needed another part, this mostly has to do with the auction house however, things like time, very long long short very short, this is the main reason I WILL NOT BUY FROM THE AH. i dont know how long something is actually going to take. i might not be on for a couple nights after the last time ive seen something. actual times would be much better not just so i know but because it would make people more patient untill the end where war will break out for an item, but thats how it should be, you dont go to a car auction not expecting someone else to bid. so sure you may have a battle at the last minute but at that time you have to be willing to throw an extra grand or to down to deter the opposing force.
As for other things ide honestly like a watch button, something that will allow me to watch the price of something or even just keep tabs on something so i can get the mony i need be it a quick energy trade or me going out to grind it all up in time. sure i said i wont buy from the AH well its a lie, I'll buy, when theres a reasonable buyout. either way I'de like to keep tabs on thing or even see the final sell price of something on the AH so i can keep it for records.
Preview, i know we got previews but the thing is i can change my costume while looking at the thing i want to preview, i first have to
eave the Ah then come back with the correct costume... why? bachemel dont care if i strip in front of 'im, why does the AH care? gimmie a better changing room...

bazar: besides not having an instant reply like ingame when on trade chat its probly the best merchant and buyers expieriance i've had.and shortest comment...

steam market: Super flawed, thats all i see when i look at the sk market on steam, recently when i went on there because i heard of steam only costumes i was like ouuuuhhh, i was very disapoint. metal wolver, god not just the fact that we need another overused pile of reskin crap, but its the most overused pile of armor too. dragon = Sexy to a point. not only is it another reskin, but its also soooooooooo cheap... .05$ really five of my pennies? i could have bought these for 5pennies. n they were selling for 30k cr and more when they were first seen. im actually really glad i dont care for marketing, my friend did though, he bought a lot of them maybe 50+ sets n guess what he sold them all, his profit well its sad honeslty he made probly 2-5 bucks each set in the beggining till he had 20 sets left then he was still making an awsome 50k cr each set and he's out of them now, in my opinion thats really flawed, but hey good for him. ohh and uhh Steam well they didnt make alot off it but they sure made OoO some money. them iron wolf tail man.

thats it? hmm i was having fun talking about things i barly know anything about... sorry bout grammer n stuff i rely to much on auto correct so when i dont have it, well my grammer sucks.

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Wed, 02/05/2014 - 16:07

#11

Hunterxxy

hihi myfriend

In-Game Name: Hunterxxy
Rate the Spiral knight Economic Market: well 50% and going Down atm ( have to adapt new systems like Promo stuff and so)
Rate Spiral Knight Merchants in General: 90% (well without merchants market would not work at all)
Rate the Auction House: 90 (because its an important intrument for ppl who dont have much time to play for example)
Rate the Spiral Knight Bazaar community: 90 (well to have several platforms to buy and sell is good for market
Rate the Spiral Knight/Steam Market: 60
Comment: Yea lets rock ur good idea of that merchant systems!!!

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Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:22

#12

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

In-Game Name: YOU KNOW MEH AND MY 2 CENTS OF RAGE!

Rate the Spiral knight Economic Market: (Score of 1 - 100. 1 = Market is Absolutely Awful/Slow; whereas, 100 = Market is Superb) 50-70, depends on who's online

Rate Spiral Knight Merchants in General: (Score of 1 - 100. 1 = Very Bad for the game. 100 = Very Good for the game.) 60-90, varies a lot depending on how old the knight is (not the person behind the knight but SK knowledge)

Rate the Auction House: (Score of 1 - 100. 1 = Not Worth Using. 100 = Very Useful) 90 if not 100. Know how to use it!! I became rich thanks to AH

Rate the Spiral Knight Bazaar community: (Score of 1 - 100. 1 = Just plain bad. 100 = Welcoming and nice.) I haven't been there much... but it looks nice... I heard Raptor-zy makes Thread there so it can't be bad...

Rate the Spiral Knight/Steam Market: (Score of 1 - 100. 1 = Terrible. 100 = Fantastic.) 1. What Steam market? the one with 5 items in it? Or are you talking about Steam trades? (regardless of the answer, it's still 1)

Comment: (Place any additional Comments here)
I don't play much SK. I left it but I have been merchanting for the past... IDK last year? I met a lot of wonderful people (like Raptor) and the core of the market is gold... once you get to know them and don't hate on them just because they have more money than you do. I think the average players won't get to go beyond the "I want this. Thanks, bye" to know who are behind those sellers and that's a shame. A lot of merchant left the game because of the choices OOO made on their own regarding SK economy. We had no power over it (Mist update changed a lot in the UV section where I don't belong and SD flash sales killed me and the accessory, usables and costume part of the SK economy). To take over a 50% loss ratio and having bought items 30k ce and 3m cr to see them at 7k ce is sickening. The biggest slap a dev has ever done to me (and probly ever will. Diablo III was a joke but it was made by a RTS guy, which explains a lot of thing).

A lot of older player still hang around Haven 1 and 4 but I see a lot of them on other games... Since I have them on my Steam friend list ^ ^ But we all come once in a while to check on SK and hope that someday we will enjoy ourself again... Someday... Somehow... we hope the game won't die because we love it. But... I have come to the fact that SK won't change and that there is nothing we can do about it. Maybe they will fix it? But for me I put SK on hold and are having fun with Loadout.

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Wed, 02/05/2014 - 18:52

#13

Pawsmack

In-Game Name: PawsmackSpiral

In-Game Name: Pawsmack

Spiral Knights Economic Market Rating: 60

Spiral Knights Merchants in General Rating: 70

Auction House Rating: 75

Spiral Knights Bazzar Community Rating: 60

Spiral Knights/Steam Market Rating: 30

Comments: I'm not much of a merchant (i don't keep up well with prices, not so sure what sells and what doesn't, etc.) but I do know a thing or two about the game's economy and the community that works with it.

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Wed, 02/05/2014 - 21:29

#14

Fayeth

IGN: Fayeth Spiral Knights's

IGN: Fayeth
Spiral Knights's Economic Market Rating: 70%
Spiral Knight's Merchants Rating: 80%
Auction House Rating: 60%
Spiral Knights's Bazaar Community Rating: 80%
Spiral Knight's Steam Market Rating: 30%
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Comments:
Contrary to most comments on this page, l think the recent chain of events that has occurred has actually made it easier for starting and/or aspiring merchants to develop their skill set in the area. Everyone's been complaining that the release of the flash sale items, Rose Regalia Sets, etc etc, has destroyed the economy, however, l find this to be more or less false. How many people had a pair of Prismatic Dragon Wings before they were released to the public through the Supply Depot? Volcanic Valkyrie Wings? Divine Side Blades? Prismatic Parrying Blades? Maybe twenty people out of the thousands of players that play this game. I find it hard to believe that the economy was destroyed because items that 1-2% of the general population had were released for 1000 CE or 5000 CE or whatever. Same goes for the Rose Regalia Sets, maybe ten people in the entire game had a White Rose Set, yet people say releasing them destroyed the market. That's basically saying releasing a rare costume set that practically no one had, destroyed the market, which doesn't make much sense if you ask me, that would be the same as saying making new 1-2% items for a new promotional prize box (such as the most recent Baleful Aura) is destroying the market, because no one has them, same as the accessories that were released through the flash sales. Bottom line, l don't know why people are saying the release of certain items destroyed the economy when those very people never had them in the first place.

On the contrary however, l think the release of these accessories makes it easier for everyone really, not just merchants, to make some easy profit. It's as simple as acquiring say a Hacked Aura which cost 15000 CE, and reselling it for 18000 CE. It doesn't take being a veteran merchant, or even an amateur merchant to do that. I've made nearly 900000 CE over the past three months, 868595 CE in three months and two weeks to be exact. This was all since the economy had been in it's 'destroyed' state. I can name several more merchants who have made several hundred thousand CE, all after the economy being 'destroyed'. If the economy had truly been destroyed l don't think anyone would be making any money.

The Auction House can be useful for newer, less experienced merchants as it allows them to start off with small items such as materials, rarities, and work their way up to the bigger things such as UV'ed pieces and the more rarer accessories as they gain experience of the market. Personally l used the Auction House exclusively for two years before l expanded the way l operate as a merchant but l noticed that many items that wouldn't sell when advertised on Trade Chat, sold, sometimes for a very nice price too, when put up on auction. At the same time, it can be a good way of grabbing deals or items you're specifically after for cheaper then average prices, for anyone and everyone, not just merchants. Most of the amazing deals l've ever gotten were from the Auction House, people who mistype and leave out digits, or people who just don't know prices. There's plenty of that in the Auction House, all you need to do is put in the effort and look regularly, anyone can do that. There's no point saying the Auction House isn't a useful tool to a merchant or the regular player, if you only take a look once a week and skim through it instead of taking the time to go through its contents carefully, and regularly.

The Bazaar Community, can be useful but intimidating to newer merchants afraid they'll make a fool of themselves by overpricing or underpricing items (the Auction House is a very useful aid for cases like these). To the average player however, this can be just another Trade Chat or Auction House. Some people check the Bazaar only or check it more often then Trade Chat or the Auction House so advertising items on both the forums and in-game can potentially increase chances of selling.

The Steam Market overall has a diminished part on the economy of the game, being used mostly to just trade games in the Steam Store for Spiral Knights currency. Overall useless to the average player who plays Spiral Knights for..well, Spiral Knights.

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