Does anyone know if the charge attacks on Triglav/Suda/FoV are stronger than the blitz on Vana's mask?
Triglav/Suda vs Blitz vs FoV on Water Mask
Fri, 03/14/2014 - 16:31
Fri, 03/14/2014 - 16:44
#2
I was hoping to hear
I was hoping to hear differently, but thanks for setting me straight.
Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:01
#3
FoV does 4 hits with a charge
FoV does 4 hits with a charge attack though,
Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:03
#4
"FoV does 4 hits with a charge attack though,"
Actually, no. It does 3. That fourth hit is from a flash charge (caused by changes in ASI).
Look at the buffs.
Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:07
#5
This is the 2nd picture I
This is the 2nd picture I took at nearly the same time, I think this is the flash charge you are talking about:
Fri, 03/14/2014 - 17:39
#6
Fri, 03/14/2014 - 19:16
#7
The 4-hits with Fang of Vog
The 4-hits with Fang of Vog has been around before sprites and ASI buffs were implemented.
I don't know how to proc it consistently.
Doesn't Vana Mask resist piercing/elemental slightly? 15*112 = 1608 damage. Triglav two hits is about 1200 damage at Vana depth. Fang's pretty high but hurts you, especially when running chaos and max sword damage, with the fire to top it off. Free water balls, right? Should be a good choice? Still going to get the initial self-damage at the very least.
Sat, 03/15/2014 - 03:42
#8
I dont know what you mean by
I dont know what you mean by getting FoV's 4 hits cosistently, I always get 4 hits when the target cant be knocked back like vana, his mask or a trojan. Lumbers or almirian crusaders take only 2 or so because of knockback, but thats no big deal because they have less hp (need shadow cloak in a 4 man team though).
Sat, 03/15/2014 - 08:58
#9
@Parasthesia
Either walk right up to a stationary enemy and Auto-Target with FoV charge, or walk right up and aim slightly to the right(unsure, I use my FoV for it's extended range on the 2nd and 3rd strikes).
Aiming to the right of a non-stationary enemy with LHB(or Levi) while close up can give you consistent 2 hits compared to 1 hit if you used Auto-Target.(There is a way to get 3 hits on non-stationary enemies with the LHB, but requires for you to aim at the border between 1 hit and 2 hits, and it's better to try for consistent 2 hits than a pretty low chance for 3)
Sat, 03/15/2014 - 16:53
#10
Y'know what the great thing is?
I got a pepperbox, thinking that it would do good damage against vana's mask due it normal damage
Blitz still does more damage even though the mask has piercing resistance - and you can't even say that the status from pepperbox is worth anything in FSC.
To be honest the knockback is more than enough to cancel out any extra damage that the pepperbox gets via fire, and Blitz can also get more damage because it's a special damage type. Pepperbox should do the same amount of damage as blitz, if not then nearly the same.
EDIT: I used to try Khorovod on the mask. It really doesn't work.
Sat, 03/15/2014 - 17:17
#11
"Pepperbox should do the same
"Pepperbox should do the same amount of damage as blitz, if not then nearly the same."
Erm, no. Blitz should be nerfed to do a small percentage more than Pepperbox.
Volcanic Pepperbox is pretty powerful as it currently is, almost on the verge of being overpowered. The only reason people don't complain about it is because Blitz exists, and Blitz is so much more powerful than it that it's not even fair.
Even if we buffed VPB to do the same damage as neutral Blitz, it would just be overpowered because it would literally be a long-range Fang of Vog that is easier to hit with all hits, and doesn't set you on fire. Either way, we're just making new problems, and not fixing the old ones (that being that Blitz is overpowered).
Sun, 03/16/2014 - 01:32
#12
@Dibsville
Volcanic Pepperbox is pretty powerful as it currently is, almost on the verge of being overpowered. The only reason people don't complain about it is because Blitz exists, and Blitz is so much more powerful than it that it's not even fair.
The imbalance of one weapon does not excuse the imbalance of another. Even if Blitz is super OP, there's no reason to say that VPB isn't OP. VPB has mostly the same abilities as Blitz in terms of damaging stuff. The only major difference is that you might not always be able to kill Trojans in one charge but the fire can often finish them either way. As a plus, VPB can slaughter RT and JK.
Sun, 03/16/2014 - 06:17
#13
Ok, yes, Pepperbox is pretty powerful. But blitz really is overpowered to hell too, along with brandishes.
It takes 2 Pepperbox charges to kill a trojan - same for lumbers. Because a Pepperbox does normal damage, you'll never be able to get the one-charge kills that you can with blitz.
If Pepperboxes did elemental damage instead of normal, then I'd be happy as anything. Sure I wouldn't be able to sue it on oilers any more, but it was never meant for that anyway. Despite how effective it is at doing that.
I've only ever seen 3 other people using a Pepperbox - in contrast to the seemingly endless amount of people with Blitzes. Hell, people even bring Blitzes to Wolver dens. I laugh at them when the Wolvers burrow behind them and bite when they're reloading, and then turn around and smash the wolver that tried to burrow behind me halfway across the level with a Suda swing.
But back on topic - I've seen a few people use DVS on the mask, it seems to work quite well if you can get a charge in then spam click.
First off, Sudaruska and Triglav only do about 1k damage normally, Fang of Vog does about double that if all three attacks hit. Blitz does over 4k damage normally.
I have personally never gotten to smoosh Vana with my Triglav, but I do 112 per shot against with with Level 7 Blitz + Chaos. This alone is significantly more than Suda/Trig could do against a normal enemy, and I'm assuming they do less against the mask.
Fang of Vog does less damage than Blitz, plus sets you on fire.