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A way to Improve Forum Standards set by OOO

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Sun, 02/02/2014 - 06:00
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta

Hi

You all must know me by now. I'm either loved or hated for the things I say on this forum. I always try to remain fair and although I may upset some people I do it to try and make this forum a better place. So I thought to myself. Seriously now, there must be a better way to improve things around here. Different people have obviously different opinions, especially when it comes to this concept of 'freedom of speech'.

So lets test this freedom of speech concept that you all hold so personal on here. I propose a new system where it is easier to report members of this forum. Just how steam does it. In the top right of every post there is a new option to flag that post as a violation of the rules set by 000s. Once clicked the reporter types up the reason why they feel this person is breaking the rules. The report then gets sent to 000s where they can see who the repeated offenders are. This system works very well on the steam forum. I know this because I am a moderator there.

Another system to be added to this one is a system that allows a GM/CM of 000s to add a warning point next to the name of a person they feel has violated the rules. That warning point remains, after 3 warning points that player is permanently banned. We as players have no say in this system, only GM/CMs are in control. I know this system works to prevent repeated offenders because again I moderate on another site where this system is very popular.

Apart from the things I have proposed above, here are the benefits of having such a system in place.

1. Easier, quicker way of reporting offenders. No need to mail 000s everytime. This will be a separate system where all reports are sent to 000s. Or like on the steam forum. It is sent to a separate sub forum that only moderators can access. Essentially they are similar to threads. Every time a player reports the same player in violation, their report gets added to the original reported thread as if it were a comment.
2. No need to respond to the offender if you have already voiced your concern in the report.
3. As a result less bickering, insulting, arguing.
4. No more 'pointless' threads. You have already expressed your concern by submitting a player report. So you don't need to satisfy yourself by creating a new thread expressing your concern about how things are currently.
5. Encourages players to play a more pro active role in making our forum a friendlier place. I see a lot of people trying to back seat moderate. Trying to enforce the rules that aren't even in the rules provided by 000s. This way people can report an offending player by referring to a certain rule that was broken in the Official rules. All without seeming they are the law. As their report is submitted to an actual moderator. There is no player to player interaction when someone reports an offender.
6. Everyone is now under the law. There are no exceptions. You break a rule, you are reported. You don't get away with it. There is no cheeky remark and then say what ever you want to say. Now everything you say that is in violation of the rules can easily be flagged and a small history of your offences is built up.

I hope 000s thinks very seriously about what I propose. A lot of other sites use what I am suggesting. I know 100% it works and it keeps people from violating the rules or by acting above the law. If anyone would like to share their own view on this please do. I look forward to your comments.

Kind Regards

AKD

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 06:05
#1
Feyi-Feyi's picture
Feyi-Feyi

I propose the following: every time you report someone like that and the GM/CM deems it not a suitable complaint, you get a complaint yourself.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 06:17
#2
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Feyi-Feyi

That is up to the the judgement of the ones in charge who are moderating. On the steam forum every report made is looked at. We then decide if a violation has been made and resolve that situation. If we find someone is abusing the report function appropriate action is taken to resolve that situation as well. It's all a structured process and it makes the forum run smoothly. As long as the moderators are committed to making the forum a safer and friendly environment.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 06:44
#3
Mystrian's picture
Mystrian
Curious about the warning points.

Woud this also count towards in-game violations like?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 07:39
#4
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Mystrian

No. In game reporting is so much better than the forums. That system is very well done and tbh I don't spend a lot of time in haven, so I rarely use it. But when ever I have the knight breaking rules just popped out of existence instantly.

But the possibility of adding something similar like this to in game is always open to 000s should they decide to go ahead with it.

Warning points accumulate only on the forum. If you get a warning point it will be visible to all like this

Spiralknight1

warning pts: 1 (in small font, directly under the players name in white or something)

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 07:14
#5
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Zaffy-Laffy

Well, if people have different opinions, then it all boils down to how to coerce between these people with radical ideologies. It's like how Christians and Atheists should just ignore one another, and let it be that way, but the only thing that is unacceptable by both parties itself will be indoctrination and forcing others to accept their own opinions.

This gray zone is just what needs to be taken care of so that both parties will be able to converse with one another.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 07:23
#6
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Zaffy-Laffy

On a forum it is very difficult to ignore someone. If it was as easy as you say it is, there will never be a situation where bitter words are exchanged. By reporting the offending player you effectively have ignored what they have said by submitting your concern to an Official. So effectively you are avoiding the situation of making your voice heard on the forum in retaliation to someone who has upset you.

The best way is the way I propose because I am involved with it daily. I know it works as long as the moderator is willing to take the time to improve things. I don't get paid for moderating, people who do get paid will obviously take it even more seriously. So there shouldn't be a problem with our CM/GMs on here.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 07:27
#7
Rating's picture
Rating
+1 to Feyi's addition to this

+1 to Feyi's addition to this suggestion

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 08:05
#8
Chromosver's picture
Chromosver

Sorry to say this but OOO has a small team, blah blah etc. They have better things to do than put more work in this here forum.

And sadly, leaving a shadow copy in the General Discussions will just result in having more people comment on this. Just comments. Even if you submit a persuasive proposal it won't change the facts. But hey, at least you said something, right?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 08:23
#9
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Chromosver

That is no excuse. And frankly non of your concern. I moderate for an even smaller company who have made a very successful game on the steam forum. Everything takes effort and time. Once this gets added this will 100% guarantee to save up time for our GM/CM when going through reports made through email, as is now.

The forum is a very important place for people, just as important as the game itself. A lot of people use the forum to discuss things than they wouldn't in game. Just as an effective reporting system is in place in game, one must be added to the forum. It is a must and no1 who wants this forum improved can deny that.

Thanks for your feedback though.

Regards.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 08:28
#10
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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So, you're still going on about that without actually saying it, because all your other threads were locked?
And what Chromo said is completely accurate. OOO doesn't have many staff members and don't need to worry about moderating the forum. Do you really think they'll moderate a forum that still uses HTML?! No! You can easily tell what OOO does and doesn't care about. They don't care about: LD (The rev timer is still weird.), BN (When was the last update to that?), the forums (HTML. Ummm.). They do care about: Promos (90% of all updates are promos nowadays).

How is it hard to ignore someone on the forums? Don't click their thread or read their post. Nobody forced you to.

Tbh, since this is entirely just about certain language you don't like... coughcough... just ask for something sensible - a system like the chat filters in-game that block "offensive language" (Why do bad words even exist?) and are turned on by default - but can be turned off in the forum preferences section. That way, people can keep on with their minor infractions and you can go LALALALALALA.

If you find the forums so offensive, in addition to the fact that they will not change, how about you just vacate them? They do not add anything to the game.

TL;DR: Stop beating a dead horse.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 08:34
#11
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Mushy-Bucket

So, you're still going on about that without actually saying it, because all your other threads were locked?
And what Chromo said is completely accurate. OOO doesn't have many staff members and don't need to worry about moderating the forum. Do you really think they'll moderate a forum that still uses HTML?! No! You can easily tell what OOO does and doesn't care about. They don't care about: LD (The rev timer is still weird.), BN (When was the last update to that?), the forums (HTML. Ummm.). They do care about: Promos (90% of all updates are promos nowadays).
How is it hard to ignore someone on the forums? Don't click their thread or read their post. Nobody forced you to.
Tbh, since this is entirely just about certain language you don't like... coughcough... just ask for something sensible - a system like the chat filters in-game that block "offensive language" (Why do bad words even exist?) and are turned on by default - but can be turned off in the forum preferences section. That way, people can keep on with their minor infractions and you can go LALALALALALA.
If you find the forums so offensive, in addition to the fact that they will not change, how about you just vacate them? They do not add anything to the game.
TL;DR: Stop beating a dead horse.

Appreciate your response. 000s will decide if they feel this needs to be added. Not you. But again thank you for taking the time to suggest why you feel it is not a good idea.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 08:29
#12
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato
What's with the Shadow Copy

What's with the Shadow Copy in the General Discussion?

Oh, and perma bans won't stop many people. They'll just make other accounts. If you IP ban them, you'll have siblings crying that their stupid brother/sister/aunt's third cousin who's actually a spotted leopard cheetah was the cause of everything, and there's no way to prove either way. 6 is thus only marginally effective at deterring people, and so is 4 for the same reason.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 08:35
#13
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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The Shadow copy is because he wants as much attention as possible.
That's the only reason you leave one anyway - the option should be removed.

Good luck getting this implemented with OOO going "how internet?"

Why do you want these forums to become a hardened police state? That's no fun at all.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 08:39
#14
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

Why do bad words even exist?

This is just...what.

Alright, lemme start.

Your definition of "bad words" stems from mothers telling their children "oh now, please don't say the word rhyming with snitch ever". People I encounter who abhor these said words often just want to follow whatever their parents told them to do. I'm not saying that you're one of them, but many people who share your views on cursing do just that.

By the way, note that a game is affected by its community, and many teens play this game. Still sure about the "we can stop the cursing" shtick?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 08:40
#15
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Sandwich-Potato

I have never had this problem raised before, from someone who was perma banned. Obviously if the person makes an alt and violates the rules again. The new account will be banned. It hasn't been a problem that 1 person can't handle. I for one am fully aware of what you are saying.

Thanks for your comment.

Regards.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 09:12
#16
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Feyi-Feyi
5. Encourages players to play

5. Encourages players to play a more pro active role in making our forum a friendlier place. I see a lot of people trying to back seat moderate. Trying to enforce the rules that aren't even in the rules provided by 000s. This way people can report an offending player by referring to a certain rule that was broken in the Official rules. All without seeming they are the law.

This is what you're trying to do. You're trying to backseat moderate.
You are now even asking for a system that accommodates your backseat moderating.

6. Everyone is now under the law. There are no exceptions. You break a rule, you are reported. You don't get away with it. There is no cheeky remark and then say what ever you want to say. Now everything you say that is in violation of the rules can easily be flagged and a small history of your offences is built up.

You said that a lot yesterday. We are not above the law.
You just can't handle the fact that the law didn't deem you in your right

Could you please realize you're the one causing a ruckus here?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 09:49
#17
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Feyi-Feyi

I think you're very confused.

Back seat moderating in short is when someone uses the rules to get someone to do what they see is right. They are enforcing the rules on someone when that is the job of a moderator. I am fully aware that this happens because again I have a lot of experience in this area as a moderator.

My method is nothing new, it is used in many public forums, I want it added here. It enforces the rules through a reporting system. We don't tell people how to behave using the rules, there is no communication between the offender and the person reporting. Have you never used any other forum except 000s? Please do some research into this then comment.

What makes you think I am referring to you when I say 'some people are above the law' do you have an inferiority complex towards me? I am speaking in general and it doesn't take a genius to see how bad things are. Honestly no offence to you, you come off as someone mature. But in general this place is like a play ground full of wild children.

Lol this system will even stop me from having to voice my concern publicly. So I'm doing you a favour.

This system is nothing new. I don't see how a system that is in place at many public forums that ensures a forum runs smoothly without or very little bickering is bad thing?

If you are still a little confused I'm more than happy to help.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 09:49
#18
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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"Lol this system will even stop me from having to voice my concern publicly."
I'm hoping that when you realize this won't be added, you won't "have" to keep trying to force whatever Steam uses on the SK site. FYI, some people don't like Steam.

Your logic is faulty. Making a new account means that nobody will notice. If I got banned on the forums, what's stopping me from making an account called "Squishy?" Who would know?

"3. As a result less bickering, insulting, arguing."
Um, your threads have caused more of that than I've seen in a while.

<69

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 09:54
#19
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Zaffy-Laffy

Can you please not refer to your experience of this so called moderating job of yours to belittle others. Do not try to claim yourself as more superior than others because you have this so called profession. I don't think the system is flawed, I think the system is more reliant on self-censoring rather than deterrence and punishment. The game is not so popular to the extent that it attracts atrocious trolls and annoying netizens.

By observation, people generalize that people who uses vulgarities or more likely to whine and rant are usually the younger generation, we call them 10 year olds... If you are suggesting how immature we as a forum has become, we think you have to rescope on the younger generation, which I see little to none in this here forums.

I don't think the forums is littered at all, it is still very organized and up to our standards. We conduct a lot of funny threads, or serious discussions, but we don't really experience a lot of problems. Moderating isn't about enforcing the rules, it is about ensuring fluidity while not sacrificing people's freedom of expression. We use the rules as a basic guideline. Just because something is against the rules doesn't mean it is wrong, there are always exceptions. And just because something is within the guidelines doesn't mean it isn't annoying or irritating.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 09:52
#20
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Mushy-Bucket

Generally speaking people do come back using alts. But they normally learn their lesson and respect the decision why they were banned. I haven't had an issue where I found out the same person came back after being perma banned. But if you did come back as 'squishy' and you broke 000s rules as 'squishy' then you will get reported through the new system and 000s take action again.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 09:58
#21
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Zaffy-Laffy

Again that is your opinion. I appreciate your concern and input. I was told by Hyperion that my suggestion will definitely be looked at and even refined if accepted, as are all suggestion made on this forum. So ultimately a member of 000s will see what I am suggesting and who is for and against my suggestion. It's no big deal. I don't decide if this gets added. I want it to. But that is again up to 000s.

Regards.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 09:58
#22
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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There you go again, ignoring parts of a post you can't come up with a half-decent comeback for.
Zaffy sums it up perfectly.
<69

Also, it's worth mentioning that you have shown no proof that you are a moderator at Steam. You could just be a power-hungry fool who's dieing to backseat moderate.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:01
#23
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Mushy-Bucket

I prefer not to discuss things in the past. It's counter productive to what I am suggesting here and now.

Edit: I have submitted proof to 000s via email. I don't need to prove anything to anyone except them.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:07
#24
Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy

To add on, just look at your cause. You are trying to protect the younger generation from vulgarities, sexual slangs and what not. But face it, the ones you are trying to protect are exactly the ones who are using them, and immaturely so. What I wanted to say in your previous thread was how we need to teach maturity to the younger generation, not protect them from such, because no matter what, they will be curious enough to learn them.

That's when the concept of self censoring comes up. Maturity teaches us to self censor, ensure that we don't go over our heads while conversing on a public platform such as this. We understand not everyone accepts words that are very extreme, therefore we don't say it. Sometimes we say it inconspicuously, people who understand it laugh it off, and people who don't don't.

Eventually, I still stand to my point of free speech and everything else I have stated. In other threads, I won't judge you based on what you say here. No one else cares too, you are free to come back to us. Good Night.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:06
#25
Bleyken's picture
Bleyken

-1 I like insulting people on the forums and I don't wanna get banned.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:10
#26
Feyi-Feyi's picture
Feyi-Feyi

I'm done here.
There is no reasoning possible when you deny all arguments made and only respond in ways that benefit you.
Sort your issues out with OOO, although I think they've made it very clear where they stand on the issue.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:24
#27
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Zaffy-Laffy

I respect your opinion. But the way I have suggested removes the player who is in violation so that clears up everything you say. Once that person is gone the forum will automatically start to be a safer/friendlier and more pro active place.

I have no idea what you mean 'you are free to come back to us'

I'm not here to make a fan club, I enjoy playing this game and I also want to enjoy posting in this forum. I'm not a child who cares about popularity on a game forum dominated by young children and teenagers, I out grew that phase years ago. I like to be fair and I respect those who show respect to others.

Disregarding everything that has gone on yesterday, as you all believe that is the only reason I made this thread (you're wrong) moving forward this suggestion will definitely 100% make this forum more friendly and more open for people to discuss what they want.

Goodnight

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:20
#28
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Feyi-Feyi

Thanks for your input.

Regards.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:23
#29
Pepperonius's picture
Pepperonius
For just a moment, I'm going to answer this as if anyone else

had made this suggestions, because I'm actually in favor of this idea. Just because I know why you suggested it doesn't mean the idea doesn't have validity. To my confreres in EoS, the spirit behind the suggestion is what you don't like, not the suggestion itself. May I suggest looking at this one objectively, and seeing that yeah, actually, this isn't a terribad idea on it's own.

There are some people that are generally terrible on the forums, and although I feel like we as a group do a decent job helping the mods police this place, occasionally one slips through. This would work like Reddit, notifying of posts someone considers inappropriate. As Feyi initially suggested though, abusers of this system should also get those tags.

Now, one thing to note about this particular forum board.

My understanding of Drupal is it is very limited in what can and can't be implemented. While your system has merit, I don't think it is something they team could legitimately add to this. They would have to migrate over to phpbb or another one of those forum styles to implement, and it's been stated (somewhere, i can't be bucketed to look it up) that there is a reason it's on drupal.

So, in closing, I'm ok with the suggestion, so long as the oversensitive report spammers get the same treatment as the rule breakers.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:33
#30
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Perronius

Agreed. Feyi-Feyi idea is definitely a worthy suggestion. The same thing is in place at another forum I moderate in.

Thanks for you suggestion. I don't expect this to just suddenly come up in the next days, weeks, months. Even if it takes a year I don't mind. But as you are implying the idea shouldn't be hated on because you believe I made it in spite of a few people, the idea itself is worthy because it is an improvement. My aim like many others should be to improve the reporting system to stop people doing what they do now.

Regards.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:35
#31
Retequizzle's picture
Retequizzle
There is no reasoning

There is no reasoning possible when you deny all arguments made and only respond in ways that benefit you.

didn't i point this out like 5 threads ago when the content was pretty much arguing for the same thing - people getting banned for essentially not adhering to some church nun rules

it's also cute how we're citing moderating experience like that lends credibility to, well, anything - it's not difficult babysitting a steam group

anyway i guess this is where i say why this is a bad idea

-1 to the suggestion, there's absolutely no way listed to differentiate between different types of "warnings", such as spam vs inflammatory content, and as such there's no differentiation between severity of supposed infractions, such as spam vs inflammatory content; the warning system you're suggesting is subjective in a variety of ways from the user's perspective as well since you mention nothing about a "statute of limitations" for lack of a better term, i.e. we can go back two years and report everything *insert person here* has done and they will be banned because the ToS doesn't limit scope of time, and as such would basically tie a moderator's hands in terms of their own interpretation with your current wording, there's no repercussions being instated for people who mash the report button incessantly hoping for something to be done in their favor, and lastly there's no timeframe in which these violations will remain on a record, so if i do something today and then a year from now, that's two warnings, completely ignoring the fact that during that year span, i could have been a choir boy in terms of behavior.

and that's just a quick dusting over of what's been posted so far, i haven't bothered with the fine-tooth comb since i can just sweep everything with a broom and get this much dirt out of it

you're welcome.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:42
#32
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Retequizzle

You say that because it is obvious you have no experience in moderating, if you did you would know your reasoning is desperately flawed. If what you are suggesting is a flaw and a common issue that only you know of, then no other public forum run by game developers in the history of the internet will have a reporting system implemented. You have to remember the forum is for the kids, the moderating part is for the adults. I'm sure an adult can differentiate between the two things you have suggested is a concern.

Again that is not for you to worry about. You won't be moderating thank god.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:44
#33
Retequizzle's picture
Retequizzle

on a completely related point to the OP but not to the -1, you could just suggest the transition from drupal forum software to pretty much anything else (vBulletin, IPB, several others) that come with this already built into the ACP and MCP, and then anyone with a shiny badge can work with it themselves

ironically i have more experience moderating and running a forum than you probably care to know about - the only difference is i don't go touting it like it makes my opinion worth any more than someone else's. the point i'm making is that the ToS for a forum is meant to be interpreted to a certain extent by the moderator following up on the report - following it to the letter is the equivalent of taking any kind of thought process behind the moderating aspect out of it, and also limits the scope of interaction the moderators have with the players to the point that we have the complaints of "OOO doesn't care enough to listen"

if you can explain to me how alienating what little participation the staff already has with the userbase will better the community without lambasting my opinion because it doesn't line up with your own, then sure i'll concede the point

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:41
#34
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Retequizzle

on a completely related point to the OP but not to the -1, you could just suggest the transition from drupal forum software to pretty much anything else (vBulletin, IPB, several others) that come with this already built into the ACP and MCP, and then anyone with a shiny badge can work with it themselves

You just suggested it.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:44
#35
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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Well, I'm done.
I agree with what Feyi said. You don't respond to any criticism, constructive or otherwise, and you fail to see anything from any perspective but your own.

Trololo, of course I'm not done.
There's too many juicy flaws to point out in your idea - though most of them already have been, and you just ignored it because you know you're right - and don't care what anybody thinks.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:43
#36
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Mushy-Bucket

Thanks for your input.

Regards.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:44
#37
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
@Mushy-Bucket: Everyone

@Mushy-Bucket: Everyone always fails to see any perspective other than their own. Especially on these forums as I've noticed.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:46
#38
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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He's exceptional at it.
He doesn't even reply to constructive criticism.
"Thanks for your input that I ignored because it invalidated my holy idea"

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:47
#39
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
@Mushy-Bucket: And if you had

@Mushy-Bucket: And if you had your own idea with experiences, you wouldn't reply to "constructive criticism" if you felt it was faulty as well.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:48
#40
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Sleepy-Hollows

I see you as someone who definitely wants improvement. But as you said to me yesterday, it's best not to respond to negative comments, it just makes things worse. I would prefer this thread not to get locked by a moderator because of arguing. So please Sleepy-Hollows don't encourage people to do just that.

Do you like this idea? If not, do you have a way of improving on it?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:48
#41
Retequizzle's picture
Retequizzle

You won't be moderating thank god.

and this is the sort of thing that makes me genuinely wonder how you're qualified to manage anything, considering you can't even manage your own thread without sinking into personal insults - you acknowledge nothing that contradicts your own views and when you legitimately can't come up with something intelligent, you decide this is the better course of action

so you're right, let's +1 this suggestion solely so you can see why it's a bad idea; i mean you should practice what you preach, no?

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:52
#42
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Retequizzle

It's a joke. Sorry if I don't come across as the humorous sort (that's sarcasm)

Thanks for your input though. Hopefully 000s reads it.

Regards.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:57
#43
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
@Arcknightdelta: I'm rather

@Arcknightdelta: I'm rather indifferent on the format of the forums and it's mechanics, actually. I prefer to see improvement in the quality of the community, however. That's also not exactly what I said. I said you were letting your emotions show yesterday. If the best way to be neutral on a loaded conversation is to remain mute, then that's what should be done. If you can conceal your emotions and still maintain your composure, then maybe you can test the waters. What I was trying to tell Mushy-Bucket is that he shouldn't be attacking you for not seeing another perspective because everyone else is doing it too. Basically he only said it because he is emotionally involved.

Again, I'm neutral on this idea.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 11:10
#44
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Sleepy-Hollows

Apologies then. Trying to do paper work, watch t.v. and respond to comments here is getting tough, but that's life =)

Honestly it doesn't bother me. I feel as though this will impact positively so naturally I will defend my suggestion. But I am technically not defending my suggestion, because I didn't invent it. Rather a system that is being used else where, that I am involved and experienced in using, that I feel should be added here to 'improve' the community. Hope that makes sense.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 11:19
#45
Feyi-Feyi's picture
Feyi-Feyi

@Perro:

It's actually the suggestion itself I don't support.
If I'm honest, I don't believe this community can handle it.

There might be 1% of people that know the ToS enough to adequately know when and when not to report things,
and that doesn't even take into account the difference between the letter and intent of the law.

It would also lead to people singling out individuals they dislike, where they just wait/push for them to make a mistake.
I don't support the atmosphere it would create.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 11:36
#46
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
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What Feyi said is precisely right.
It would lead to a more hostile environment where people are out to get you, and the forums would be of no enjoyment.

"But as you said to me yesterday, it's best not to respond to negative comments"
By your logic, I bet that includes constructive criticism. Any person who moderates communities (Proof? You making it out like it's not our business makes it seem even more likely that what you said is untrue.) should know that constructive criticism is important - it helps you perfect and improve an idea, and can also help win support if you respond to the criticism.
Basically, you're ignoring inquiries about the idea, and also come across as not caring what the rest of us think. Get out of your shell.

I really don't even see what the big deal is, the forums here are surprisingly clean. There are the people who use <69 regularly, but most people aren't offended, and there aren't that many who use it all the time. Curse words fly occasionally, but they are usually light, and yet again, most people don't really care about it. I can understand how some people may be offended by such "language," but they are not the majority - they need to learn to cope with life.

Nonetheless, most of the argument here is not needed, because this won't be added. Drupal doesn't support it. Who would implement it? Even if they did, the staff is so small, they could never keep up with all the troll-reports and legit reports.

The system is also too subjective. There are people who don't care at all, and there are people who think crap or darn are bad words.

I have a legitimate inquiry for you (which has to do with all of the recent threads overall), too... Seeing as you claim to be an adult, how could possibly have not known what <69 was?

I know I'm typing at a brick wall that won't respond to any of the constructive criticism, but maybe someone else will.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 11:42
#47
Arcknightdelta's picture
Arcknightdelta
@ Mushy-Bucket

This idea has very little relevance to yesterdays events. Please stop bringing up past events. Thanks.

This will stop all forms of rule breaking. Please don't tell me no rule breaking goes on in this forum. Yes we can report offenders via email. But the way I have suggested is better for the reasons I stated.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 11:48
#48
Vesperaldus's picture
Vesperaldus
@Mushy-Bucket: Arcknight is

@Mushy-Bucket: Arcknight is speaking from experience that this system works. You are trying to tell him that it doesn't yet he has first hand experience that it does. Whether you are right or not, it seems as if he has more credentials in this area than you do. Do you or Feyi have first hand experience with a community and the mechanic he is suggesting?

Also, I do think you all should drop your emotions from yesterday and stop trying to shoot the idea down simply because of yesterday. Even if it is connected, have some decency.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 12:33
#49
Chilltheshadow
Oh hai dere.

This... actually would work. From what I am seeing, when people say Arcknightdelta is only seeing things from his side, they at the same time are doing the same, looking at only the negatives when this idea has some decent potenta-
/me is shot in the face.
Sorry. I will go now.

Sun, 02/02/2014 - 12:46
#50
Mushy-Bucket's picture
Mushy-Bucket
@Sleepy-Hollows

He hasn't proved anything yet. He could just be a hobo that hacked somebody's computer to post this, much less a Steam mod.

"This will stop all forms of rule breaking. Please don't tell me no rule breaking goes on in this forum."
I plainly said that there IS rulebreaking here. Re-read the post. I simply said that most people here don't care about language, and seeing as it usually light, the staff hasn't given it much notice either.

You're not acting like a professional moderator in the way that you hide from anything that could possibly degrade your argument.

"Also, I do think you all should drop your emotions from yesterday and stop trying to shoot the idea down simply because of yesterday. Even if it is connected, have some decency."
It's completely connected to yesterday. He doesn't seem to see that the staff in fact does not seem to take much interest in these ideas, seeing as they locked and graveyarded all the previous threads, and gave him the relatively standard E-mail about suggestions.

Basically, he just doesn't seem to want to accept that:
A. The community generally is not in support of this
B. This is not feasible. There is no way they can set a full site up again on a different provider besides Drupal - they have no web designer.

My honest recommendation to you, Arc, is that if you love moderating oh so much, go do it on Steam, where you're supposedly a mod.

Now then, I await a response that ignores 90% of my post.

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